9.20 - Sacrifice - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

The kandorians not only are poorly developed but magically all can fly... shows how piss poor Clark's training has been after he's been given virtually everything on Earth, yet he still can't fly... how the writers explain that inconsistency is well plain stupid, as in they haven't... they just leave it that all of a sudden all these new guys can fly except Kal-El whose had these powers for at least 20 some years longer... idiotic writing


And from the dawn of time guys like you know only two things - "when is he gonna fly?" and "when is Bruce Wayne coming?". I start to wonder what's worse - the lunatic Chlarkers or the moronic fanboys.
 
They outta just have him fly. He has the S , Lois is his gf, We've seen Jimmy, Lex and Perry is returning next week. He's faced Zod, Metallo, Doomsday, and Toyman. He has the duel identity and excepted his destiny. He's basically Superman with out the red and blue.

His duel identity isn't really the Superman duel identity though.


He doesn't have the glasses (though I think it's too late to make them work on SV) and the reporter disguise that's different from the farmboy Clark.

I don't think Lois as his gf is a step forward either. Lois is supposed to eventually fall for Superman, so having her in a relationship with Clark now, before Superman appears, doesn't really push anything forward. They may just have them break up, which would be such a waste given the focus spent on "clois."

And according to Kelly Sounders, Lois will never learn Clark's identity on SV either. How that will work is beyond me..
 
He doesn't have the glasses (though I think it's too late to make them work on SV) and the reporter disguise that's different from the farmboy Clark.

This I don't understand. Wasn't there an Episode where he said he had a secret he was embarrassed about? Then he told Lois that he was shortsighted and put on the glasses. Wouldn't this have been a perfect opportunity for him to stick with the glasses?
 
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This I don't understand. Wasn't there an Episode where he said he had a secret he was embarrassed about? Then he told Lois that he was shortsighted and put on the glasses. Wouldn't this have been a perfecty opportunity for him to stick with the glasses?

Ever wonder why all the characters on this show have perfect eyesight and look like models?Tom welling walking around with big thick glasses makeing him look geeky, aint bringing in the females. Its the only reason why he hasnt put on glasses, and I mean the only reason.
 
I think he should start having bursts of flight from now until the end of season 10. Season 10's whole thing could be Clark experimenting with "hiding/exposing his secret identity" and learning how to properly fly. What if episodes 21-22 he does fly but just sucks at it and then he has to refine it throughout season 10?
 
I just finished the ep, and that was kind of awesome. Wow, there was really a lot going on in this episode, but I think they struck a great balance and told a good story. Hot damn, kudos! This episode really, really moved things along, and I really enjoyed watching it. :up::up:
 
Johnny... your argument is not only beyond ******ed, but doesn't hold any merit against a completely valid claim.

I'm not even in the category of people asking why hasnt' he been flying all these years, so stop stupidly generalizing and actually come up with an argument or just stop talking altogether... I'm simply putting my claim NOW in the context of the illogical story writing in these past few episodes. The Kandorians can magically fly, HOW did they attain that ability? They have had any training, or did they? Will they allude to how they just developed the power to fly so suddenly? Do they have something that Clark doesn't have? Some part of Kryptonian heritage or blood that allows them to learn their powers faster?

Last season, never complained he never flew, season before last and so on i've nver thought much of it even when we've seen Jon Jones fly all around, it still didn't bug me. But when the Kandorians have had their powers for like what a few weeks if not months at most, HOW can they develop the ability to fly while Clark can't? Is it really a matter of will power? Clark has the will power to make so many difficult decisions, has saved the world, saved thousands of lives and has put lives at risk... but doesn't have the will power to fly.

THAT'S the bloody context I'm putting my argument in which is a completely fair and valid claim which you obviously completely uber failed to understand despite the clarity of it. If in the next few episodes they can creatively come up with a way to explain how the kandorians are able to fly despite Clark having had his powers for 20+ years longer than they have plus with all of Jor-El's training and his own given Kryptonian home to train in, then of course I'll have no complaints... that said, they're obviously not going to and that is another thing that makes this show stupider despite these past two seasons being some of the best written seasons since season 1.
 
And from the dawn of time guys like you know only two things - "when is he gonna fly?" and "when is Bruce Wayne coming?". I start to wonder what's worse - the lunatic Chlarkers or the moronic fanboys.

the lunatic chlarkers...
 
Clark not flying is extremely lame, but until he finds the "right" balance between his Kryptonian and human identity, he won't, that's the producers' excuse anyway:

Kelly Souders: Clark Kent won't really become Superman until he takes to the skies. We all have our stumbling blocks; his are just air-born. Until he can fully embrace his double-life, he'll have a hard time getting off the ground.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Smallville-questions-answered-1005076.aspx


The episode was better than expected, bravo to Justin, Bryan Q. Miller & Walter Wong. They totally surprised us with the Faora twist, Sharon Taylor was great... I don't think we can be 100% sure Waller and Stuart are gone, specially Waller, she always has a few tricks under her sleeve. Chloe sacrificed information and Zod, Faora, using her death to manipulate the Kandorians, classic Machiavellian.

On the Book of Rao, maybe it will take the Kandorians' powers away.

Tess seems to be heading towards redemption, they should keep her for S10, no one can take better care of LuthorCorp until Lex comes back, Michael and Cassidy would be amazing together, even if it's only for the series finale.
 
If Lex ever returned, he would attempt to kill Tess immediately like he did in "Requiem" before Oliver killed him.

Tess weakened Luthorcorp into a partnership with Queen Industries, she's been in bed with Oliver, she was the cause of an alien invasion by releasing the Kandorians (something Lex was fighting to prevent)...

Tess has been the anti-Lex. She's doomed to get a bullet in her brain if Lex comes back.

If it were up to me, I would have had Lex as the man behind Checkmate. It aligns perfectly with his goals.

However, given what happened to him in "Requiem" its unlikely now.
 
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I honestly wouldn't mind that. Tess has become increasingly annoying and mind-numbingly stupid, trying to empower the Kandorians. "Gee, let's help get a couple dozen aliens get their super powers, who all follow the lead of a freaking mad man. What could go wrong?"
 
It was established that Clark's powers developped gradually cuz he was sent on Earth as an infant. That's why they started to come out while he was growing up and not instantly. His body had to continually adapt to the yellow sunrays in order for him to start controlling them, cuz of his young age when he arrived. Plus, he was raised as a human and therefore he discovered most of his powers through natural things in human life - having a cold, raging hormones, stuff like that.

Fast forward - every single kryptonian character on this show when they came to Earth, was a grown person. Except for Davis, but he was a different story. I see your point why all of them come and suddenly have all the powers and Clark still doesn't, but you gotta remember that they didn't grow up on Earth. And they all embraced being aliens. Clark always up until Season 8 tried to forget that and saw it as a curse. He may see himself as a kryptonian now, but it wasn't up until Jimmy died that he started wearing that shield and really embracing his heritage, honoring his father, etc. Now, with that being said, I kinda buy that thing with the mental block that prevents him from flying - I know they do it to keep him from flying up until the very end, but it sounds if not so much plausible, then at least tolerable to me why he doesn't fly and others do. He embraces his heritage now and does his training, but he didn't choose it just like that - he did it cuz Jimmy died. It wasn't just out of the blue, once again something terrible had to happen in his life for him to make such choice. So this mental block thing will always prevent him from going "up, up and away" until he makes another important choice about his destiny, not cuz of the circumstances but cuz of his own free will to do it. I don't like it but I understand it. The other kryptonians never had such mental blocks or denials as he did => they all became flying powerhouses instantly. At least that's how I see it. I hope this sounds less "******ed" to you echostation.
 
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....that episode was awesome!! Sure is had it's typical WTF!? moments, but overall it was fast paced and very engaging. Usually when episodes move have so much going on and are fast paced, they come off rushed and messy, but this episode maintain various plots together very well and kept me at the edge of my seat.

The whole cast was great, especially Callum, Cassidy and Allison. I don't know how much input Justin had on the script, but with so many writers involved, I thought this would give the episode a muddled feel, but all 3 writers came up with some really great dialogue. Even Chloe's dialogue felt natural and her actions didn't feel contrived. The Tess/Chloe alliance felt so focred in "Upgrade" but in "Sacrifice" it didn't, there was a reason for them to work together and still hate each other. Allison and Cassidy played off each really well, although the "Chlollie' pimping from Tess was eye roll worthy! Seriously? This relationship is not gonna last very long yet they're trying it like Chloe and Oliver are soulmates!:doh:

Callum...I just have to say, for anyone who had a problem with him as Zod all season, this episode should end all that! This was Zod from the classic Superman films, everything he did in this episode from his first scene when he confronted Oliver to the last scene at the Fortress, this was the best representation of the character since Terrance Stamp last played the character. This was the kinda stuff I was expecting from Zod in "Upgrade" but thank god we got to see it here. His affair with Foara and the unborn baby plot was a suprising twist (although, the originals couldn't have children, that's why Davis was created....?) Anyway, Sharon Taylor (II) has been a very minor character since the premiere, but she really shined here. I really enjoyed her performance and I loved her scenes with Clark, not to mention her final scene with Zod. I was riveted and her death as well as the death of her baby by Zod was brutal. I loved, loved how Zod listened to the baby's final heart beats, showing that while Zod had completely lost it and became the monster we all know, it was the final ounce of humanity he had. Clark was reduced to a supporting role this week, but all his scenes were well done. Clark just had a strong presence about him throughout this hour, a Supermanly presence and I finally warmed up to why he wants to make peace with the Kandorians. It makes sense that Clark would want to preserve his civilazation but protecting them from Zod, knowing what he is capable of.

A few more little notes:

-Amanda Waller's return was an unexpected surprise but I hope she isn't dead.

-Stuart returns as a Checkmate agent? Stuart? I get the whole revenge thing against Tess, but Jimmy was more intimidating than this guy.:oldrazz:

-Oliver getting maimed by Zod....ouch and Oliver's screams while Clark was listening to it happen was very effective.

-Chloe's line about Tess about being Zod's ******. LOL :hehe:

-The whole Batcave-eqse opening with Chloe was pretty badass, makes me wonder how confused Clark must have been when the elevator first scanned him.

-Wonders what Quentine Tarantino's reaction would have been to that Tess revival scene.

-Vala, Clark just told you Zod just killed your sister and you still join him? Yeah, it's not like you can trust Clark, the guy who saved your a$$ from Frankenstien like how many episodes back!:whatever:

-When all the Kryptonians and Zod flew out the Fortress, I was expecting facepalm sound to echo throughout the fortress with Jor-El saying "Kal-El, my son...you really need to get on that *****!"

Definately the best episode this second half of the year and really got me excited for the last 2 episodes. Though I'm worried about "Hostage". "Sacrifice" could have been the perfect penultimate episode. Not that Hostage will be filler or anything but this felt like it would lead right into the finale and Hostage will have a tough time giving us that same feeling.
 
sure i agree with the whole non flying thing has been a bit silly for the show. But they have their dam reasons. Hopefully we will see clark a flying too hopefully in the finale. IF not their i am sure most likely 200th episode(4th episode of season 10). Also its not really idiotic about other kryptonians flying, from what we are told in the show kryptonians who fully embrace their heritage are able to access all their powers on earth. As for clark sure he is kryptonian but he believes himself to be human and was raised as a human. So his issue is trying to find the balance between embracing being the kryptonian he can be and his human clark kent identity.
 
....that episode was awesome!! ...

It's like you wrote everything I was thinking exactly. I agree with you on all points.

I really liked this ep and felt as you did that this would have been a perfect lead in to the finale. Hopefully hostage will continue that nice flow.
 
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sure i agree with the whole non flying thing has been a bit silly for the show. But they have their dam reasons.

It's just a really dumb one. In other medias Clark was able to fly for a good long while before he decided "Hey, I think I'm gonna wear blue tights and a red cape and safe the world.".

Flight was just another power he randomly discovered and it should have stayed that way. Smallville could still be the way it is, with him flying. He would still be unsure to go out in the open and show himself to the world as Superman, because he wouldn't know how the people would react to him.
 
It was established that Clark's powers developped gradually cuz he was sent on Earth as an infant. That's why they started to come out while he was growing up and not instantly. His body had to continually adapt to the yellow sunrays in order for him to start controlling them, cuz of his young age when he arrived. Plus, he was raised as a human and therefore he discovered most of his powers through natural things in human life - having a cold, raging hormones, stuff like that.

Fast forward - every single kryptonian character on this show when they came to Earth, was a grown person. Except for Davis, but he was a different story. I see your point why all of them come and suddenly have all the powers and Clark still doesn't, but you gotta remember that they didn't grow up on Earth. And they all embraced being aliens. Clark always up until Season 8 tried to forget that and saw it as a curse. He may see himself as a kryptonian now, but it wasn't up until Jimmy died that he started wearing that shield and really embracing his heritage, honoring his father, etc. Now, with that being said, I kinda buy that thing with the mental block that prevents him from flying - I know they do it to keep him from flying up until the very end, but it sounds if not so much plausible, then at least tolerable to me why he doesn't fly and others do. He embraces his heritage now and does his training, but he didn't choose it just like that - he did it cuz Jimmy died. It wasn't just out of the blue, once again something terrible had to happen in his life for him to make such choice. So this mental block thing will always prevent him from going "up, up and away" until he makes another important choice about his destiny, not cuz of the circumstances but cuz of his own free will to do it. I don't like it but I understand it. The other kryptonians never had such mental blocks or denials as he did => they all became flying powerhouses instantly. At least that's how I see it. I hope this sounds less "******ed" to you echostation.


1)the 'insta-charge' kryptonians is one of the failures of this show.

2)great, thanks for explaining the obvious: We all know the party line about SV. The question is, when is this impotence going to end? Clark is starting to move well beyond what can be considered his 'development' years. So When?
 
Good question. Well, the writers are on Twitter. Ask them. ;)
 
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-When all the Kryptonians and Zod flew out the Fortress, I was expecting facepalm sound to echo throughout the fortress with Jor-El saying "Kal-El, my son...you really need to get on that *****!"

Actually to be fair to Clark, he has pretty much said "I really need to get on that *****! Why can't I?" to Jor-El when he failed in the flight simulation from the statue of liberty awhile back.
 
I think I had a dream last night where Clark was trying to fly but kept falling down. I've been watching too much Smallville lately...
 
yea it would have been cool for past few yrs if we did see clark trying to fly but it not going anywhere. Now sure around seasons 1-4 we had the reason clark was afraid of heights which is logical for a kid/young teen. But then around season 5-7 it was like ok we should just have it already now. But as we know they had their reasons. Now sure the current reason is a bit hooky but its still a semi logical reasoning and all that.
 
I always assumed that the main reason Smallville had not yet indulged the fans and given us a flying Clark was simply due to budget and the fact they can't afford to show him flying all the time.

However, we've seen plenty of shots of Zod flying so far.....
 
I always assumed that the main reason Smallville had not yet indulged the fans and given us a flying Clark was simply due to budget and the fact they can't afford to show him flying all the time.

However, we've seen plenty of shots of Zod flying so far.....

I personaly think it's because it's one of only three big reveals they have for Clark/Superman. You have flight, the suit and Clark telling Lois his secrect(somebody correct me if there are any more). I do believe not having Clark fly is a plot devise to slow Clark becoming SM. And the lack of an explanation of why other Krytonians have all of their powers from the get go while it was established that Clarks had to develop is weak. Sure we have the they've embraced their being Krytonian and Clark hasn't. OK, so why don't they have to develop their powers overtime? As somebody else on here pointed out wouldn't Clark be able to fly while undder the effects of red K? It's the fact that they seem to have explain the reason away with pretty much one line that bothers me more than the actuall reason. I thought the episode was pretty good, with out knowing whats going to happen next week my first thought was this episode seems like it should be before the season finaly.
 

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