The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

[ron bond 007]

Does anybody agree with my opinion though that Batman needs Robin and that Robin could be done in the Nolan films especially a third one and he could be Dick Grayson but be based on Tim Drake,the Dark Victory Robin or Robin from Batman:TAS??

 

[cerealkiller182]

Are you even reading this thread?

 

[CaptainClown]

The pronoun it refers to inanimate objects not people as well as the most recent noun used thus Nolan's movies. And you said in neither case was i clear when i was obiously clear in my second post.



So.....

The general public still know that Batman has a sidekick Robin. Thats all they need to know because the general audience probably also thought Batman was a guy dressed as a bat fighting crime but were pleasantly surprised when BB was more dramatic.



My argumentis that Robin represents what Batman is fighting for thematically as well as the future of the Batman as a symbol. Its easy to understand but you seem to think that his one and only use was to make Batman kid friendly and thats all he'll be good for.



Well if Batman and Two Face can have a revival why cant Robin? Schumacher has long been forgotten. And every bad element of Batman and Robin was overshadowed by Arnold. And if anyone has anything good to say about those movies it tends to be about Chris O'Donnell

With the already establish mindset of the first post the second post could simply reinforce what the first post said. You never said how it would ruin the dark.

Now as for the general public, there are kind of two mindsets that go hand and hand. The public knows a lot about batman already and his established lone warrior fighting is well known. Batman 89 and Returns was a huge jump into darkness and the audience generally know that Batman can be taken seriously, however not when Robin is in the picture.

Whenever Batman is alone it is dark and when he is with a partner it gets lighter. Robin takes away Batman's independence and makes him dependent and like a father taking care of a son. Robin's only good use was to bring more tragedy into his life, DKR and A Death in the Family. Robin also takes away that self reliance and determination by having Robin be his back up.

When Batman fights and overcomes insanity and corruption through his own morals that is more heroic then having Robin save him when he needs it.

As for Two-face we don't even know if he is going to be good. We might see Tommy Lee Jones two. (no pun intended) However, ever wonder why they are downplaying the Two-face character in the hype?

 

[cerealkiller182]

With the already establish mindset of the first post the second post could simply reinforce what the first post said. You never said how it would ruin the dark.

Now as for the general public, there are kind of two mindsets that go hand and hand. The public knows a lot about batman already and his established lone warrior fighting is well known. Batman 89 and Returns was a huge jump into darkness and the audience generally know that Batman can be taken seriously, however not when Robin is in the picture.

Whenever Batman is alone it is dark and when he is with a partner it gets lighter. Robin takes away Batman's independence and makes him dependent and like a father taking care of a son. Robin's only good use was to bring more tragedy into his life, DKR and A Death in the Family. Robin also takes away that self reliance and determination by having Robin be his back up.

When Batman fights and overcomes insanity and corruption through his own morals that is more heroic then having Robin save him when he needs it.

The fact that Batman needs help from Robin makes him seem weak or unheroic is full of holes since both Gordon and Alfred have already helped him and a partnership with Dent is rumored.So hes hardly lone.

And Robin is more of a trainee and an extra pair of hands to do easy stuff. Hes not used to rush in and stop the gang that is oerpowering Batman.Thats why Robin has his own series and the Titans in the comics because he doesnt always get the chance to spotlight himself in the Bat solos.

Robin works very well in the comics with little to no suspenison of disbelief. He adds drama to Bruce's isolation and recent trust issues in the DC, seres as a trainee to take over for Bruce in the future, symbol of innocent and what Bat is fighting for (Bats need the night, Robins need the light, and helps Batman balance his dark side with his light side, which was a specific reason for why Tim Drake came in. Both Alfred and Dick encouraged Bruce to find a Robin.

As for Two-face we don't even know if he is going to be good. We might see Tommy Lee Jones two. (no pun intended) However, ever wonder why they are downplaying the Two-face character in the hype?

Downplaying Two Face but hyping Dent because hes Dent for most of the movie. Has nothing to do with the quality of Two Face

 

[CaptainClown]

The fact that Batman needs help from Robin makes him seem weak or unheroic is full of holes since both Gordon and Alfred have already helped him and a partnership with Dent is rumored.So hes hardly lone.

And Robin is more of a trainee and an extra pair of hands to do easy stuff. Hes not used to rush in and stop the gang that is oerpowering Batman.Thats why Robin has his own series and the Titans in the comics because he doesnt always get the chance to spotlight himself in the Bat solos.

Robin works very well in the comics with little to no suspenison of disbelief. He adds drama to Bruce's isolation and recent trust issues in the DC, seres as a trainee to take over for Bruce in the future, symbol of innocent and what Bat is fighting for (Bats need the night, Robins need the light, and helps Batman balance his dark side with his light side, which was a specific reason for why Tim Drake came in. Both Alfred and Dick encouraged Bruce to find a Robin.



Downplaying Two Face but hyping Dent because hes Dent for most of the movie. Has nothing to do with the quality of Two Face

Gordon and Alfred provide different things though. Alfred is the father figure who gives insight to the mission and Gordon is the relationship with the cops. Robin is on the same level as Batman as he is on the streets with Batman. When Batman gets hurt he counts on Robin coming to save him. When Alfred helps him it is like a father helping his son who has fallen. The differences are greatly different. His partnership with Dent is also purely on a legislative side of the law, they both want the same thing just go about it in different ways. Robin is Batman light and doesn't introduce a new way of how Batman does things.

Robin is hardly a trainee, he fights as if he has been doing it for years. That is why he has his own series. That is why he is the head of the Teen Titans. Robin is not learning the ropes and has typically always been portrayed as season. Hell Robin in Batman and Robin All Star almost kills Green Lantern the guy has evolved as you put it before.

It does take suspension of disbelief that a 12 year old kid is fighting criminals that are 20-35. I don't know about you but 12 year olds I have seen and met even the tough ones simply don't have the moxy to fight grown men.

Robin works very well in the comics with little to no suspenison of disbelief. He adds drama to Bruce's isolation and recent trust issues in the DC, seres as a trainee to take over for Bruce in the future, symbol of innocent and what Bat is fighting for (Bats need the night, Robins need the light, and helps Batman balance his dark side with his light side, which was a specific reason for why Tim Drake came in. Both Alfred and Dick encouraged Bruce to find a Robin.

And that completely goes against what you said about him ruining the dark presence in the Batman Series. His purpose is to bring the light like you said.

People also have no idea who Harvey Dent is. So many people are asking me why Harvey Dent is significant and why is he shown so much in the trailer. Batman Forever just showed Two-face not Harvey.(well kind of for a second)

 

[cerealkiller182]

Gordon and Alfred provide different things though. Alfred is the father figure who gives insight to the mission and Gordon is the relationship with the cops. Robin is on the same level as Batman as he is on the streets with Batman. When Batman gets hurt he counts on Robin coming to save him. When Alfred helps him it is like a father helping his son who has fallen. The differences are greatly different. His partnership with Dent is also purely on a legislative side of the law, they both want the same thing just go about it in different ways. Robin is Batman light and doesn't introduce a new way of how Batman does things.

Robin is hardly a trainee, he fights as if he has been doing it for years. That is why he has his own series. That is why he is the head of the Teen Titans. Robin is not learning the ropes and has typically always been portrayed as season. Hell Robin in Batman and Robin All Star almost kills Green Lantern the guy has evolved as you put it before.

It does take suspension of disbelief that a 12 year old kid is fighting criminals that are 20-35. I don't know about you but 12 year olds I have seen and met even the tough ones simply don't have the moxy to fight grown men.

I understand all of that. But I dont any of it as a negative. I dont see Robin helping Batman being bad. Although I was never one for the 12 year old. i always thought they should go 16. AndI dont read or hold All star batman to be in canon so screw most of the evidence (no offense).

As for the trainee, whenever he is with Batman he is almost always a trainee/sidekick/taken under Bats wing. But the serial nature of the comics cant keep him thatway forever that'll get boring. So he has a solo and he has the titans. But when he gets into trouble its always, what would Bruce do or he'll actually call Bats for help. Bats doesnt get help, people just help him. Batman rarely gets on the commlink and asks Robin to help him beat bad guys. He asks him to look something up on the computer real quick or go run down a lead all while he has his hands full.

And that completely goes against what you said about him ruining the dark presence in the Batman Series. His purpose is to bring the light like you said.

People also have no idea who Harvey Dent is. So many people are asking me why Harvey Dent is significant and why is he shown so much in the trailer. Batman Forever just showed Two-face not Harvey.(well kind of for a second)

But it doesnt ruin the darkness it balances it. Its way different. And maybe not a lot of people know Dent but it wasnt a secret that he was in the other movies.

 

[CaptainClown]

I understand all of that. But I dont any of it as a negative. I dont see Robin helping Batman being bad. Although I was never one for the 12 year old. i always thought they should go 16. AndI dont read or hold All star batman to be in canon.



But it doesnt ruin the darkness it balances it. Its way different. And maybe not a lot of people know Dent but it wasnt a secret that he was in the other movies.

12, 13 18 hell it doesn't matter the person is really young messing with really bad people. It is a huge suspension of disbelief to think that a young guy can take on 20-30 year olds. Well take your pick on what you want to talk about Robin he is usually shown kicking ass and being able to stand on his own.

Balancing out the darkness would mean increasing the light...which would mean lightening the movie....Batman works because of the dark, you put Robin in to Balance it, you automatically are making the movie lighter. So it would be folly to say that Robin would impair the darkness of the current series.

Also it wasn't a secret but they aren't screaming it from the rooftops either. It is not like they are making commercials "TDK WITH THE JOKER AND TWO-FACE! COME SEE THIS MOVIE!"

 

[cerealkiller182]

12, 13 18 hell it doesn't matter the person is really young messing with really bad people. It is a huge suspension of disbelief to think that a young guy can take on 20-30 year olds. Well take your pick on what you want to talk about Robin he is usually shown kicking ass and being able to stand on his own.

Balancing out the darkness would mean increasing the light...which would mean lightening the movie....Batman works because of the dark, you put Robin in to Balance it, you automatically are making the movie lighter. So it would be folly to say that Robin would impair the darkness of the current series.

Never said Robin doesnt stand on his own. In fact I said he is spotlighted in Titans and his solo. But in Batman hes not always the biggest focal point but he is shown capable of fighting.

It doesnt impair, it adds. People think that if you put Robin in Batman will be jolly and make wisecracks and carry shark repelent when thats just not true. I dont see how Batman can be dark in the comics with a Robin but not dark in a movie with a Robin. Its tone. Alfred already injects a lot of light in the movie anyway.

Also it wasn't a secret but they aren't screaming it from the rooftops either. It is not like they are making commercials "TDK WITH THE JOKER AND TWO-FACE! COME SEE THIS MOVIE!"

I dont understand this. You think because they downplay Two Face that they are unhappy with the performance? I dont understand your point.

Plus how many damn blogs and newspaper articles covering Ledgers death have talked about how the marketing campaign might switch focus from Joker to Dent.

 

[CaptainClown]

Never said Robin doesnt stand on his own. In fact I said he is spotlighted in Titans and his solo. But in Batman hes not always the biggest focal point but he is shown capable of fighting.

It doesnt impair, it adds. People think that if you put Robin in Batman will be jolly and make wisecracks and carry shark repelent when thats just not true. I dont see how Batman can be dark in the comics with a Robin but not dark in a movie with a Robin. Its tone. Alfred already injects a lot of light in the movie anyway.



I dont understand this. You think because they downplay Two Face that they are unhappy with the performance? I dont understand your point.

Plus how many damn blogs and newspaper articles covering Ledgers death have talked about how the marketing campaign might switch focus from Joker to Dent.

Yes he is a competent hero and goes on his own that is why he has a solo career. If he wasn't he wouldn't and would need Batman to carry him. You were stating that Robin has been depicted as a trainee and learning the ropes which is untrue.

Alfred injects all the light that the movie needs. The small jokes are what keep these movies from taking itself too serious. We don't need to add to that by introducing a new character who you have stated was to add the light to the character.

I am not talking about two-face's performance. I am talking about redoing a villain that has been tarnished before. Two-face brings up memories of forever. However Harvey Dent is relatively unknown. It puts the general audience at ease when going into the film without thinking about the Schumacher series. The marketing is aimed at downplaying him to not get people thinking preconceived notions of how Two-face acts.

Also the marketing is about Dent and his political career. NOT the villain Two-face

 

[DiFabio]

I could see one possible way of making Robin/Dick Grayson work for Nolan's film. I like Batman as a loner. Especially the way it's going now. He's at his best when he's the lone creature of the night. I hate the sidekicks idea to heroes and the superhero teams also. Thats not my Batman. But Robin is different he could work because he essentially is, Batman. Just cut from a different cloth. Robin's origin has a thematic connection to Batman's in that both see their parents killed by criminals, creating an urge to battle the criminal element. Bruce sees a chance to direct the anger and rage that Dick feels in a way that he himself can not, thus creating a father/son bond and understanding between the two. That makes a better story in my opinion.

If they were to include Robin in the Nolan universe, this is how I would like to see it tastefully done.

"And here, we.......GO!"


In Gotham City the Dark Knight/Bruce Wayne is having trouble striking fear into his enemies and the citizens of Gotham. The new TV/Cartoon "The Caped Crusader" (Think the 60s show only more fantastic) based on The Batman's actual "adventures" now airing on every TV in Gotham has now established Batman as an outcast and laughing stalk rather than a a brooding creature of the night, like we saw him in Batman Begins, The Dark Knight etc. While the show features the non-fictional Batman it also introduces the fictional character, Robin (Batman's new crime fighting partner). Since this is a story within a story the Batman in the show has no relation to Bruce Wayne. (instead he is an alien from Batton) Batman is still the vigilante Gotham makes him out to be but this show is merely tarnishing his rep with his enemies with the camp of the actors, props, and gags.

With Batman no longer being feared, Wayne decideds to give into his public image and hang up his cape and cowl. He finds that being an actual playboy billionarehas it's perks, and is much better than the Dark Knight. Later he has his run in with Dick Grayson, (who also has no relation to "The Caped Crusader TV Show") an 10-11 year old who witnesses the brutal and grusome murder of his parents (instead of being acrobats they were instead owners of a wealthy circus company in Gotham with connections to the Wayne family and other billionares) by Tony Zucco (a member of Carmine Falcone's destroyed Mafia empire. Bruce Wayne, who is in the audience, takes pity on the boy, as they are both the orphaned sons of parents murdered in their presence. Upon hearing of Dick's telling of what he saw, the police fears that he will have no place to go, as he is a material witness, but Bruce steps in and partially adopts young Dick, whom no one else wants considering he's still a target for witnessing the murder) At first hesitant, Wayne with the persuasion of the GPD, the simple fact that this was essentially the same incident that happened to him, and saving him from the uncaring juvenile services system decides to take Grayson in as his "son". Strangely the resemblence of Grayson to his "father", Bruce Wayne, is uncanny. The two at Wayne's charity functions are often thought of actually being father and son to those who haven't heard the real story.

Zucco arrives back in Gotham after months of hiding. He is ordered by "insert mob boss name" to take out Grayson before he spills his guts. (His father had something to do with the mob, and they assume Dick has information against them) With the emergence of a new villian (Another plot. Man-Bat? Two-Face? Bane? etc.) along with this new crime syndicate and Zucco Batman must step back into the public's eye. Determined, Bruce Wayne establishes a darker, more menacing Batman that puts his enemies close to death, because of the campy "Crusader" show that makes Batman as menacing as Barney. Bruce juggles the life of being a crime fighting vigilante and......a father toward Grayson. Alfred reminds him that Dick is feeling unloved and scared, which prompts Bruce to realize he must spend more time with him. He later comforts the boy and tries to make him feel better, but Dick breaks down in tears and explains that he saw Zucco before the murder, thus making him responsible. Bruce points out he felt the same way when his parents died, but the pain will go away in time, at least for Dick.

This would have to go beyond what we have ever seen before, even with the Joker in the Dark Knight. Bashing heads, gritty fights etc. A really menacing Batman. If Man-Bat was to be included, it could be part of the story that the people actually begin to fear Batman again because they think this blood hungry creature is The Dark Knight, full throttle. With the body count rising, the City decideds to cancel "The Caped Crusader" to Wayne's liking, but at the same time an unwanted scenario occurs, the apprehension or killing of The Batman by Gotham's finest! (Which Gordon wants nothing to do with leaving yet another plot other than Dick Grayson, the villian/villian's, and the identity crisis)

Later an attack is made that threatens Bruce's life by Zucco. At the rebuilt Wayne Manor, Wayne is mortally wounded by Tony. Feeling guilty yet again Grayson runs away not only for his own safety but for his guardians also. A new issue thickens when Dick is captured and upon learning that Grayson doesn't have the information they sought they hold him for ransom for everything Wayne owns. Batman while still recovering from his injuries goes out on nightly hunts for his "son". And even overcomes the villian/villians, and clears his name.

After finding Dick, the Mob, and Zucco (who Grayson ultimately despises) Batman defeats them and saves the boy. In a final confrontation Zucco threatens the Dick's life at gun point only to be stopped by Batman. Zucco does not die and is sent to jail. Vengeful, Grayson lashes out at Batman who brings him back to the "new" Batcave and reveals himself, with the help of Alfred, as Bruce Wayne. He then suggests that Dick's "temporary" stay become indefinite and offers him a place as his crime partner to avenge his parents as he had, to which Dick eagerly accepts.

The next movie or movies can establish Grayson's alter ego.

-It's important to note that he becomes Robin after years of training so it's not obvious that Wayne's adopted son and Robin are one in the same.

After years of training (the same as Wayne with the Leauge of Shadows), Grayson is ready to fight along side Batman and hunt the criminals that created them. (Considering he was much younger than himself and ready earilier, Bruce still made sure he didn't become his partner until he was old enough out of fear of the boy's life) Wayne introduces Grayson to his new body armor, a redisgned black and crimson blood colored Begins suit, (unless destroyed, give him one of Batman's older suits since we know every film introduces a new suit) a cowl from the 10,000 mass produced selection without the ears, (no domino mask here/it does have white lenses though) a the memory cloth cape, and last but not least the famous gauntlets that were given to Bruce by Ducard, his mentor. Grayson utilizes all of Batman's weapons and becomes just as dangerous as his "father".

After several of nightly hunts along side Batman. Crime is at is's lowest. Robin rarely makes puns or sidecracking jokes, he is just as determined to rid "his" city of crime as Batman. (though he does lighten the moment several times considering he's not as "dark" as Batman) The genreal public and criminals dub him.........ROBIN, after the old TV show that mocked Batman.

If Robin is established in Nolans films like this i'd have no problem seeing him on screen again. (Sans nipples and the letter "R" of course) The public needs to name him Robin, and what better way then a campy cartoon that is similar to the old 60s show. Just imagine seeing Bale's/Wayne's distaste to seeing a humorous version of himself? I think this would completely change the general audiences view of Batman. He would no longer be that campy character if something was similar was shown in Batman's "real" universe. He'd cringe, he'd quit.........

 

[wellsy]

Does anybody agree with my opinion though that Batman needs Robin and that Robin could be done in the Nolan films especially a third one and he could be Dick Grayson but be based on Tim Drake,the Dark Victory Robin or Robin from Batman:TAS??

After my time on the Superman Returns sequel board, I've learnt to be very wary of internet rumours. Don't get ahead of yourself.

And DiFabio, while I like your idea, you don't need to post twice on the same page. Just once is enough (you can reference your original post with a linky or quote of necessary).

Oh, and you two, mind dropping the holier than thou attitude. Robin hasn't been done right on the silver screen, yes, but that doesn't mean that he can't be done properly (and yes, there is something to be said for articulation - Grammar is your friend ).

 

[GL1]

Here, here! The tragic levels of miscommunication going on between cerealkiller182 and CaptainClown are getting worse by the post!

CaptainClown: cerealkiller182 is right. Regardless of the present Robin's present state in present continuity Robin can work as a trainee and gopher for Batman. The fact that we're talking about adapting Robin means that the details of present implementations are an invalid argument, as you're using them.

Cerealkiller182: CaptainClown is right. Batman doesn't need to be any lighter. Baleman was almost emo in his brooding, pining after childhood love and softspoken need for encouragement from his father figures. Batman needs to get darker... fast, imho.

Robin would need a different role in the supporting cast... I would radically suggest: give him Batman's. Let Robin been the touchy-feely emo wannabe vigilante who misses his parents, like we saw Bruce in Begins, and make Christian Bale actually play a dark adult character. He can do it, but they keep Batman light for the kids and to secure their PG-13 rating. In short: Use Robin to make Batman darker.

DiFabio: That sounds like a cool episode of Justice League Unlimited or B:TAS. The plot however is a little child-leaning for a film meant for large-scale adult consumption. The tenets and technical details of the plot are great, but the scale and tone of the crises are a little off for a seroius Batman film, imho.

Would that role be the most practical in Nolan's Batverse? Yes. Would it be entertaining on film? Probably not.

Not sure why you feel this way. If Gordon driving the Batmobile and spouting one-liners can be entertaining, I don't see why misdirecting assistant wouldn't be.

Does anybody agree with my opinion though that Batman needs Robin and that Robin could be done in the Nolan films especially a third one and he could be Dick Grayson but be based on Tim Drake,the Dark Victory Robin or Robin from Batman:TAS??

...Or an amalgam of all three. Yes, most of us agree with at least some of those points.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Here, here! The tragic levels of miscommunication going on between cerealkiller182 and CaptainClown are getting worse by the post!

tends to happen in lengthy arguments.

 

[CaptainClown]

Here, here! The tragic levels of miscommunication going on between cerealkiller182 and CaptainClown are getting worse by the post!
.

Yup t:

 

[GL1]

These Robin threads get tiring. Once you address the uninformed "no Robin!" bandwagon, the even more silly "his costume is too light" and hammer out the details of the best way to adapt Robin, going through the age argument, the vigilante-on-his-own argument, the sidekick role argument, the 'Robin's only purpose Argument' and finally have a workable accurate adaptation...

Then some new kids show up, ignore the whole thread and chime in, uselessly, thoughtlessly, "no Robin!"

It's crazy...

 

[Ammo]

Here are my thoughts, I think they make a ton of sense.

Robin can be introduced in the 3rd or 4th film in this way...I'd prefer the 3rd because it sets up Robin's true debut in the 4th film.

He should be introduced similar to the way he was introduced in Batman: TAS, except he's 15 at the time instead of a little boy.

Bruce is trying to keep himself together, mentally scarred from his battle with the Joker. He sees the rope cut right before Dick's parents take a plunge. Bruce has flashbacks to his parents' death. Bruce goes to the police station with Dick and other witnesses, and offers to take Dick in for awhile.

Meanwhile, Batman's at work to hunt down Tony Zucco. Dick is furious, and uses Bruce's workout facilities to let off steam and brood. He's unaware of it, but he slowly comes to realize that Bruce Wayne is Batman. Dick wants in but Bruce won't let him.

Bruce Wayne the man finds Dick to be a calming, evening force on him, saving Bruce from possible self destruction or possibly "becoming the villain." The dialogue between Alfred and Bruce will show this, along with Bruce realizing Dick could SOMEDAY be a big help to his cause, but not now because he's a minor and he won't expose a child to the life he leads.

If Dick is introduced in the 3rd film, they don't find Zucco and the story carries over to the 4th film, if he debuts in the 4th film, they do because more time will be dedicated to the hunt for Zucco (obviously Two Face will have a prominent role in the 3rd film).

Slowly, Dick puts together his own costume using spare parts from the Batcave he discovers, and through several trip with Bruce to see Lucius (Dick has to be a thief because Lucius will not give parts to a child).

Dick shows up in a makeshift outfit in Batman's final battle and plays a big role in saving Batman, however at the end of the movie, Bruce tells Dick "I know your pain but I will not put a child up to this kind of life...if you want to assist me in this war on criminals and the corrupt, you must let me train you and you must be patient until your ready." Setting up Robin's real debut as an 18-year old.

The movie ends with Bruce training Dick a la Ra's al Ghul training Bruce in the beginning of Batman Begins.

Future installments will show the conversion to Nightwing and the debut of Tim Drake (no Jason Todd).

Let me expand...in the 4th film Robin makes his real debut at 18, hunts down Zucco, learns why Batman doesn't kill.

-5th film, the friction between Dick and Bruce starts to show. 18 year old Barbara Gordon debuts as Batgirl, using her knowledge from her father to know how Batman's operation works.

-6th film Dick will be 24 at this point, he doesn't want to be a sidekick anymore, goes to Lucius to see if he has any unique gear he can give him to separate himself from Batman, Nightwing is born. At this time, 15 year old Tim Drake is introduced with a similar backstory to the one in TAS, but with a little more grit and depth than in that episode.

Films 7, 8 and 9 will show the entire foursome together, with Batman finally giving into age in film 9.

Film 10 is similar to The Dark Knight Returns, but there is no Carrie Kelly, Tim, Dick and Barbara are still a force together, but Bruce can't take sitting on the sideline any longer.

Film 11 is Batman Beyond Begins...Bruce retires for good, Terry McGinnis sneaks into the Batcave, etc.

Film 12 is the finale to Batman Beyond

This has very little chance of happening, especially since I basically mapped out 36 years worth of Batman films, but hey, one can dream, right?

Another point I'd like to make...

A central theme involving ANY possible Batman sidekicks (Robin, Batgirl) should be Bruce being adamant that he "doesn't want anyone else to share this burden I share." But that Robin and Batgirl are so driven to fight crime that Bruce can't help but take them in. His inner conscience will always haunt him when there's a near-miss.

"If they're gonna fight injustice and the corrupt, I need to show them the right way."

 

[Texas Zombie]

Robin is just kinda gay and dumb. If he doesn't wear a full body suit and gets shot in the head........... BANG DEAD. Even if he like falls like 10 feet on his head... Bang DEAD. Nightwing they could pull off but not robin.

P.S. Ill have those pics from a long time ago up soon.

 

[carnage17]

Robin is not Robin without qoutes such as "Holy Sacka Potatoes Batman" or my Favourite from the 60'2 TV series with the Bomb, "Holy Heart Faiure Batman"

These sort of qoutes just dont fit the style of the new Franchise!

 

[Nepenthes]

Robin is just kinda gay and dumb. If he doesn't wear a full body suit and gets shot in the head........... BANG DEAD. Even if he like falls like 10 feet on his head... Bang DEAD. Nightwing they could pull off but not robin.

P.S. Ill have those pics from a long time ago up soon.

I like you lots of lafs but it's hard to take you seriously when you post drivel like this. One, Nightwing doesn't wear full head cover either. Two, it's an action movie based on a comic book, i think he'll survive falling 10 feet or getting shot at by a couple of goons; Robin isn't worth doing unless you maintain the aspects that comprise his appeal and his appearance is a huge part of that. Three, Robin is an inseparably intertwined part of Batman lore, if he's gay and dumb then Batman is also gay and dumb and if so then why do you care about the movie or the comics in the first place?

 

[carnage17]

No Robin!

 

[carnage17]

Robin = Homsexual!

 

[carnage17]

Robbin = Homosexual

 

[wellsy]

Carnage, shush. The purpose of this thread is NOT, i say again NOT, to discuss whether or not Robin should be in the franchise, but how to adapt him for the current Nolan continuity.

If you can't abide by those rules, then you're under no obligation to post. And you don't need to spam either. The edit button exists for a reason, you know.

 

[Savage]

He just wants the attention he doesn't receive elsewhere. Pay him no mind.

Batman Forever had a pretty good take on the character. Having him work solo at first and all. Just make him younger.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I like you lots of lafs but it's hard to take you seriously when you post drivel like this. One, Nightwing doesn't wear full head cover either. Two, it's an action movie based on a comic book, i think he'll survive falling 10 feet or getting shot at by a couple of goons; Robin isn't worth doing unless you maintain the aspects that comprise his appeal and his appearance is a huge part of that. Three, Robin is an inseparably intertwined part of Batman lore, if he's gay and dumb then Batman is also gay and dumb and if so then why do you care about the movie or the comics in the first place?

I just don't believe in Robin anymore. Sry. I meant to say he should wear a full head cover. Robin uses to flashy of colors. Batman's main weapon is fear and robin is not that scary. Dick Grayson could work as robin for a while without the flashy suit and then he would have to take over the role as nightwing(no crazy colors on his suit).