The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

k just got back from watching TDK in IMAX....again

anyways toward te end of the movie i got this wierd feeling.....

does anyone see jimmy gordon (jim gordon's son) potentially being robin??

this being that nolan would b round long enough to adapt robin
 
k just got back from watching TDK in IMAX....again

anyways toward te end of the movie i got this wierd feeling.....

does anyone see jimmy gordon (jim gordon's son) potentially being robin??

this being that nolan would b round long enough to adapt robin
No, but I did think that Gordon's son may play a role in the next movie that is semi-important.
 
I can see that happening as a sort of replacement for Batgirl (Jim Gordon's daughter). The movies have done crazier things.

Do I want it? No. I like that Dick Grayson's tragedy mirror's Bruce's and that he ends up a more well adjusted person than Bruce in the end.

What I would like to see for Robin (at least at first) is just a kid (15 or so) relying on Batman's tech. He doesn't get his hands dirty by doing the hand to hand thing. He'd get schooled quick. Even Batman gets his licks and gets scars. I don't think it would be acceptable to show a kid being beat up like that.

This kid should serve as a sometimes distraction or a lookout. He'd use things like smoke bombs and tear gas or cut off the lights to a building. Things like that. When enemies are distracted like that, THEN I can see him quickly taking out people with hand to hand stuff or baterangs or a slingshot or something.
 
I just can't see them realistically putting Robin in the movie at all. Even the classic Dick Grayson story I can't see. I mean when you think about it, really think about it, why the hell would a billionaire playboy want to adopt a kid between the ages of 12 and 17? Other than he was family of a close friend who died or is somehow related to him it's just a really really creepy situation.

Now, I wouldn't mind them introducing someone like Tim Drake -- where he's already on his own an accomplished martial artist and a pretty good detective amongst other things -- to Bruce or Batman saving Tim and then later meeting him as Bruce at a banquet or something. That way it's there and established that they've met and that it potentially could go in that direction but it would never have to actually happen in the movies. Maybe even have Tim suggest that Batman needs someone to help him to Bruce not knowing they're the same person and Bruce kinda says some oddhand remark about how

eh whatever im too tired to finish this thought
 
silly fanboys, they wouldn't put gordons son as robin, he's just there to show pathos, not everything is a hint or just a character to be developed. and nightwing won't happen, batman has to be directly responsible and approve of the person, they can't just appear or he'd do to them what he did to the false batmen.
 
The movie begins at old warehouse by the docks where Two-Face has gathered all his hired guns to discuss an important matter. It appears that one of his men is actually a police informant and Two-Face wants to make an example out of him. The informant's name is Michael Drake and he pleads with Two-Face to forgive him saying that he has a wife and son. Two-Face replies with, "How sad, I had face. I am neither judge nor jury, *shows coin* THIS! is what decides the ultimate fate of all men. I am merely the executioner"

He flips his trademark coin, it lands on the scarred side and just as he is about to shoot him dead, a temporary wooden wall of the warehouse is blown apart as the Dark Knight roars in on his Bat-Pod (The informant had a final meeting with Gordon prior to this). A massive fight ensues and as Christian Bale dispatches all the thugs, the informant is unfortunately gunned down in the struggle and Aaron Eckhart escapes. The Batman checks his surroundings and curses himself for being so foolish as to jump right into the fray without prior planning. He was merely trying to save the life of the informant. As he kneels over his body, he hears a sound and sees a pair of eyes (of a young boy) looking towards him with fear. A terrible sense of Deja-Vu overcomes him and he leaves. The boy comes into full view, barely 18. He silently walks over to the body of William Drake and begins to cry. Only the surrounding darkness knows his grief. This boy is none other than Tim Drake.

Tim’s grief soon turns to anger as he vows to take revenge on his father’s killers and the Batman himself. He heads home but instead of sharing his grief with his mother, he decides to take a page out of the Batman’s book. He puts on some a leather jacket, jeans and a “Red Hood” (mask) to conceal his face. He grabs his father’s gun and a large butcher knife. Finally, he takes out a needle and a bottle labeled “Adrenaline” and injects it into his arm. Apparently, he is also a drug addict and the high he would receive would negate any physical pain. He sets of for an old hangout of Two Face’s thugs.
As one would suspect, he jumps into the fray. After the initial shock of getting attacked by a scrawny kid called the “Red Hood” had gone and one dead thug later. Tim Drake is brutally beaten up and left to die in a pool of his own blood.

Hours later, Batman sees him lying in the same comatose state. He removes his mask and recognizes him as the same boy from the docks. He checks for a pulse and after confirming that he was still alive has him rushed into a hospital. Tim Drake wakes up screaming and is surprised to find himself alive and well. He franticly turns around and notices none other than Bruce Wayne staring intently at him. Drake’s reaction, “Who the **** are you? What am I doing here?”

Bruce tells him about how he was merely driving around the city and found him lying in the middle of the road half-dead. He hoped someone was watching and decided to commit a good deed to fix his reputation with the public. Tim tells him he is a bigger bastard in person than on TV and Bruce thanks him for that. Keeping up with his spoilt good for nothing playboy image, Bruce decides to make big show telling everyone the “truth” and personally escorting him back to his mother (with a gaggle of reporters) so that the people see him as a hero. However, it all falls flat when it turns out his mother had committed suicide when her son did not return the previous night. Taking advantage of the fact that Mr. Wayne would no want to get his reputation tarnished, Tim turns to him with his hands folded and says, “OW pweese Meester Wayne. I gots no place to go. Won’t you take me to your beeg house.”

He says it with an extreme amount of sarcasm and disgust in his voice that only Bruce manages to catch. His motive was to merely find a safe place to stay, to think things over.
Thus, Bruce is now stuck with him and takes him to the Wayne Manor, which is still receiving the finishing touches. Bruce rarely speaks to him politely and Alfred hauls him up for it. At the same time Tim and Alfred become good friends since the latter feels Tim reminds him of Master Wayne before his parents died. Let’s cut it short and say Tim accidentally finds the Batcave and is naturally shocked by what he sees. Both exited and disgusted, Tim decides to steal some of his equipment and sabotage the others in his rage but not before Bruce finds him there and the two duke it out with Tim proving to be an able fighter considering he grew up on the streets, however he is no match for the Dark Knight who gives him a sound thrashing. Alfred is disturbed by this and breaking up the fight accusing Bruce of becoming what he hates the most.

Bruce tells Alfred that he is afraid Tim will end up on the same path he did or even worse in his path for revenge. It would consume him. Alfred tells Bruce that the only way out of this would be to groom him into someone who could compliment Bruce’s own crusade against the criminal element. He may look like a child but his mind is akin to that of a hitman. Bruce reluctantly agrees and trains him in the martial arts, criminology and detective skills. Considering his smaller stature Bruce decides to give a battle staff similar to those used by several martial artists. Lucius Fox presents him with a stealthier version (read more flexible and less heavy) of the Batsuit armor which was intended to be worn by pilots and recon troops. Finally a name is chosen, Robin is considered but after Tim complains that, “You want me to kill thugs by making them laugh?”
He is thus christened ‘Nightwing’

SO? WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Call it crap if you want but at least suggest something better.
I tried to combine all three robins just in case nobody got that.
Also, the mask would cover his entire face with only his hair visible. The costume would have no cape and Tim would have to work with Parkour/freerunning, something he picked up on the streets


GOOD NIGHT!

EDIT:
Also, Two-Face can easily be replaced with Tony Zucco and considering that we will hopefully see a Tumbler Mark II in the third movie, the Bat-Pod is slightly modified and turned into the Night-Cycle! Finally, Nightwing's fighting style should be more down and dirty as compared to Batman's martial arts. Finally, it would be better if they patrol the streets separately and keep each other informed of the current situation. And as someone mentioned before, Bruce can stay in the mansion while Tim can take the penthouse which would make the separate patrols a lot more feasible. Only during the main case during the movie do they team up

Another interesting angle would be be to present Nightwing as a highly trained assassin who has come to Gotham to rid the city of the now evil Batman (Remember, the press is ready to believe anything especially after TDK). Put up bit of a show, when Batman redeems himself in the public's eye, the assassin joins the Dark Knight's crusade against the criminal element


WHEW! Time for a joke
Finaly, if you cal him DICK grayson...

Bruce: Why do we fall DICK?
Dick: So we can learn to ERECT ourselves!

EDIT 2:

WARNING!!! MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!





How the party scene in TDK would change, say if my Robin was there

So basically, there are people asking him about what's it like living with such as social nightmare as Bruce Wayne and he laughs the things off and probably even says that he does have good qualities. He starts to get bored and asks Bruce when they can leave. He gets bit of a shock when Bruce goes, "Somethings up. He's coming, get Dent out of here"

Obviously Tim understands,goes to Dent and pretends to ask him for his autograph and l;leads him away from the party, knocks him out and stuffs him in the closet. He hears gunshots outside
The Joker walks in, "GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!"

The scene goes as usual with Bats confronting him and just as Bats leaps out the window to save Rachel, Nightwing walks in to prevent his escape. Joker laughs like an idiot, "HEY LOOK! It's mini-Batman! Boy, Bats is the manliest girl I've ever seen!"

Obviously Tim gets ticked of and attacks him but Joker and his men prove to much for him and is knocked out after getting beaten with a pipe (Death In The Family). Couple of minutes later, he escapes via a convenient line dangling just outside the roof. Batman and his pissed off expression is on the other end.


Absolute nonsense I know but something that popped in my head... sorry in adavance
 
they wont put nightwing in it, he's not as marketable a character as robin, the movies aren't made just for fans of the comics.
 
I just can't see them realistically putting Robin in the movie at all. Even the classic Dick Grayson story I can't see. I mean when you think about it, really think about it, why the hell would a billionaire playboy want to adopt a kid between the ages of 12 and 17? Other than he was family of a close friend who died or is somehow related to him it's just a really really creepy situation.

Now, I wouldn't mind them introducing someone like Tim Drake -- where he's already on his own an accomplished martial artist and a pretty good detective amongst other things -- to Bruce or Batman saving Tim and then later meeting him as Bruce at a banquet or something. That way it's there and established that they've met and that it potentially could go in that direction but it would never have to actually happen in the movies. Maybe even have Tim suggest that Batman needs someone to help him to Bruce not knowing they're the same person and Bruce kinda says some oddhand remark about how

eh whatever im too tired to finish this thought

Well Bruce takes him in because his tragedy mirror's Bruce's. Bruce pretty much becomes to Dick what Ducard/Ra's was to him, just at an earlier age. It's something I'd love to see in the movies. The student becoming the master. If anything that's a good enough reason to put Robin in the movies.
 
Wow! You just rocked my fragile little mind with that argument! You're right! I change my opinion! No Robin!
 
Well Bruce takes him in because his tragedy mirror's Bruce's. Bruce pretty much becomes to Dick what Ducard/Ra's was to him, just at an earlier age. It's something I'd love to see in the movies. The student becoming the master. If anything that's a good enough reason to put Robin in the movies.

Oh, I get that, but the whole Batman/Robin thing has been around for 50+ years. In this day and age the whole "hey, I'll just adopt this kid when I'm a bilionaire playboy" thing is super sketch.
 
If Robin HAD to be used (I'm against his inclusion), here's how I would do it:

-I would use Dick Grayson. I think the circus scene could be incredibly powerful under Nolan's direction.
-Grayson is a kid, no more than 10 years old.
-Include the scene from Dark Victory where Dick is going through Bruce's parents room with Alfred watching.
-Have Dick discover Bruce is Batman, not the other way around. Bruce did not take Dick in to mold a child into his side kick.
-If he does become Bruce's partner, no costume. Dick is nothing more than a scout, and doesn't need a costume beyond inconspicuous clothing.
-Preferably, Dick doesn't get outside the cave at all. Show Bruce training him, ala Bruce/Ra's, but with more focus on acceptance. Bruce doesn't want to create another Batman, he wants to create a city where Batman isn't necessary.

This satisfies the father/growth aspect of Bruce's character without creating an unrealistic 10 year old crime fighter.
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Yeah but I can see him thinking that because this kid experienced exactly the same thing that he has that he may head down the same road. The thing is the kid doesn't have the same privileges that he does. He doesn't have guidance like Alfred and he'll probably want revenge as much as Bruce did when he was his age. The thing is Bruce had the resources to do everything he wanted/needed to and in the end he was still going to murder the man that murdered his parents.

Bruce has already seen the errors of his ways and was taught something better. Maybe he'll want to instill that in this boy so he becomes a future solution and not a future problem. This may start out as your basic academic stuff but this kid may be a handful and actually go out looking for this guy himself. Eventually he tells Bruce that he can punish him all he wants but he's still going to find a way out and avenge his parents (ESPECIALLY after learning Bruce's identity. Now the guy just looks like a hypocrite.). Bruce figures that if this kid is going to do this then he might as well be trained and guided so he doesn't become a killer (like Ra's).

See? Everything can be explained if you look into it beyond "Why would Batman bring around a little boy?!". Ever stopped to think that that little boy may become another Joe Chill or Ra's Al Ghul?

What I'd like is for his missions out with Batman to be training missions of some sort. Watching a master at work and learning. He'll be far enough away from trouble with binoculars and things like that and maybe help with technical issues. I can see a situation in the end where he'd have to get involved physically though.
 
Yeah but I can see him thinking that because this kid experienced exactly the same thing that he has that he may head down the same road. The thing is the kid doesn't have the same privileges that he does. He doesn't have guidance like Alfred and he'll probably want revenge as much as Bruce did when he was his age. The thing is Bruce had the resources to do everything he wanted/needed to and in the end he was still going to murder the man that murdered his parents.

Bruce has already seen the errors of his ways and was taught something better. Maybe he'll want to instill that in this boy so he becomes a future solution and not a future problem. This may start out as your basic academic stuff but this kid may be a handful and actually go out looking for this guy himself. Eventually he tells Bruce that he can punish him all he wants but he's still going to find a way out and avenge his parents (ESPECIALLY after learning Bruce's identity. Now the guy just looks like a hypocrite.). Bruce figures that if this kid is going to do this then he might as well be trained and guided so he doesn't become a killer (like Ra's).

See? Everything can be explained if you look into it beyond "Why would Batman bring around a little boy?!". Ever stopped to think that that little boy may become another Joe Chill or Ra's Al Ghul?

What I'd like is for his missions out with Batman to be training missions of some sort. Watching a master at work and learning. He'll be far enough away from trouble with binoculars and things like that and maybe help with technical issues. I can see a situation in the end where he'd have to get involved physically though.

Exactly. Besides, if Dick does get into the action, they could easily have him use wits and subterfuge... Not unlike what Batman did in Begins.
 
i think his reasoning for brining dick in is that he realizes that he might be killed before gotham is saved and needs someone to carry on his crusade, and show gotham that he's inspiring good.
 
The only thing I would like to see is in the third film at the end, Bruce retires from being Batman and then adopts an orphan named Dick. He can enjoy the rest of his life being a father.
 
That would be a little out of character, don't you think?
 
See, the filmmakers attempted to put Robin in "Batman" and "Batman Returns", but realized that he just didn't fit into the dark world they were creating.

After "Batman Returns" was deemed too dark, and WB decided to go with a lighter tone, they were able to use Robin. It made sense.

However, that's not going to happen with this franchise. WB knows that Nolan is doing well with these movies, and they don't plan to make the franchise go in a different direction and make it "lighter".

Bottom line, Robin just does not fit into these darker films. It would come off as extremely silly.
 
I think they should just skip robin and bring nightwing in. They could make dick grayson as a separate vilgliante in the movie. And batman accepts him at the end of the movie finding out he very similar to him.
 
Ok,Nightwing is pretty cool,But he wouldnt just Come in to the storyline!There has to be a reason to the fact he was nightwing.
 
nightwing is just a less tragic, less interesting batman. robin is a part of batman, a part he needs.
 

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