The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

Robin should not wear a full headcover, just like Batman shouldn't have his ears removed.

Robin hasn't used flashy colors for QUITE some time now. Come out of the 70s.

Robin's main weapon is misdirection, which he uses quite well without being scary.

Robin's colors are not too bright to be changed, so the colors don't even present the slightest problem. I am continually amazed that people find this to be a major issue.
 
With the already establish mindset of the first post the second post could simply reinforce what the first post said. You never said how it would ruin the dark.

Now as for the general public, there are kind of two mindsets that go hand and hand. The public knows a lot about batman already and his established lone warrior fighting is well known. Batman 89 and Returns was a huge jump into darkness and the audience generally know that Batman can be taken seriously, however not when Robin is in the picture.

Whenever Batman is alone it is dark and when he is with a partner it gets lighter. Robin takes away Batman's independence and makes him dependent and like a father taking care of a son. Robin's only good use was to bring more tragedy into his life, DKR and A Death in the Family. Robin also takes away that self reliance and determination by having Robin be his back up.

When Batman fights and overcomes insanity and corruption through his own morals that is more heroic then having Robin save him when he needs it.

As for Two-face we don't even know if he is going to be good. We might see Tommy Lee Jones two. (no pun intended) However, ever wonder why they are downplaying the Two-face character in the hype?

Lad you mentioned DKR and in that they had Robin and it didn't take away the darkness of it or Batman's independence, Batman seemed in charge and Robin was his apprentice/soldier.
 
I just don't believe in Robin anymore. Sry. I meant to say he should wear a full head cover. Robin uses to flashy of colors. Batman's main weapon is fear and robin is not that scary. Dick Grayson could work as robin for a while without the flashy suit and then he would have to take over the role as nightwing(no crazy colors on his suit).

A professional thief is breaking into a warehouse when he hears a giggle. He turns around and there's what look like a freaking kid standing there smiling in the darkness. The thief knows that he's basically fcked and that Batman must be somewhere close behind. Robins respect comes from the fact that Batman chooses to keep him around, he must be a pretty hardcore little dude for that. So even when crooks see him on his own they're not scared by his grim demeanor or bogeyman appearance but by the fact that this guy is capable of showing up and kicking your arse and catwheeling out the window like it was nothing. The flashy suit is part of the ballsiness of it, he's basically laughing in their faces. And as GL1 says it's part of his tactic to throw people off. Nothing about dressing in dark colours makes you a more capable or even much more of a stealthier fighter. He'll still be a shadow in the dark. With a bigger shadow following behind him. Another aspect of the colours is to project a certain image to the citizens he meets.
 
A little kid. Come on. He would have to be very good. Im talking better than batman. I do like the red and black costume.
 
Robin is a tough one. I am a HUGE fan of the character though, so I'll post bits of what I said in another thread bout how they could adapt Robin without really taking away the realism as seen so far in the new "Nolanverse".

The two movies featuring Robin in the nineties were an unfortunate mistake and were not approached correctly. In my opinion, they cast the character far too old and was horribly written (not to say the rest of the characters were written well either, the movies were horrible examples of what not to do, ever.). I think within the Begins mythos that there are one needs to approach the Robin issue more realistic. Granted, a time skip is needed of course, since the first two movies take place in Batman's relative, well, beginnings.

When the time is appropriate, one could go the classic Richard “Dick” Grayson loosing his parents due to the mob (or whoever). Whether or not he jumps right into the Robin role, I am quite hesitant to say, but I think it would be interesting dynamic to have the brooding playboy find a literal mini-me, NOT the "gee whiz" ball of energy and hotpants we peg him as in real life. I think this series Robin should be a lot like Bruce, not angry and cocky, but kinda withdrawn and sullen but has the capacity to be charming as we all know Dick eventually turns into quite the ladies man, if not man****e of DC.

But, that’s just me. I have tons of ideas, not saying they're any good or obviously useful, but it needs to be thought out. This is where they need to write the story well, since the original sudden adoption of Dick in the comics eventually brought accusations of homosexuality, (hence the creation of Batwoman and the first Batgirl) and the idea that Bruce would, within short notice, take care of the boy out of the blue, is something that can be seen as somewhat perverse and ridiculous and needs to be treated just as careful as the character itself. It’s hard to imagine anyone let an adolescent or teenager fight unless they do so without any disregard to what their elders think or tell them to do.

Now, to move around this, they could do a few things, such as tinkering with the mythos and perhaps merging various aspects of the multiple Robins as seen in the animated series, where they had blended the characters of Jason Todd and the current DC Robin, Tim Drake, together underneath the identity of the latter and omitting the former completely. I’m not saying to change Dick’s character all the way, but perhaps alter how he ends up under Bruce’s care, or as Robin. Either or, or both.

In past incarnations, Bruce Wayne has always been present at the Flying Graysons’ deadly circus performance (pretty sure he was), and I think perhaps by creating a scenario where he isn’t present could be an interesting way to go. Perhaps it is the classic scenario; a double murder/accident, but is more something that is all over the news due to speculation of mob involved sabotage and assassination. From there, the newly orphaned Dick could appear into Bruce’s life in some other way. Here I imagine a far more realistic route would be to humanize the relationship far more. Have them meet and form a bond far before any "Robin" would manifest. I had the idea that Dr. Leslie Thompkins, being the benevolent person that she is within the Bat family and associates, could perhaps have ended up fostering Dick by coincidence since the boy is under eighteen. As a side note, within the new movie mythos, I would imagine the best age frame for Robin would be anywhere between thirteen to fifteen, but nothing older than that as it seems fitting and is closer to when a lot of people actually do encounter that teenage "angst" or undergo a personality change. The age though is more or less an estimate to when all Robins in canon and non-canon take up the mask, it's probably younger *shudder*.

Anyway, by being under the care of Leslie, at her office, etc, he would eventually meet Bruce Wayne through association, perhaps a day visit or demi-Batman related visit for discreet medical treatment. There Bruce could see himself in the distant Dick. Leslie, noticing the similarities as well, would push Bruce to attempt to talk to Dick about his own experience in loosing parents, and the relationship between the two could start from there maybe?

Maybe Dick would then on his own pull a mini Bruce and tryto thwart small crime to draw the presses’ (and Batman's attention, to ultimately help him prove that his parents death was NOT an accident) since I would assume any orphaned child would want attention as well. His antics could possibly cause more (major) trouble than the crime he attempts to foil. I'm imagining causing a large traffic accident in particular, being caught dangling from a grapling hook swaying in traffic, nearly getting hit by a car, both somewhat funny, but serious in a " Oh don't go and do that!" kinda pathetic way. They make grapling from building to building look far to easy, I'd love to see them poke fun at that. Batman was not perfect in Begins, so a boy should be even more inept, despite his unusual acrobatic skills for his age.... so yeah maybe his antics ultimately then DOES catch Batman’s attention, who corners the scrappy boy after a slew of botched attempts to be a hero. It could be edgier and poke fun at the ridiculous idea that a teenager could fight crime the way Robin is portrayed to do. It then gets really serious when the boy attempts to follow Batman somewhere and actually meddles in affairs. I dunno, just a suggestion.

I wouldn't mind a costume change, same colors, just darker maybe? More cloth, less skintight, I dunno. I have a hard time imagining any of the Robin costumes except maybe a variation of the red and black one from the animated series and in the current DC mainstream. I do like the idea of a really quiet and sullen Dick, ever more reason to make Robin a complete personality opposite, exuberant and scrappy.

I liked the Tim Drake Robin from the later seasons of the first animated series ( the teeny tiny Robin) and how he ended up under the domino mask (totally disobeying Batman, of course). I'm not sure how well that would translate to the "Nolanverse" but I like that particular version's personality and wouldn't mind if that they could inject a little of that in the Begins version of Dick when he's in the costume as opposed to the shy and depressed teenager in real life. It's a total performance, just like how he was in the circus. A dual act just like Bruce, just a bit different.
 
A professional thief is breaking into a warehouse when he hears a giggle. He turns around and there's what look like a freaking kid standing there smiling in the darkness. The thief knows that he's basically fcked and that Batman must be somewhere close behind. Robins respect comes from the fact that Batman chooses to keep him around, he must be a pretty hardcore little dude for that. So even when crooks see him on his own they're not scared by his grim demeanor or bogeyman appearance but by the fact that this guy is capable of showing up and kicking your arse and catwheeling out the window like it was nothing. The flashy suit is part of the ballsiness of it, he's basically laughing in their faces. And as GL1 says it's part of his tactic to throw people off. Nothing about dressing in dark colours makes you a more capable or even much more of a stealthier fighter. He'll still be a shadow in the dark. With a bigger shadow following behind him. Another aspect of the colours is to project a certain image to the citizens he meets.

I really liked that a lot. Also, I think it would work really well if Robin wasn't really seen at all until Batman scared the crap out of the guys he's taking down and then Robin either slowly helped take them out one by one in the shadows, or even just jumped into it when the guys are running around freaked out and took them down then. It would only really work if Robin was really quick and really acrobatic with his attacks, like some of the comics show him landing on their shoulders and flipping them over onto their heads or something. Again, he would have to have the black outside of the cape, but I think a dark yellow on the inside would still look cool. and going with Tim Drake's red and black costume would be cool.
 
Another notable thing is that I believe that Dick is a better natural athlete than Bruce, since Dick was raised as an acrobat from a very young age. (There's a line from BTAS where he says "I learned how to walk on a high wire.") So Dick should be able to pick up the fight training relatively quickly.
 
I like some of the ideas here. I still think its silly to have a teenaged boy fighting as a vigilante hand to hand, and really can't sign on for that, which, I think is why Bale says/feels what he says about Robin.

The goal should be to Adapt Dick Grayson, something which the movies have done a bit of here and there already. If Grayson is a non-combatant, even if costumed, then the movie can make sense... but there's no way for a teenager to be a vigilante and survive, much less in Gotham. And theres no way Bruce would make that a goal... its conceivable that Bruce might train an errand boy, maybe even an apprentice and eventual replacement, but not a sidekick... that's illogical.
 
You people don't seem to get how ****ing creepy and dark it is for a millionaire who goes out as a vigilante to enlist a minor to do his work..teach him to fight, to maim crooks, etc. The subject matter alone is worth a hard PG-13.
 
- Would Robin even need a cape? Sure it's part of his classic costume (until recently :cwink:) but in BB the only reason Batman has a cape is to glide around. If Robin copies this trick it will make Batman less distinctive - while Robin could rely on a more unique mode of transport (freerunning!)
Same goes for the bandit mask, it wouldn't work, but is there any alternative?
Dude, Gliding > Freerunning.

How can you even compare those things? Robins needs a cape. Maybe a different design, but he needs one.
 
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His costume wouldn't even need to be a bright red. A dark reddish brown would suffice.
 
GL1's idea of doing an intepretation of Dick Grayson is spot on for Nolan's series.

Essentially, just flip the situations around that were in Batman Begins. Bruce is Alfred and Dick Grayson was Bruce. Either way, it gives us a chance to see what this tragedy does to Bruce and to see him learn.

I don't think it's actually neccessary to see Robin fully formed in Nolan's world. But, he could hint at it...especially since we're getting thematic hints in the Dark Knight of Bruce trying to rid himself of Batman and the fact that at the end he accepts the mantle of the Batman reluctantly. That could lead to a story thread of knowing that he can't do this forever and that Grayson, since they are cut from the same cloth, could fulfill his role later on down the road.

And with that, you have the start of a new franchise...Nightwing.

Either way, Robin can be done without actually doing Robin as most know him. Essentially, it would still be Batman solo, but the character of Bruce Wayne could be different with this introduction of Dick.
 
Another random thought, going off of what some of you have said as well as the whole 'horror movie-like' scene from Begins.

Robin could be that creepy kid from horror movies. Y'know? Bad guys looking around all paranoid, they look up and see this kid draped in black with black around his eyes. They start yelling questions, and Grayson slowly puts his finger to his lips in the 'shush' motion. There's a klang elsewhere, they turn to look and he's gone. He could be like Batman's herald or something.

"First you hear the bats... then you see the kid... then... you don't see nuffin."
 
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Can't remember who it was, but someone on these boards came up with these Robin costume concepts based off of the BB League of Shadows ninja garb. Were Robin to appear, I would go for a similar design.

I agree with Adam West, incorporate elements of all three Robins origins. An acrobat whose parents are killed, he runs away from the circus, figuring he will exact revenge on his parents killers. Batman is on the case, and by chance saves Robin from getting killed. He first drops him off with Leslie Thompkins, but when he runs away again, Bruce is forced to take him in to rein him in.

I would figure a good age range would be 14-16. Young enough where he needs a mentor, not so young as to be creepy.

look too much like batman
 
Robin is a tough one. I am a HUGE fan of the character though, so I'll post bits of what I said in another thread bout how they could adapt Robin without really taking away the realism as seen so far in the new "Nolanverse".

The two movies featuring Robin in the nineties were an unfortunate mistake and were not approached correctly. In my opinion, they cast the character far too old and was horribly written (not to say the rest of the characters were written well either, the movies were horrible examples of what not to do, ever.). I think within the Begins mythos that there are one needs to approach the Robin issue more realistic. Granted, a time skip is needed of course, since the first two movies take place in Batman's relative, well, beginnings.

When the time is appropriate, one could go the classic Richard “Dick” Grayson loosing his parents due to the mob (or whoever). Whether or not he jumps right into the Robin role, I am quite hesitant to say, but I think it would be interesting dynamic to have the brooding playboy find a literal mini-me, NOT the "gee whiz" ball of energy and hotpants we peg him as in real life. I think this series Robin should be a lot like Bruce, not angry and cocky, but kinda withdrawn and sullen but has the capacity to be charming as we all know Dick eventually turns into quite the ladies man, if not man****e of DC.

But, that’s just me. I have tons of ideas, not saying they're any good or obviously useful, but it needs to be thought out. This is where they need to write the story well, since the original sudden adoption of Dick in the comics eventually brought accusations of homosexuality, (hence the creation of Batwoman and the first Batgirl) and the idea that Bruce would, within short notice, take care of the boy out of the blue, is something that can be seen as somewhat perverse and ridiculous and needs to be treated just as careful as the character itself. It’s hard to imagine anyone let an adolescent or teenager fight unless they do so without any disregard to what their elders think or tell them to do.

Now, to move around this, they could do a few things, such as tinkering with the mythos and perhaps merging various aspects of the multiple Robins as seen in the animated series, where they had blended the characters of Jason Todd and the current DC Robin, Tim Drake, together underneath the identity of the latter and omitting the former completely. I’m not saying to change Dick’s character all the way, but perhaps alter how he ends up under Bruce’s care, or as Robin. Either or, or both.

In past incarnations, Bruce Wayne has always been present at the Flying Graysons’ deadly circus performance (pretty sure he was), and I think perhaps by creating a scenario where he isn’t present could be an interesting way to go. Perhaps it is the classic scenario; a double murder/accident, but is more something that is all over the news due to speculation of mob involved sabotage and assassination. From there, the newly orphaned Dick could appear into Bruce’s life in some other way. Here I imagine a far more realistic route would be to humanize the relationship far more. Have them meet and form a bond far before any "Robin" would manifest. I had the idea that Dr. Leslie Thompkins, being the benevolent person that she is within the Bat family and associates, could perhaps have ended up fostering Dick by coincidence since the boy is under eighteen. As a side note, within the new movie mythos, I would imagine the best age frame for Robin would be anywhere between thirteen to fifteen, but nothing older than that as it seems fitting and is closer to when a lot of people actually do encounter that teenage "angst" or undergo a personality change. The age though is more or less an estimate to when all Robins in canon and non-canon take up the mask, it's probably younger *shudder*.

Anyway, by being under the care of Leslie, at her office, etc, he would eventually meet Bruce Wayne through association, perhaps a day visit or demi-Batman related visit for discreet medical treatment. There Bruce could see himself in the distant Dick. Leslie, noticing the similarities as well, would push Bruce to attempt to talk to Dick about his own experience in loosing parents, and the relationship between the two could start from there maybe?

Maybe Dick would then on his own pull a mini Bruce and tryto thwart small crime to draw the presses’ (and Batman's attention, to ultimately help him prove that his parents death was NOT an accident) since I would assume any orphaned child would want attention as well. His antics could possibly cause more (major) trouble than the crime he attempts to foil. I'm imagining causing a large traffic accident in particular, being caught dangling from a grapling hook swaying in traffic, nearly getting hit by a car, both somewhat funny, but serious in a " Oh don't go and do that!" kinda pathetic way. They make grapling from building to building look far to easy, I'd love to see them poke fun at that. Batman was not perfect in Begins, so a boy should be even more inept, despite his unusual acrobatic skills for his age.... so yeah maybe his antics ultimately then DOES catch Batman’s attention, who corners the scrappy boy after a slew of botched attempts to be a hero. It could be edgier and poke fun at the ridiculous idea that a teenager could fight crime the way Robin is portrayed to do. It then gets really serious when the boy attempts to follow Batman somewhere and actually meddles in affairs. I dunno, just a suggestion.

I wouldn't mind a costume change, same colors, just darker maybe? More cloth, less skintight, I dunno. I have a hard time imagining any of the Robin costumes except maybe a variation of the red and black one from the animated series and in the current DC mainstream. I do like the idea of a really quiet and sullen Dick, ever more reason to make Robin a complete personality opposite, exuberant and scrappy.

I liked the Tim Drake Robin from the later seasons of the first animated series ( the teeny tiny Robin) and how he ended up under the domino mask (totally disobeying Batman, of course). I'm not sure how well that would translate to the "Nolanverse" but I like that particular version's personality and wouldn't mind if that they could inject a little of that in the Begins version of Dick when he's in the costume as opposed to the shy and depressed teenager in real life. It's a total performance, just like how he was in the circus. A dual act just like Bruce, just a bit different.

You have a few really good ideas, like Dick being cared for by Leslie Thompkins intially. I think Batman:TAS did a great job of having Dick and Batman run into conflict by both trying to solve the murder of Dick's parents. Young Dick was very much like how Bruce was in BB, scrappy, fearless, and searching for justice. That's what Batman see's in Dick that makes him want to take him under his wing. The same way Bruce needed Al Ghul to mold him, Dick is in need of the same instruction and guidence.
 
I think I'd have Bruce present at the circus, but not adopt him right away. Blend it with the Jason Todd origin, so you now have Dick trying to steal parts off the Batmobile/Tumbler. That way you'd have Batman realizing that by not taking in Dick, he was letting him fall into the filth of the city.
 
i think robin is best done in Dark Victory, how alfred guilts batman into going to the circus where he sees the graysons get killed (by a gangster weakening the ropes, not the main villain), but from here take the all star route, bruce puts on the suit and goes back to see if it was an accident or not, once there he sees a gangster trying to sloppily finish the job by shooting dick, batman grabs him and takes him away, furthering the theme established in TDK of how the public will think bats is a criminal, because it looked like he kidnapped the now famous "circus orphan."
he shouldn't become robin in that film, but in the next, his suit is made from a prototype kevlar cloth tuic, red with yellow clips.
prototype bright yellow goggles, an upgraded version of the sonar lenses that are two obnoxious to fit on the cowl, but with a full computer interface.
the shoulders of the current costume and the gauntlets but with damien wayne's brass knuckles, both are dark green.
green kevlar tight pants that look like what tony stark wore under his iron man suit, a neck guard like tim's suit, a hooded, unscalloped cape, and black boots with a a spur-like blade on the back that is for tight situations and echoes the original robin's pixie shoes.
its in that color scheme so that it could be made w/o suspicion, all these things are made for bruce, but are just prototypes of fox's that bruce keeps.
bruce lies and says that batman drops dick off at an orphanage , too which the administration attests too due to financial persuasion, and bruce ups his image by adopting him, having the press see it as a good pr move.
the public never notices that robin is dick b/c they only see him w/ the hood and the glo off the goggles, they don't know what he is.
 
I honestly don't want to see a Robin-type costume unless it's in the direction of Begins and The Dark Knight's suits. I don't want to see parts on a costume any random jerk can grab and that would be the end of that. I honestly think he should just start as Nightwing for when he physically fights crime and if as Robin, that should be a different sort of persona or hinted at. It's highly doubtful Bruce would EVER let a younger person run around doing his job with/for him, letalone in a costume that is EASILY abuseable and dealt with.

The Nightwing manip shown with black and blue is perfect. That should be where "Robin" is at in terms of a physical manifestation. Otherwise, I don't want to see frilly panties, booties people can make off with, collars and tunic flairs that can be grabbed or hooked onto or short-sleeves for that matter.
 

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