The Dark Knight A Fresh Joker Idea

[StorminNorman]

Than you better give up any hope of finding a "screenplay" in the gift pile!

Keyser already gave me his, so I would of ended up returning Yriks anyway.

 

[StorminNorman]

Wow - Stripping? He must be real down on his luck. I'll stuff a few extra dollar bills into his green-and-purple sequined G-string, you know, for the kids.

How thoughtfull, however I must admit - as sexy as Bettany is, I would prefer his wife to be the entertainment.

 

[Hades]

Eh, I think the Joker should have some sort of origin. I think it would flesh him out more, and give viewers a better idea of the guy. If he was pure evil or something like that, with no background, i think he'd turn out kind of flat and be just a generic kind of flash and no substance villain in the movie. I like the idea of the joker maybe being abused at a young age, and his wife being killed.
He would kind of have more of a connection with Batman, but the difference would be Bruce used this early trauma and...turned it around and used it
to fuel his crusade on crime, where as the Joker kind of just, let the demons over take him. Since The joker and Batman are opposites I think that would reinforce that more. I also remember this quote or something, about how the Joker doesn't think the world makes any sense, after losing his wife, and Batman responding "The world only makes sense when you force it to" See, i think that's kind of a good quote or whatever to sum up the relationship between the characters. Bleh, i think i rambled on too long.

 

[AnimeJune]

Eh, I think the Joker should have some sort of origin. I think it would flesh him out more, and give viewers a better idea of the guy. If he was pure evil or something like that, with no background, i think he'd turn out kind of flat and be just a generic kind of flash and no substance villain in the movie. I like the idea of the joker maybe being abused at a young age, and his wife being killed.
He would kind of have more of a connection with Batman, but the difference would be Bruce used this early trauma and...turned it around and used it
to fuel his crusade on crime, where as the Joker kind of just, let the demons over take him. Since The joker and Batman are opposites I think that would reinforce that more. I also remember this quote or something, about how the Joker doesn't think the world makes any sense, after losing his wife, and Batman responding "The world only makes sense when you force it to" See, i think that's kind of a good quote or whatever to sum up the relationship between the characters. Bleh, i think i rambled on too long.

I disagree - the reason the two are opposites is that Batman holds on to his humanity, whereas Joker has completely lost his. There is no point is showing his boo-hoo sob story about his pregnant wife and his abusive dad or anything, because by the time Batman finds him, he's already become a primal force for evil.

Besides - seeing that Gordon showed him a Joker card at the end of the film, I think Joker's already HAD his origin, off-screen.

Oh, and by the way Stormin - Happy Birthday:It's not Paul Bettany, but then again, your b-day isn't until August, either. ^_^

 

[trustyside-kick]

Ya I am pretty sure they have done his origin off screen anyway. That whole part at the end with the Joker card. I doubt he would leave that card for evidence if he was not Joker yet.

 

[Spare-Flair]

We should see Joker as a child, with his father hinting at beating him.
We should see the psychotic child that kills cats and grins as his alchoholic father beats his mother. This was in a comic, if Wikipedia is correct. A different child actor should play him to really give the sense of confusion.

Although it may loosely be comic canon. I don't want to see this in Batman. Being abused as a child is quite simply abused way too much in plotlines.

 

[Lightning54SC]

hopefully they use the killing joke but they wont

 

[Lightning54SC]

I would prefer his wife to be the entertainment.

oh YEA!!! ill hit that thank you very much

 

[Spare-Flair]

oh YEA!!! ill hit that thank you very much

Bettany will hit you back!

She would have made a great Lois for Superman.

 

[AnimeJune]

Although it may loosely be comic canon. I don't want to see this in Batman. Being abused as a child is quite simply abused way too much in plotlines.

Abused-As-A-Child-Plot-Point: Please, Daddy, don't make me go down to the basement! Please!

Screenwriter: *punches* Get down there and shaddup!

Abused-As-A-Child-Plot-Point: "Help...Kids Help phone....I hurt..."

 

[Keyser Sushi]

That's weird - do I hear violins in the background? Playing Simple Plan's "Untitled (How Could This Happen To Me)" ?

Ooooh, PWN3D!!!!

Sadly, I don't know who or what "Simple Plan" is, so any potential insult got lost in translation.

Goodbye. I'm off to go and do more useful things with my time.

Don't let the doorknob hit you in the bum on the way out...

 

[Ronny Shade]

I would prefer his wife to be the entertainment.

You lie!

oh YEA!!! ill hit that thank you very much

You'll hit nothing! nothing except Bettany's fist...with your face.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I disagree - the reason the two are opposites is that Batman holds on to his humanity, whereas Joker has completely lost his. There is no point is showing his boo-hoo sob story about his pregnant wife and his abusive dad or anything, because by the time Batman finds him, he's already become a primal force for evil.

Besides - seeing that Gordon showed him a Joker card at the end of the film, I think Joker's already HAD his origin, off-screen.

Oh, and by the way Stormin - Happy Birthday:It's not Paul Bettany, but then again, your b-day isn't until August, either. ^_^

Not necessarily. Because Gordon says he was wanted for double homicide and armed robbery. So chances are he's feeling the desperation of what Falcone was telling Bruce at the bar. He's making mistakes and taking chances just so he can afford to not be evicted from his apartment and keep food on the table for him and his pregnant wife, and keep money in his pockets.

I think "Begins" is only a setup for his origin story.

If his origin story is not shown I'll be pissed, but if they can show some little flashes of how he came to be I'd accept that.

 

[Katsuro]

Not necessarily. Because Gordon says he was wanted for double homicide and armed robbery. So chances are he's feeling the desperation of what Falcone was telling Bruce at the bar. He's making mistakes and taking chances just so he can afford to not be evicted from his apartment and keep food on the table for him and his pregnant wife, and keep money in his pockets.

I think "Begins" is only a setup for his origin story.

If his origin story is not shown I'll be pissed, but if they can show some little flashes of how he came to be I'd accept that.

But he uses a Joker card before Begins ends. And it would be very lame if the guy used a Joker card as a calling card, before coincidentally coming to look like a clown. He's already the Joker.

Personally, I kinda like the idea of him giving multiple tales to different people about his origins. He tells Batman his daddy beat him, he tells the court he was an orphan, he tells a young blonde psychiatrist at Arkham the TKJ story, etc.

 

[AnimeJune]

You lie!


You'll hit nothing! nothing except Bettany's fist...with your face.

Whoa there....er, I take it you're not a fan of Jennifer Connoly? Thought Labyrinthe was cheesy? Thought Some Girls was only good because Patrick Dempsey was in it? Didn't like her in Beautiful Mind or that House of Sand and Fog movie?

 

[Ronny Shade]

Whoa there....er, I take it you're not a fan of Jennifer Connoly? Thought Labyrinthe was cheesy? Thought Some Girls was only good because Patrick Dempsey was in it? Didn't like her in Beautiful Mind or that House of Sand and Fog movie?

Jennifer Connely is awesome. But Norm shouldn't cheat on Paul .

Unfortunately, I never saw Labyrinth. I also never saw Beautiful Mind or House of Sand and Fog. And remember? I've never seen anything with Dempsey in it.

She kicked tail in Dark City and Hulk, tho.

 

[AnimeJune]

Jennifer Connely is awesome. But Norm shouldn't cheat on Paul .

Unfortunately, I never saw Labyrinth. I also never saw Beautiful Mind or House of Sand and Fog. And remember? I've never seen anything with Dempsey in it.

She kicked tail in Dark City and Hulk, tho.

I forgot she was in Hulk. Actually, I'd like to forget that anyone was in Hulk - because it was a terrible movie populated by fantastic actors.

When a movie gets to the point when they're ripping off scenes from Beauty and the Beast, and having Hulk bounce through the desert like one of Disney's Gummi Bears, that's when I know they've run out of ideas.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Quilence.

Ang Lee never runs out of ideas.

 

[AnimeJune]

Quilence.

Ang Lee never runs out of ideas.

Did he write it? No. In my opinion, he went too cerebral with the whole depiction of the Hulk character. I mean - HULK POODLES? You could be a 9-time Academy Award winning director, and you still wouldn't be able to make that idea look good.

 

[DV8]

But he uses a Joker card before Begins ends. And it would be very lame if the guy used a Joker card as a calling card, before coincidentally coming to look like a clown. He's already the Joker.

Personally, I kinda like the idea of him giving multiple tales to different people about his origins. He tells Batman his daddy beat him, he tells the court he was an orphan, he tells a young blonde psychiatrist at Arkham the TKJ story, etc.

yeah . . . I think the different origins would be good . . . possibly even leading up to a revealing conclusion of what really happened to him, as discerned by Bats and Dent . . . hmmmmmmm

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Did he write it? No. In my opinion, he went too cerebral with the whole depiction of the Hulk character. I mean - HULK POODLES? You could be a 9-time Academy Award winning director, and you still wouldn't be able to make that idea look good.

Hey Junie. Missed ya yesterday.

Okay, so Hulk Poodles are totally goofy. No arguments there - hence my custom title.

But I actually thought Hulk was a very good movie. It dealt with some very meaty issues, and handled the character very respectfully. It was based more on the Peter David Hulk, but with Stan Lee flavor, none of which I'm likely to complain about.

Plus one of my best friends was a fan of Hulk when Peter David was writing it, and the reason was because my friend IS the Peter David Bruce Banner... the essentially decent, shy guy with very serious father issues and a horribly destructive temper. Basically I'm friends with Bruce Banner, and have been for 17 years.

Also, I very strongly suspect that one of my ex's would totally Hulk out if she was hit with gamma radiation. She was exactly like Bana's Bruce... quiet, uncomfortable with intimacy, couldn't share her feelings with anybody. There was a quiet anger in her that she never acknowledged. She wasn't that way when I met her, but one summer she was away for a couple of weeks and when she came back she wasn't the same anymore. I always wondered what happened to her. I had my suspicions, of course, but I'll never know.

But, anyway... yeah... Hulk? That's a pretty deep movie, if you ask me.

I think Marvel's mistake was the way they marketed it. They amped it up as some big superhero adventure in the style of Spider-Man... and it totally wasn't, nor should it have been, but in advertising it that way they set their audience up for a major let-down.

Oh, and Hulk's bouncing is lifted from the old comic books, I believe.

 

[StorminNorman]

Jennifer Connely is awesome. But Norm shouldn't cheat on Paul .

I would never cheat on Paul Now if I could get Connely AND Paul at the sametime, well lets just say...good times

 

[Ronny Shade]

Did he write it? No. In my opinion, he went too cerebral with the whole depiction of the Hulk character. I mean - HULK POODLES? You could be a 9-time Academy Award winning director, and you still wouldn't be able to make that idea look good.

"cerebral"??

...as in psychological? internal? mental? emotional struggle? Maybe I've been reading all the wrong Hulk comics (It's the scientist guy who turns into a big green monster, right?) but that's EXACTLY what Hulk is supposed to be.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Um so...is this thread now so far off topic that it is impossible to get back on topic? I am not getting upset or anything..I am just confused about what exactly is going on; lol.

 

[StorminNorman]

So...how about those Miami Heat?