9.20 - Sacrifice - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Webhead2006]

lol yea prison mike.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

So surprise, surprise..

Chloe didn't get put in her place in this episode about her tactics all season ..

 

[Hobodeluxe]

I thought that was one of the best episodes ever. kudos to the writers and director.

 

[Prison Mike]

So surprise, surprise..

Chloe didn't get put in her place in this episode about her tactics all season ..

yeah especially when the producer said all the stuff she's been doing will culminate in this episode. She won't learn anything from this point on. Maybe she'll learn how to override a new security system...

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

 

[Webhead2006]

well we dont know for sure if she didnt learn things from the episode. we will have to see what happens with chloe in hostage and salvation.

 

[KBX]

Overall, good episode. Even though Tess and Chloe had most of the screentime, I believe they were actually doing something.

Umm the Kandorian girl who has a crush on Clark, Vala. I thought she was part of the Kangorian group that wasn't currently with Zod, but in the end she had powers. Did I see that wrong? Other than that, I hope they didn't kill off Waller, would like for her to show up in season 10.

Tom Welling sounded sick most of the episode. Justin Hartley might need to write aother episode.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i do hope waller isnt dead, i want to see more of her myself. as for vala she probably joined up with zod after the attack, and he probably gave her and the others in the group she was with powers offscreen.

 

[B]

I thought this was a badass episode, considering there are a couple of story arcs if you will going this is one of the few episodes this season that didn't feel cluttered & messy.

This was a superb set up episode that has wet the lips for the season finale showdown. Zod was outstanding in this episode, the scene in which he offers Green Arrow to join him oozed Zod'ness the way the line was delivered/came accross. The final scene was immensely good to watch, Zod was somewhat betrayed by Faora to Clark & he then twisted it so some of the Kandorians that Clark thought were on his side betrayed him to follow General Zod instead.

Clark seriously need to learn how to fly, this **** with other Kryptonian's instantly flying is getting ridiculous. Faora's sister had powers for less than a few hours & could fly & she was one of the Kandorians trying to live as a human.. which somewhat nullifies Smallville's Clark flying excuse. Seriously though, enoughs enough. He should fly in the next episode or finale without question..

Anyway aside from Clark not being able to fly & the rest of the Kandorians flying there is too much good'ness in this episode to talk about.

Another good episode, good to see Smallville back to form with a strong final build up of episodes after the mid-season dip in form last season.

 

[Superfreak]

the last couple of weeks, I've skipped the first 20 minutes of SV, and have been much happier ever since.

This episode was great... I think had I watched the first 20 minutes, I'd have been bored by the Chloe/Tess thing.

It's a little concerning though that one can skip almost half the episode, and not be lost (which IMO, boils down to that first 20 minutes not containing any relevant or important information... aka Filler, within an episode)


Good episode though, any signs of negativity are a result of my observation, and not of the episode itself

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm sure a lot of people are going to find the end scene with Zod emotionally powerful, but I found it to be incredibly cheap and manipulative. Maybe if the Kandorian had been introduced as a 3 dimensional character throughout the season, with a real interesting relationship with Zod, then it might have added up to something. But this just made me really angry. Nothing more then a quick way to push Zod all the way to the dark side in one episode.
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Not sure I follow. Faora and her sister, to a lesser extent, have been featured in multiple episodes and story archs this season. They were the only ones brought into this episode with any relevance, outside of the "black Kryptonian" who had 1 line of a dialogue basically telling Clark to "go to hell."

 

[Milos]

Thanks to BOUROUX
Episode 9-20 Sacrifice

Clark: 11m, 56s
Chloe: 15m, 36s
Lois: 0m, 00s
Oliver: 5m, 41s
Tess: 12m, 08s
Zod: 11m, 33s
Faora: 12m, 26s
Amanda: 3m, 27s
Stuart: 3m, 13s

Perfect ST for Smallville!!!!
Best episode of the season!!!!

 

[Superfreak]

Not sure I follow. Faora and her sister, to a lesser extent, have been featured in multiple episodes and story archs this season. They were the only ones brought into this episode with any relevance, outside of the "black Kryptonian" who had 1 line of a dialogue basically telling Clark to "go to hell."

I kind of agree with him. Had the more 'featured' secondary kandorians gotten a little more development, it would make their 'turn to the dark side' a little more satisfying. There are atleast 2 episodes that have aired this season that could have been replaced with a little more kandorian development (ie. they could have gone further in depth into Clark's immigration scam etc).

Moreover, it would also be of use to see where these cloned kandorians loyalties fell at the fall of krypton (ie. we know that Zod was evil, and we now know his clone has fallen in the same way... what were the roles of the other kandorians when krytpon fell?)

Clark seems to trust all the other Kandies, but not Zod, because of what he 'might' become. If the Kandies are as loyal as they appear, then its probably a certainty that their older selves played a role Kryptons final destruction.

simply put: I agree, the Kandies could have used a little more screen time



otherwise, I was quite happy with the epi (saw the first half this morning).

But I'm going to say this: if this narrative climaxs with red sunlight, and clark thumping the kandies without powers (respectively) I'm not going to be a happy camper.

 

[COMPO]

I didn't mind this episode, I think with Chloe it was more about letting people in but when Tess was saying he won't leave I kept thinking "he will with Black Canary"

Clark I liked his story with Oliver thought they worked well together and especially Zod who became darker in this episode. I don't get why Clark doesn't oust Zod as the destroyer of Krypton to the Kandorians, I mean it would have had them switch sides more towards him a bit.

The problem with the Kandorians is that they have to go by the end of the season but the writers haven't really made them that much of a threat, only Zod. Whereas at the beginning they were seen as but now with them living in society it doesn't seem that way.

 

[Webhead2006]

sure chloe and tess had the most but it was a more character driven episode for them. Which we do need to have episodes from time to time for others to shine a bit more. Clark usually in most episodes does have the most screen time, and season wide clark is always way ahead of others. Lke i said last night i enjoyed the episode alot. Zod was wicked great in the episode. And i enjoyed the kandorian/checkmate stuff.

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[Nathan]

Man, if Clark doesn't finally learn how to fly, he's in ****ing trouble. There are like a dozen Kandorians with all of his powers, plus flight. What's he gonna do? Jump after them?

 

[echostation]

The kandorians not only are poorly developed but magically all can fly... shows how piss poor Clark's training has been after he's been given virtually everything on Earth, yet he still can't fly... how the writers explain that inconsistency is well plain stupid, as in they haven't... they just leave it that all of a sudden all these new guys can fly except Kal-El whose had these powers for at least 20 some years longer... idiotic writing

 

[Nathan]

It's especially sad when you know that Clark as been able to fly at a young age in comics, movies and cartoons. So this excuse of "He'll learn to fly when he accepts his fate and becomes Superman." is piss poor.

 

[Nathan]

*double*

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

They were the only ones brought into this episode with any relevance, outside of the "black Kryptonian" who had 1 line of a dialogue basically telling Clark to "go to hell."

Basquat the Kryptonian shaft.

He's a complicated man.

 

[Prison Mike]

Wasn't he the one who first confronted Lois in the future in the episode Pandora?

 

[KBX]

yep, hes been here and there...

though its interesting to note the IMDB has list Faora in appearing in Salvation.

 

[Mike22]

The kandorians not only are poorly developed but magically all can fly... shows how piss poor Clark's training has been after he's been given virtually everything on Earth, yet he still can't fly... how the writers explain that inconsistency is well plain stupid, as in they haven't... they just leave it that all of a sudden all these new guys can fly except Kal-El whose had these powers for at least 20 some years longer... idiotic writing

It's especially sad when you know that Clark as been able to fly at a young age in comics, movies and cartoons. So this excuse of "He'll learn to fly when he accepts his fate and becomes Superman." is piss poor.

Agreed.
Gentlemen, IMO, the fact that Clark is not flying yet has more to do with the prolonging of the series into a 10 season if even further, and all the financial benefits that follows from the DVD sales etc. Because up till now they've been able to use the "He's not experienced enough to handle the responsibility of becoming superman". But now after having "saved the world" a good 50 times as Young Clark, they can't use that explanation anymore. Now they're holding on for dear life to the flying as their last resort, because lets face it, once he starts flying around, he's FULLY superman and they can't explain why he's not wearing the suit yet, because if he does, show's over. So... they came up with a half assed excuse to why he can't fly yet, which IMO is just plain stupid, because flying is no different than any of the other powers he's developed so far, it's all a matter of will, which he has, and could very well fly if it has suited the People behind the show, but it doesn't, so we get a dumb ass explanation to satisfy those that question his lack of flying.
Just to point out that I've always been fine with him not flying but as of lately it really been pissing me of.

Second reason is that they frankly don't have the budget to handle such effects. Smallville is not what it used to be as far as the visuals go. The budget has been cut dramatically and it's showing big time.
It's one thing to use the fast blur effect when he's running but it would be quite a different thing to use that when he's flying, and they have used it for all the other people that have flown on the show, and it looked pretty damn bad most of the time. The best flying this show has ever had was in Crusade and the beginning of the Zod flight a few episodes back.

Smallville... isn't... the same show that it once was, and I honestly don't know what to think about that. It's taken on a natural progression with working at the Planet and the dual identity thing, but there is so much missing. It's like they took superman out of the equation and merged his past and future into what we see now. Some elements are there, but others aren't. Like for instance, I can understand that they don't want to show the suit, I do, I really do, But why the frickin' hell can't they have him wear the glasses, act a little different when as Clark, oh yeah, and FLY? Is that to much to ask for?

 

[Frodo]

They outta just have him fly. He has the S , Lois is his gf, We've seen Jimmy, Lex and Perry is returning next week. He's faced Zod, Metallo, Doomsday, and Toyman. He has the duel identity and excepted his destiny. He's basically Superman with out the red and blue.

 

[Frodo]

They outta just have him fly. He has the S , Lois is his gf, We've seen Jimmy, Lex and Perry is returning next week. He's faced Zod, Metallo, Doomsday, and Toyman. He has the duel identity and excepted his destiny. He's basically Superman with out the red and blue.