8.15 - Infamous - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[SV Fan]

He made a decision to finally tell Lana everything before he knew that she had seen him use his abilities and had assumed he was meteor-infected. Actually, he voluntarily told her twice - first in Reckoning, when he also proposed; and again in Phantom.

It always bugged me in early Seasons, why Clark just didn't tell Lana he was a meteor freak(but not an alien). Just think of how many hassles he would have saved himself and how much angst the viewer at home would have been saved.

 

[mellyM]

It always bugged me in early Seasons, why Clark just didn't tell Lana he was a meteor freak(but not an alien). Just think of how many hassles he would have saved himself and how much angst the viewer at home would have been saved.

He didn't have to tell her until he wanted to.

 

[SV Fan]

He didn't have to tell her until he wanted to.

He was always scared telling her he was an alien though. The thing is his secret has 2 parts(the powers and him being an alien). If he told her part 1 of the secret then the angst would have been gone because him being a MF is a very plausible to explain what was going on.

If he told her he was a MF, boom that would end alot of the angsty storylines(although that's probably why the producers didn't make him reveal part 1 of the secret, they seem to enjoy the non stop melodrama storylines)

 

[Webhead2006]

yea so true though hopefully the rest of the season will get back to where we where at bride/legion.

 

[RagingTempest]

It's sad that the writers have to promote "Infamous" like it will be a cure to the Lana arc after "Power" and "Requiem". I had no problem with the Lana arc at first. "Bride" and "Legion" were some of the best episodes from the series. "Bulletproof" had enough great moments to make an overall good episode. But then "Power" and "Requiem" seemed like the writers were writing for a different series and completely derailed the season. I mean if they knew the reactions from those episodes would be severely negative, why write the arc they way they did? Instead of pleasing Lana fans, Clana fans and Kristin Kruek herself, why not write a convincing and mature arc where Clark and Lana realize that their aren't meant for each other and move on. It's not like the writers haven't broken these two up before, I mean Clark even broke up with Lana in Season 5, why couldn't they let him do that again? Why create such an elaborate, pointless and ridiculous storyline of Lana becoming a superhero with both her and Clark being coming a superpowered couple then Lana being a kryptonite infected super being? I know the writers have made some silly and poor storylines in the past, but those 2 episodes were almost unforgiveable, especially after all the progress this season has made. The only thing the Lana arc did right was the heartbreaking last scene between Lana and Clark because Tom and Kristin actually made a horrible storyline seem passable in the end. But at the same time, I don't believe Lois will be second choice to Clark's once again loneliness after Lana's depature. While Clark has some feelings for Lois, he's not in love with her, not even close. They are still at the beginning stages of their relationship. There is an attraction between them, but that's all. People are saying Clark will always chose Lana over Lois because he couldn't physically be with Lana, but wouldn't that makes sense for Clark now! As much as I hate to admit it, Clark has been in love with Lana for 8 years and has only been having feelings for Lois for a couple of months. Realistically, it would make sense that Clark would have more feelings for Lana at this point in the series since she still has a huge place in his heart. Most fans are pissed because "Infamous" will continue Clois, which is an insult to Lois and Clark, making their relationship look like crap after the Lana ordeal. "Infamous" looks like it will be Clark continuing to discover his feelings for Lois, it's not like he will fall in love with her. But I think where the writers are going with this is that Clark will realize how strongly he feels for Lois since he's been denying them so far and that's pretty much it. They won't be getting together anytime soon, especially on this series since they can't if I remember. Remember, we are still in Clark's pre-Superman days, Lana is a big part of his life before he becomes Superman, while Lois is a big part of his life when he does become Superman. While the writers messed up the momentum of the season with the last 2 episodes, "Infamous" looks like it will bring it back in a big way! Let's just hope "Power" and "Requiem" will be the only missteps this season as I'm really enjoying this season.

 

[avidreader]

He was always scared telling her he was an alien though. The thing is his secret has 2 parts(the powers and him being an alien). If he told her part 1 of the secret then the angst would have been gone because him being a MF is a very plausible to explain what was going on.

Telling her that he is a meteor freak is not the truth, and therefore he is still hiding something that would possibly create angst.

 

[Webhead2006]

hey could u do paragraphs a wall of words is hard to read.

 

[SV Fan]

Most fans are pissed because "Infamous" will continue Clois, which is an insult to Lois and Clark, making their relationship look like crap after the Lana ordeal.

Actually it seems the general reaction from Clois fanbase is they are happy with it. Personally I would rather have more organic storyt telling and they can build up to a kiss the last episode this season. Having them kiss next episode just looks like PS3 saying hey look they are kissing you can now forget about Clana.

Not that I care, but I think the fact Clark moves on so easily doesn't speak wonders for the depth of the Clana relationship either.

Telling her that he is a meteor freak is not the truth, and therefore he is still hiding something that would possibly create angst.

But it seems like the bulk of the Clana plots up till the end of season 6 were

"i got to know your secret'
"tell me your secret"
etc etc

By Clark saying he is a meteor freak it would basically give a solid reason why he is so mysterious, although knowing this show they would find other things to give the relationship angst. I understand he isn't being 100% truthful, but he could tell her the 2nd part when he feels more comfortable. This would make the relationship less melodramatic(which is probably why they didn't do it). As much as I don't care for Clana, I actually wished they did a season long story arc where they were happy for the most part (only to break up at season's end), telling her he has powers would have allowed this.

It basically comes down that I can't see how anybody sees Clana as a serious relationship when they couldn't stay together for more then like 2-3 episodes before something went wrong.

 

[Whiteflag]

Actually he knew Lana was snooping around to find out, he saw photos of her in his barn, and at the end of that episode (i saw it recently on HDnet) he hinted that he knew what she was up to, so i guess he understood.

Well, yeah, that's just a guess. And that wouldn't make her behavior less reprehensible.

And no its not right to do that at all, but no one on the show is in the position to throw stones at anyone.

True. The difference is that other characters are allowed to be called on their mistakes and/or to express regret about them.

But I agree that this may not be the right place to discuss this issue.

 

[mellyM]

Well, yeah, that's just a guess. And that wouldn't make her behavior less reprehensible.



True. The difference is that other characters are allowed to be called on their mistakes and/or to express regret about them.

But I agree that this may not be the right place to discuss this issue.

Probably not in the thread for Infamous But they've all done questionable things, and I agree Lana wasn't always called on it, especially in earlier seasons, which got to be confusing, but humans aren't perfect, and I guess aliens aren't either

 

[Prison Mike]

Not all. Despite deceiving appearances to the contrary, not "all" hated the past few episodes.

And "all" are not dreading the upcoming ones.

so you're honestly happy with the way they ended Clark and Lana? I would much rather have seen them depart as mutual friends.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i wish they parted as mutal friends and realize a relationship between them would never work out like they want. Plus no super-lana bull.

 

[Mike_D202]

I am going to pretend that "power" and "requiem" never happend and that the next episode is a reboot of the season ala Incredible Hulk style.

*commence hypnosis*

 

[Prison Mike]

I am going to pretend that "power" and "requiem" never happend and that the next episode is a reboot of the season ala Incredible Hulk style.

*commence hypnosis*

I'm going to think the same way. In my mind, Infamous pickes up a while after Legion...lol

 

[Mikelus]

Well, then have fun with some extra session of hypnosis after "Infamous", you could need it.

 

[MJZ]

so you're honestly happy with the way they ended Clark and Lana? I would much rather have seen them depart as mutual friends.

I was happy with it. It made the most sense story-wise.

 

[mellyM]

I was happy with it. It made the most sense story-wise.

I was happy with it too, i mean it would have been nice to see them part ways with mutual understanding that they weren't destined to be together, but thats never been their relationship--its always been intense and drama filled, with each one putting the other on a pedestal, so why would it suddenly end any other way?

 

[Whiteflag]

I was deeply unhappy with it. It was probably the worst choice that could have been made. IMO.

 

[Mike_D202]

I was happy with it. It made the most sense story-wise.

That Lana absorbed a super-suit that, in return, absorbed kryptonite and Clark is forced never to be close to her again?

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

It's sad that the writers have to promote "Infamous" like it will be a cure to the Lana arc after "Power" and "Requiem".

No one's "promoting" it that way, those comments were Ausiello's from EW. He's not affiliated with the show in any way, shape, or form. He's a glorified spoiler columnist.

 

[MJZ]

That Lana absorbed a super-suit that, in return, absorbed kryptonite and Clark is forced never to be close to her again?

It made sense to me that the only thing that can kill him is what ultimately separates him from the girl he's loved since he was a child, a girl who in return loved him before she knew his secret and accepted him with full understanding after she discovered who he really was.

Yeah, to me, in the SV mythos, it was very well-done.

 

[The Caped Knight]

It made sense to me that the only thing that can kill him is what ultimately separates him from the girl he's loved since he was a child, a girl who in return loved him before she knew his secret and accepted him with full understanding after she discovered who he really was.

Yeah, to me, in the SV mythos, it was very well-done.

I find your interpretation on this subject very disturbing .

I seriously can't see how you came to this opinion. Lana's return/Final farewell arc was absolutely ridiculous they should've just stuck with videotape message .
Because what they did was just down right ugly .

1. Lana returns now keeping secrets from Clark

2. She take a power suit making her a super powered being like Clark

3. She become Kryptonite Woman WTF !? (see Kryptonite Man)

 

[Serene]

Yeah, to me, in the SV mythos, it was very well-done.

And there ya' go.

I wasn't thrilled with the choice they made, because I think there were other options that would have also made sense and still done justice to all the characters involved. But, I think what they did choose to do absolutely worked well within the context of this story as it's been presented from the very first episode, even if it does piss off certain factions of the fanbase. Honestly, is there anything that doesn't piss off certain factions of the fanbase?

Also, it was beautifully executed, and I enjoyed the hell out of it.

Speaking as a Clana fan, I am satisfied with the ending, and have no problems moving on to Clark now finding a life-lasting love with Lois.

 

[Mike_D202]

^^^ ya except for the fact that the "no problems moving on" statement is literally FORCED onto him. A break-up concists of a mutual separation, both parties realizing its not going to ever work out because they grew apart.

Not because being with the person would kill them and to keep their distance. I'm not a Clana fan at all, and that two episode arc was clearly done to appease the Clana fanbase (those who think that Clark should never end up with Lois but with Lana, god knows if they even think they are still watching a tv show about Superman).

 

[chris moore]

Why is this episode supposed to be airing in mid march or something? (apologies if this has been asked elsewhere in these 8 pages). Is it more bloody sweeps crap in the states or something?