86th Annual Academy Awards (2014) - Part 2

[slumcat]

Is DiCaprio the biggest Oscar beggar ever?

I think so. I don' think there has ever been an actor who has pined for an Oscar more than him.

 

[jmc]

How was Ellen bad in any way, shape or form?

Not bad, just vanilla. I will give her credit for at least being good with vanilla humour.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

They need to get Stephen Colbert or Robin Williams.

Period.

Eddie Murphy should host and actually go through with it.Just keep Brett Ratner away.

 

[craigdbfan]

Just caught some of the highlights and it looked to be a very sentimental Oscar show this year.

Loved Matthew McConaugheys' speech. May have been one of the best in fact.

 

[Drz]

I'm glad Wolf of Wall Street won absolutely nothing. Gravitiy winning so much is hilarious however. It was such a 1 note movie.

 

[Sawyer]

Oh you.

 

[dark_b]

It's about damn time a movie about Slavery won.

i agree. it is important for the US that this movie won.it needs to be seen by everyone. to bad that it won for the wrong reasons. the old white man didnt think it should win. it won because the old white man were afraid of the backclash. they were afraid that everyone would think that they are racist.

90% of white people nominated and i see a lot of white people winning oscars in 2014.

so let me see if i get this right.
-be white
-have aids or HIV
-lose weight
-be white
-no black main character
-WIN

was Matthew good? yes . was Leto good? yes.so what ? everyone who got nominated was good. Eijofor should won. thats a fact.

 

[dark_b]

I hate when Green Screen films like Life of Life of Pi and Gravity win cinematography awards.

Gravity didnt have greenscreen

cinematography is more than just holding a camera . its more than just looking pretty on screen. its also about telling the best story with what you have. Lubeski was preparing for almost 12 months for every shot that is in the movie.

 

[slumcat]

12 Years is not good enough to carry off this "important" tag.

Its good but that's it.

I think I prefer even Nebraska to 12 Years A Slave.

 

[dark_b]

12 Years is not good enough to carry off this "important" tag.

i think it is. racism in USA in 2014 is still to big of a problem.

 

[dark_b]

I haven't seen the other two films so I honestly couldn't give an opinion, I just think you were probably right about why TLJ's performance got more credit then than it does in hindsight.

you havent seen What's Eating Gilbert Grape and Schindler's List?

 

[Hunter Rider]

The Auschwitz sequence is one of the most terrifying things I have ever seen in my life.

My cousin said he could barely get through that scene.

I pretty much consider 12 Years to American slavery what Schindler's List is to the Holocaust.

Interesting comparison given it was a more condensed story that happened post abolition.

Some are speculating that John Ridley and Steve McQueen are feuding because of this:

https://vine.co/v/MA7p2dXp7qe

Oooooo, they'll be tweeting stink eye smilies at each other by tomorrow afternoon!

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Bullseye1]

i agree. it is important for the US that this movie won.it needs to be seen by everyone. to bad that it won for the wrong reasons. the old white man didnt think it should win. it won because the old white man were afraid of the backclash. they were afraid that everyone would think that they are racist.

90% of white people nominated and i see a lot of white people winning oscars in 2014.

so let me see if i get this right.
-be white
-have aids or HIV
-lose weight
-be white
-no black main character
-WIN

was Matthew good? yes . was Leto good? yes.so what ? everyone who got nominated was good. Eijofor should won. thats a fact.

I've seen both performances and disagree. It should be noted that this year has been a particularly brilliant comeback from MMcC with his cameo stealing performance in Wolf of Wallstreet, to the sublime True Detective and finally the truely brilliant performance in DBC. It is very well deserved. Eljofor gave the performance of his life and was rightly nominated. I think he needs to go on and put a better catalogue of work together and if he keeps the standard high his time will come.

 

[chamber-music]

I think Matthew McConaughey got it for his general work over the last few years aka 'the McConaissance'.

Ejiofor and DiCaprio are both good actors and they will both get another shot.

I know some people are joking with the DiCaprio thing but there are also some people who are
actually serious and taking DiCaprio not winning a Oscar like its a grave injustice which I find hilarious.

 

[Maximus One]

Dicaprio or Eijofor deserved it over McConaughey IMO. He was GREAT in DBC but it wasn't what I would call a tour de force performance. Great, but not THAT great. I think Wolf just gets a bad name because of the subject matter and person Dicaprio played and its sad because he blew me the **** away as Belfort. And it's crazy cuz he's done better roles before

 

[craigdbfan]

If McConaughey didn't deserve to win for DBC then he sure as hell has earned it with True Detective. Bar none one of the best performances I've ever seen.

Dude is on a whole other level there. I know some people don't like Oscars given to actors due to their other body of work but sometimes it's justified. Like in this case and in Bale's case too.

 

[slumcat]

I will tell you something that probably will sit ill with a lot of guys here.

Schindler's List is a very limited movie. It is not a compliment to call any movie the Schindler's List of its genre.

I liked it when I saw it but with distance I see it as an artfully made but ultimately reductive film. If you truly want to see a great film about the Holocaust, a film that truly transcends the medium and achieves the kind of insight that most movies can even dream of - watch Shoah. It is simply of the greatest films ever made.

Schindler's List is a lesser Holocaust movie. 12 Years is an even lesser slavery movie.

A movie's subject does not make it great. So 12 years a slave is not a great movie just because it is about slavery.

Its ok. I see absolutely nothing important there. Its a good movie but that's it. I won't burden it with any undue importance lest in collapse and crumble beneath it.

 

[Maximus One]

I didn't think 12 Years did anything particularly new when it comes to how slavery has been portrayed in film. Maybe I haven't seen enough slavery movies or something. It was mainly my pic for Best Picture solely because I knew it would win due to its subject matter rather than the quality of the story. Just like Leto won more for who he portrayed than how he portrayed them. None of the winners really surprised me at all.

 

[Maximus One]

If McConaughey didn't deserve to win for DBC then he sure as hell has earned it with True Detective. Bar none one of the best performances I've ever seen.

Dude is on a whole other level there. I know some people don't like Oscars given to actors due to their other body of work but sometimes it's justified. Like in this case and in Bale's case too.

Agreed.

 

[slumcat]

Out of the nominees I have seen, I would place 12 years A Slave 4th behind Gravity, Nebraska and American Hustle. Even The Act Of Killing (doc nominee) and The Great Beauty (foreign winner) were better than 12 Years A Slave.

 

[Maximus One]

I just feel like 12 Years won because its about slavery. McConaughey won for playing a homophobic man with AIDS and Leto won because he played a transvestite (is that even the proper word anymore) with AIDS. 12 Years is a great movie and both McConaughey and Leto have great performances but I just see it that way. I feel it wasn't for the quality of the story or the performances but just because of what it was about and who they were playing. At least, it's mostly about that. I wouldn't think somebody else would have won if they had the lead in DBC so that may be due to McConaughey but again that's probably just because of how "big" he is at the moment.

 

[DA_Champion]

I just feel like 12 Years won because its about slavery.

Did Amistad win it its year?

 

[Maximus One]

I don't think that is a fair comparison. Because it hasn't happened every other time means it didn't happen this time? And, it was nominated if I recall correctly

 

[DA_Champion]

I don't think that is a fair comparison. Because it hasn't happened every other time means it didn't happen this time? And, it was nominated if I recall correctly

OK, I changed my mind, I think you're probably right. Not completely right but it's a contributing part to the argument.

The oscars very much reward movies that honour the shallow left-wing ideology that baselines most Hollywood political thinking. Prior to 12 years a slave, best pictures have been given out for Argo, The King's Speech, Hurt Locker, and the poverty porn Slumdog Millionaire. There's a very clear theme here. The trend might have begun with the awful Babel getting a best picture nomination.

NB: I'm a leftist myself, but I don't think most Hollywood activists understand the causes they support.