The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

[COMPO]

can I ask bit off topic? but who are Nightwings villians?

 

[Texas Zombie]

Deathstroke is nightwings main one. lots of batman's villains.

But Deathstroke is his main antagonist.

 

[zenith16]

can I ask bit off topic? but who are Nightwings villians?

here campo check this out.
http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/nightwingblud.html two of his other villains are there. block busters dead but gave him trouble and there's jason todd now. and death know as slade that gave the JLU enough trouble. and there's two face and thee rest of batmans rogues that have issues with night wing.

BTW campo take a good look at death stroke aka slade here

http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/deathstroke.html

from here http://www.titanstower.com/meetingalpha.html him and green arrow look alike.

 

[COMPO]

its compo not campo but thanks lol

 

[zenith16]

its compo not campo but thanks lol

LOL my bad your welcome anyway

 

[Texas Zombie]

Deathstroke is like the ultimate soldier. Think terminator, Randy Couture, Rambo, Hitman, and that dud from the scorpian king(sword guy) all combined and x10. He took on the Justice league and stabbed flash in the chest. He is like the best weapons fighter in the world(DC) on par with Ras, Batman(his disciples also), among others. He can take on multiple superheroes at once and defeat them. He is a mercenary.

 

[zenith16]

he's a mercenary. lol soldier's hate to be confused with merc's get it right. And any way he's obsessed with night wing who's given him a pretty good fight on many events and has issue with, even more so then bat man. who barely bothers with him (death stroke.) Oh yeah there's green arrow but he's not on par with his own son's in martial art's but he's given slade aka death stroke. enough trouble.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Merc's believe they are soldiers and previously were. They still hold there military rank. The correct term for them is a PMC or private military contractor . Basically every merc was a soldier and so was Deathstroke, he became a mercenary because the only thing that filled the whole in his life was fighting. I believe he is one of the best(if not the best) mercenary in DC universe with deadshot and a few other assassins.

Basically Nightwing uses his advanced acrobatics(he is better than batman at those) to fight, along with all of his training and equipment (he can't get clean shots off). Doesn't he prefer to fight close quarter and use his metal staff or sword. He shot bart in the knee, stabbed flash in the chest, so speed doesn't matter but I guess it's all in how andom you are fighting. The more you mix it up the better chance you have.

 

[Clayface]

Ah! This is pretty cool.

Personally, I dislike the armour plated Robin designs in this thread. I think Robin's classic tunic could be easily adapted as a thick flack jacket; kevlar with ceramic plates. I think it would need to be something a little less high-tech than Batman's suit, as we'd probably want Robin to put it together himself, beginning his field "missions" without Batman's consent.

I agree. I think the big problem in the back of everyones mind is the costume and the name. I mean, the concept can work, it can help develop Bruce more as a character, and show new sides of him. And people saying "He's always worked best as a loner" are funny, because Batman hasn't been a loner during the main sequence of things for a long, long time.

The costume should be a little less high-tech than Batman's costume, but enough to get the job done. While I think that goggles would make a great replacement, there's no way Bruce would let him run around with just that on his head. With all the flying bullets that he'd have to do with, I don't think anyone would have a kid running around with nothing to protect his head. At least a hood of some sort, made of some super-material that's strong enough to protect him. As for the red, a deep crimson flack jacket, or something like that, would work. The name is pretty simple: it's just Bruce's nickname for him. Perhaps he compares his desire to fight crime to Robin Hood, and Batman calls him that out of jest, only a couple times at most. If not Batman, at least Alfred. I dunno, maybe Nolan just shouldn't take any chances...

 

[zenith16]

Merc's believe they are soldiers and previously were. They still hold there military rank. The correct term for them is a PMC or private military contractor . Basically every merc was a soldier and so was Deathstroke, he became a mercenary because the only thing that filled the whole in his life was fighting. I believe he is one of the best(if not the best) mercenary in DC universe with deadshot and a few other assassins.

Basically Nightwing uses his advanced acrobatics(he is better than batman at those) to fight, along with all of his training and equipment (he can't get clean shots off). Doesn't he prefer to fight close quarter and use his metal staff or sword. He shot bart in the knee, stabbed flash in the chest, so speed doesn't matter but I guess it's all in how andom you are fighting. The more you mix it up the better chance you have.

here's a better term in this video

About this Video

Okay, let us throw out a word for ya. Blackwater. We're talking about one of the most powerful mercenary armies in the world. Or as they like to be called 'private security contractors.' Blackwater is based in the U-S and they've got soldiers in war zones around the world. So what do they do ? Who do they answer to ? And why does a military superpower like the U-S need soldiers for hire? Well, we've got a guy who's followed Blackwater for years. He's just written a book about them - number 9 on the New York Times best seller list. His name is Jeremy Scahill.

http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/videos/20070404_scahill.wvx



And in case that one doesn't work use this one
http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/videos.html?id=750728645



http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/ I don't feel like going into it that much but real soldiers will never agree with the term their the same. any way most people view the pmc's as a different thing or are trying to change the view from what's usually called mercenary's. but what ever people try to change too many things state side any way.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I know about blackwater. Ok. Blackwater is a protection agency mostly. They protect high people. They can't fire unless fired upon. I know ok.

I am saying most PMC's were soldiers. They still hold there rank in the military, because they were honorably discharged. Slade was made by the government to be the ultimate soldier, the project was deemed a failure and his military service ended. Then he had side effects like being pretty much a genius and had a great strategic mind. So he became a mercenary, probably the best mercenary in the the world actually.

 

[zenith16]

actually there's another video on other companys that are like black water but some what worse and are considered the same thing. mercs aren't solders there just criminals and worse then assassins. ether way as i said most soldiers keep saying their not the same thing as them selves and will never agree to it.

The only place I've seen them viewed as the same since the 80's is comic's and most soldier hate the mix up. cause it's continued to blur things meaning wise. anyway the only reason i didn't show the other videos is cause It would send it wayyyyyy of topic. and I know enough on slade thanks any way.

 

[Texas Zombie]

yeah haha. My cousin was thinking about being a merc after he got discharged(marines), but everyone was telling him not to. So he just became a reserve and fire fighter. haha.

 

[Savage]

Thought this had TDK spin off written all over it.

Huh...That looks...awful familliar.

As much as I did like that costume (sans nipples and cape) I think it should be saved for his solo outting as Nightwing...and turned blue.

I'd actually like to see him use the circus costume and play a role similar in size to Gordon, Alfred, or Fox only to dawn the costume and help out during the climax of the film. Save the actual development of the superhero and the armor for a sequel when he's being trained in the field (as opposed to just helping out without asking permission). Robin's known for being an acrobat even more than Batman (who even in the comics I don't remember seeing much flipping from anyway) so his costume should allow for that and we should see it. I really can't see him fighting head on the way Batman does. He's only a kid. These thugs will overpower him. His best bet is to use his agility to hit them without being touched.

 

[COMPO]

I think this should be how they do Robin.

The Joker has escaped Arkham, the Ventriliquist and Black Mask has taken over the mob and villians are running amuck. Batman is stopping them and is obsessed in finding the Joker. The Joker isn;t doing anything and Batman wants to know. Tony Zucco has made an investment in the local circus but is arrested for smuggling goods by Batman Zucco reveals that the Joker hired him to take over Haleys Circus for a scheme he has planned.

Batman tells Gordon to let Zucco so that they can catch the Joker at the circus who's plan is to kill its main attraction in front of hundreds of children to show them the darkness of life. Bruce goes to the circus with Vicki Vale or someone ready to take Joker down when he sees him.

Dick Grayson overhears the Joker planning things and goes to warn Mr Haley the owner but find him dead. He runs off to the circus to stop Joker.

Bruce gets throug hthe crowd and changes to Batman and fights Jokers men as Joker hijacks the circus as the ring master and holds a detonator ready to blow up the platforms with ***** parents standing on them. Batman fights with him but the Joker blows them up. They fall ***** parents jumping on the wire only for them to snap. Dick runs in to warn everyone only to see his parents fall.

Joker escapes and Batman is racked with guilt for ,letting Zucco escape who had been part of the killing and the Joker wouldn't have been able to get into the circus without him. He takes Dick in both to protect him and because he feels responsible for his parents death which the Joker puts forth later on and although, they are partners Dick still feels Batman holds some of the blame and swears never to do the same.

 

[wellsy]

Actually, I like the part about Zucco getting arrested and released at Batman's request - it makes Bruce's support for Dick a lot more important to the audience (and it could be spun as him reeling from the death of his childhood friend Rachel Dawes).

However, I'm not so certain about the Joker, to be honest. I think he's best left either as a minor villain in this one, or a brief scene/cameo. He had his show in TDK. Let's not overdo him (not to mention there's the issue of casting too). Someone like Black Mask, or perhaps Penguin could fill a failry similar role to Joker in that story.

 

[COMPO]

you coudl have Killer Croc do it because he got fired from the circus or they mistreated him.

 

[sethcohen]

over the course of the next film, with the failure to save harvey dent haunting him bruce begins to become more and more withdrawn into batman... almost lost... by the end of the film, "bruce wayne" is almost never seen... in the subsequent film he attends a circus fundraiser at alfred's insistance... there the familiar origin of richard grayson takes place... bruce vows feels a connection to the boy, having had the same thing happen to him and vows not to let him feel the way he did as a child and takes him in... no robin for that movie, but the father son relationship they develop helps bruce regain some of himself from batman... no robin for the next movie either, but richard does discover in the final act that bruce is batman and begins to harbour some resentment towards bruce because he still hasnt been able to bring his parents murders to justice... by the 3rd film featuring richard, hes older, not a child, but not quite and adult and he begins to try and duplicate bruces methods to capture his parents killers. bruce, knowing that since richard is almost an adult realizes he is going to do this with or without his blessing so he BEGINS to train him...
a slow build... theres never a kid in the costume or fighting crime, but many of us would get to see a character weve grown up with realized realisticly and faithfully on screen... what do you think?

 

[spideyman101]

I wouldn't mind it... I was a little confused though... you mean the 4th film Robin is introduced and taken in by Bruce and the 5th film we see the grown up version of him and he discovers Bruce's real identity and he begins to train him. And by the 6th film he's Nightwing or something that fits Nolan's films?

Not the way I would've done it, but it could work.

The way I would've done it is 4th film he's a teenager (16 or so) and his parents are killed, similar to his origin in the comics. In the 4th Bruce takes Dick under his wing and by the end of the 4th film he learns who Batman is and he begins to train him. 5 film he is Nightwing, fitting Nolan's darker film. In the 5th film they have some problems though and Nightwing abandons Batman and they make a deal. Batman guards one section of Gotham and Nightwing the other. Then in the 6th film Knightfall is made and in that film Nightwing comes to rescue Batman and they become friends again, though Nightwing tells Batman that he cannot stay. Nightwing goes to Bludhaven at the end and Batman is once again alone. Then if a 7th film is ever made (seems a little weird going past 6), then Batman will be alone with an occasional mention or even an appearance from Nightwing. Maybe at this point make a Nightwing spin-off where Batman villains seen in the Batman films (up to the point of this spinoff) such as Joker or Black Mask (maybe) are the villains in that spin-off. Maybe make a Nightwing trilogy. In that Batman makes an occasional appearance. Batman 7, 8 and 9 are made and a Nightwing 1, 2 and 3 are made. All depending on how the audience feels of more and more films being made on this... and if it becomes too much and if people are getting tired of it, or if the films start becoming like a Schumacher film then cut it off and stop it in it's tracks before it's killed. Hopefully Nolan will do do the 3rd film... and maybe he'll come back for 4, 5 and 6... and most likely a new director will have to be gotten for 7, 8, and 9... but maybe Nolan can be coaxed into making at least one Nightwing film.

Anyway to keep Nolan's Batman world alive... but keep in mind ONLY IF IT IS NOT RUINED!!! Like I said earlier... if we see a Batman Forever thing happening, stop it and don't allow it to get to Batman&Robin.. wait like a decade then come back when the time is right and continue... What I would like to see is up to 10 or even 20 films done on Batman that are a continuing series... (like Bond)... but I'd like to see each one as good as the previous! I'd like to see the 3-film curse broken... I'd like to see the... sequel-curse broken!

 

[LaughingAloud]

I dont believe the robin would help the series. only hinder the progress of a great storyline. When you add more characters to a movie, you have to include a story arc that intertwines for each and every other character. Id have to say no just from that fact.

 

[Sky Captain]

This neat fan trailer definitely has an interesting CONCEPT behind bringing Robin in.

Not one I'd personally want, but neat nonetheless.

 

[Saint]

That was pretty awesome.

 

[Malefical]

Another realistic way to bring in robin is that maybe Bruce feels the need to adopt a boy since his innocence was taken from him at such a young age and grew up without his parents. Maybe he feels the need to raise a young boy who needs a father figure. So he decides to research children online and gets an invitation from a circus in town taking place at a local ranch. Curious, he decides to accept the invitation and goes. When he arrives at the ranch, he discovers that the circus tent is a cover-up for "used" children being auctioned off as sex slaves by a mysterious make up wearing clown with scars on his nose known only as...JackO! Bruce then places a bid on a young boy with long legs. He out bids the Pope and his minions by only 2 dollars and wins.He takes the young boy home and proceeds to ''train" him. In the climax(forgive the pun), it turns out Bruce has gotten into the whole furry craze that freaks are into these days(more realism!)...and decides to leave his bat cape and cowl on while he makes love to Robin who is dressed up appropriately in a full bird costume.

 

[Savage]

This neat fan trailer definitely has an interesting CONCEPT behind bringing Robin in.

Not one I'd personally want, but neat nonetheless.

Now that...was pretty damn cool.

Bypassing all the other Robin's and pretty much going to the guy that forces himself to be Batman's partner. I dig that approach.

 

[Crook]

Tim Drake would be awesome. But you never bypass Grayson. Ever. Not when you want to tell the story of Robin.