The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

[jackshea]

agreed

 

[Menthol]

I would make Robin start out as one of the Copy-cat vigilantes like in TDK. He just keeps following Bats around until finally Bruce gives in and starts to train him. He'd be around 24, maybe with a short military background (So he wouldn't fight like Bats but more modern war fare tactical fighting). Cocky and a bit of a loose cannon. Spats off when he doesn't get his way or Bruce gets mad at him.

As for the story you slowly learn about the Tony Zucko(?) storyline like in the comics. Only in Nolan world Zucko is the new head of the mob. After the death of his parents at Tony's hands Robin knows only bats can help him and the only way to talk to him is to get caught by him like the copycats in TDK.
Of course Batman is busy trying to solve riddles or Fight whatever more dangerous villain is in the movie, While Robin tries to find Zucko.

As for the suit, basically just a Batman suit. Maybe the old armor from BB since Bruce doesn't use it anymore. Rip the bat mask off it, and give him a bandit mask, carve an "R" on the left chest and maybe just maybe add a little red to it. No cape tho. Plus he shoudn't have his own specialy desighned weapons but just use Like Batman hand me downs. Like maybe his weapons are chipped or cracked and maybe don't work too well.

Batman gets a new Tumbler and Robin gets The batpod. Batman says "Stay out of my way and I'll help you find Zucko." Robin replies "Fine, but don't screw me over on this, Bruce." and the two have a ruff around the edges relationship, with just Alfred to keep them from beating the hell out each other at some points.

Robin wouldn't live with Bruce, he just shows up when he sees the batsignal at the same time Bats does, ready to go.

I don't know what name to go with tho? Maybe, he never tells his real name. When bats asked he just replies "Robin." No explaining kinda like the Jokers origin.

Movie ends with Bats stopping Robin from Killing Zucko. After that The two grow to respect (Not really like) each other.

Sorry, I'm drunk and rambling, but I really have gave this some thought and decided to get it all out.

 

[Katsuro]

A 24-year old Robin? Are you serious?

 

[Katsuro]

I dont believe the robin would help the series. only hinder the progress of a great storyline. When you add more characters to a movie, you have to include a story arc that intertwines for each and every other character. Id have to say no just from that fact.

How is that a bad thing? Don't we want this movie to have an interesting, complex plot? I thought the reason TDK was so great was because of it's complexity. It had a ton of characters and a ton of interwoven plots. Adding Robin would only further there. It'd offer character development for Bruce, and an interesting twist to the story. I mean, these movies have to be more than just Batman beating up a new bad guy every time.

 

[strikezone89]

im not here to try and start anything but whats the point of this thread?
as long as nolan is directing Robin will NOT be in his films and for the butt load of money tdk made for warner brothers im willing to bet they will do whatever nolan wants to do in the third film

 

[Menthol]

A 24-year old Robin? Are you serious?

uh, yea... and?

I sure as hell don't want a little kid Robin. I hate kids in movies. I rly rly do. So Robin being a young man would work better I think.

Why what did you have in mind? Some tween running around that can actually beat up mob guys? Not very believable...

Or if you want make him the same age as Bruce, I don't care. This thread is just for fun and I just gave my two cents on how I think Robin could work.

 

[Savage]

uh, yea... and?

I sure as hell don't want a little kid Robin. I hate kids in movies. I rly rly do. So Robin being a young man would work better I think.

Why what did you have in mind? Some tween running around that can actually beat up mob guys? Not very believable...

Or if you want make him the same age as Bruce, I don't care. This thread is just for fun and I just gave my two cents on how I think Robin could work.

It's believable when the tween is well trained and the mob guys are just dudes with guns. Besides, you make him a 24 year old MAN and you take away from the whole point of Bruce and Dick's father/son relationship.

 

[Menthol]

im not here to try and start anything but whats the point of this thread?
as long as nolan is directing Robin will NOT be in his films and for the butt load of money tdk made for warner brothers im willing to bet they will do whatever nolan wants to do in the third film

Hasn't it been rumored that Nolan doesn't want to do another one? If Nolan doesn't direct we may see Robin.

I doubt it lol, But I will never rule it out.

 

[Menthol]

It's believable when the tween is well trained and the mob guys are just dudes with guns. Besides, you make him a 24 yeard old MAN and you take away from the whole point of Bruce and Dick's father/son relationship.

See I never liked that about Batman/Robin. Batman being his adopted father and such sucks. I think thats why Nolan won't put Robin in a movie. Two men and a 12 year old living together that aren't related seems kinda... uh ODD to me.

And you can train a kid for years and I still wouldn't believe he could take down a full grown man. With or without a gun.

I'm saying 24 or 25, military background, so he has some type of fighting skills already. Bruce just fine tunes him.

 

[Crook]

16-18 will do just fine whenever they decide to introduce Robin. The character has always started out young. Mid-20s is way too old.

 

[Savage]

In that case why don't we just team Batman up with Green Arrow.

See you don't like Robin from the beginning so naturally you're going to suggest something completely deviating from the character.

Would you like it if a production crew that hated the Batman character got control of the movie? It's really a case of either you get it or you don't. Robin's relationship with Batman is the reason why he (sometimes she) works. The vigilantism thing is not nearly as important since you can team Batman up with any other hero for that.

As for the teen versus adult thing, you mean to tell me brute force trumps skill every time?

 

[UA-Archangel]

No Robin.

 

[Menthol]

In that case why don't we just team Batman up with Green Arrow.

See you don't like Robin from the beginning so naturally you're going to suggest something completely deviating from the character.

Would you like it if a production crew that hated the Batman character got control of the movie? It's really a case of either you get it or you don't. Robin's relationship with Batman is the reason why he (sometimes she) works. The vigilantism thing is not nearly as important since you can team Batman up with any other hero for that.

As for the teen versus adult thing, you mean to tell me brute force trumps skill every time?

See yeah, I do hate Robin... And I'm trying to make him cool. Something i would want to see in a Robin character. I only took out the lame stuff of Robin. Like being a boy, wearing a goofy suit, and him being in the circus.

Yeah those things make Robin suck to me. Sry if you're a die hard fan of his, but it's my opinion and I gave it. Isn't that what this thread is about?

As for the skill over brute force thing... uh. Go watch a major League Baseball game... see how well all those full grown MEN play?

Now, go to a little league game... See that pop fly that kid could have caught out in backfield but didn't cuz he was picking his nose and smelling daisies?

Yea, you have to change Robin to make him fit in this more realistic world of Nolan's. Thats how I see it working.

 

[Menthol]

16-18 will do just fine whenever they decide to introduce Robin. The character has always started out young. Mid-20s is way too old.

Ok, how bout this...

The next movie Robins as lets say a ten to twelve year old kid watches his parents get shot. Like Bruce he's full of vengeance. Batman trains the boy. But doesn't let him go out and fight crime with him yet. All that happens with a bigger storyline in effect that revolves around Riddler or another villain that Batman alone fights. End movie with Bats getting rid of that villain and it's a great flick. No ROBIN just we introduce Dick Grayson.

Now if they make another movie after that it's ten years later and Dick is 20 to 22. Batman says he's ready to fight and by now the man that killed his parents is head of the mob and we go from there.

Does that work better?

Like I said, a kid out there with Batman would just get in his way and is way too unbelievable. But a kid Bruce trains for YEARS, just like how Bruce had to train for YEARS... well that i might buy. But I still hate the adoption angle.

Please at least say he doesn't have a circus background. Gah, that would suck.

 

[Crook]

The circus background provides a legitimate support for Dick's abilities. It's a big reason why Bruce takes him in, because he sees the potential in the kid.

I'd be in favor of Grayson training for a few years, but he has to be Robin before his 20s. That's just a must. Taking up a sidekick doesn't even have to be Bruce's decision, but rather a compromise. I've always been a fan of Dick taking his skills and putting it to use without Bruce's permission. He initially goes out fighting crime as a means of enacting vengeance on his parents' murderers. Cue in Bruce who is basically forced to help out of a moral obligation.

With Bruce realizing that Dick is going to be a crimefighter with or without his help, Bruce decides it's best if Dick does it under his own guidance and watchful eye. In fact, it'd even be pretty cool if it was implied that Bruce sees a much improved version of himself in Dick, at that age. Keeping him close would ensure Dick stays on the right path, instead of potentially becoming lost in his personal demons.

 

[Menthol]

Sigh... I give up.

There is no way Robin from the comics would work in a Nolan Batman movie, so now I agree with this guy:

No Robin.

 

[Crook]

I think you're just hiding behind the fact that you don't like how the character is written, period.

There's nothing in his story, that couldn't be slightly altered to fit Nolan's universe while remaining faithful to the character. The mature themes and characterization are all in-tact.

 

[Savage]

See yeah, I do hate Robin... And I'm trying to make him cool. Something i would want to see in a Robin character. I only took out the lame stuff of Robin. Like being a boy, wearing a goofy suit, and him being in the circus.

Yeah those things make Robin suck to me. Sry if you're a die hard fan of his, but it's my opinion and I gave it. Isn't that what this thread is about?

As for the skill over brute force thing... uh. Go watch a major League Baseball game... see how well all those full grown MEN play?

Now, go to a little league game... See that pop fly that kid could have caught out in backfield but didn't cuz he was picking his nose and smelling daisies?

Yea, you have to change Robin to make him fit in this more realistic world of Nolan's. Thats how I see it working.

That was a terrible example by the way. You're taking two skilled people of different ages when it really should be put a little league kid up against some joe shmoe on the street who's only ever watched baseball and picked up a bat once. NOW tell me who's going to win.

If an adult professional fighter fights a kid professional figther, most likely the adult will win. Put that kid up against some guy who doesn't even get into fights often and let's see how often he can tag that kid.

Alright. I think Batman is lame so let's remove all those lame parts. The costume is stupid. Who dresses up as a bat anyway? And am I supposed to believe this man can take on armies of men without firearms? Hahaaa. No. Give that man an M-16 and strap on two Uzis. Now I can watch this cool character.

I'm not even a die-hard Robin fan and I'm at least able to see the other side. You're like that guy that wanted the Superman movie with no flight and no cape. Just a man in a blue suit running really fast. What may be lame to you may be cool to others. The key is to take the essentials of that character and make it work on screen and you're stripping away that. I'd understand if you said make him just a recon kid who never fights or only uses long range attacks but you're pretty much saying "Let's make him a random vigilante with nothing in common with Robin except for the name. It's bulletproof!". You can see why I'd have a problem with someone saying that for any character.

 

[UA-Archangel]

I think you're just hiding behind the fact that you don't like how the character is written, period.

There's nothing in his story, that couldn't be slightly altered to fit Nolan's universe while remaining faithful to the character. The mature themes and characterization are all in-tact.

In Nolan's world, Bruce Wayne is highly conscientious about what he does, to the point where he was going to turn himself in when Joker started killing people.

There is no way in Waye's right mind, that he's going to allow some 12 to 14 year old kid join him in crime fighting, regardless of how capable the kid may actually be.

That's not going to happen.

 

[Crook]

In Nolan's world, Bruce Wayne is highly conscientious about what he does, to the point where he was going to turn himself in when Joker started killing people.

There is no way in Waye's right mind, that he's going to allow some 12 to 14 year old kid join him in crime fighting, regardless of how capable the kid may actually be.

That's not going to happen.

That's why I suggested bumping the age to around 17 or 18....

 

[UA-Archangel]

That's why I suggested bumping the age to around 17 or 18....

Even then, in Nolan's world, Bruce will not allow anybody to be at unnecessary risk for what he does.

 

[Savage]

In Nolan's world, Bruce Wayne is highly conscientious about what he does, to the point where he was going to turn himself in when Joker started killing people.

There is no way in Waye's right mind, that he's going to allow some 12 to 14 year old kid join him in crime fighting, regardless of how capable the kid may actually be.

That's not going to happen.

And who said he'd let him? It's not like he'd have to recruit this kid or even reveal himself as Batman to him. This is a kid so hellbent on revenge but without the means to do it that Wayne had and pretty much went out on his own. All Wayne did was train him when he realized stopping this kid from going out and doing this is as effective as Alfred stopping him when he was his age. What's he going to do? Beat him? Lock him in a cage?

 

[Crook]

Even then, in Nolan's world, Bruce will not allow anybody to be at unnecessary risk for what he does.

And this is why I suggested that it would be an obligatory response from Bruce to prevent a lost soul with dangerous abilities to roam the streets.

The parallels between the 2 characters are more than evident and fits well with the groundwork Nolan has laid. Saying Bruce would NEVER take in a sidekick is the equivalent of saying the comic book Batman is a farce, because that's exactly what Bruce does (within reason).

If you wanna talk responsibility, exactly how responsible is it to not offer a helping hand to a kid that shares the same exact tragedy and emotional distress that you once had? Batman was the outlet for Bruce's pain. It is not unfeasible that Bruce sees this pain within Dick and sympathizes with his thirst for vengeance.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

See, the strange thing with Robin haters is that they hate the coloured suit, saying it is too colourful, despite loving other superheroes who have a far more garish colour combination. Its only because he's placed next to the black and grey of Batman that the colours stick out in Superhero world, and that is the point. Robin is an essential contrast to Batman, one that needs to be in the films one day, pick or choose which film. No jumping straight to Nightwing, No 24 year old Robin. No, instead, a 12-16 year kid who's tragedies shape him, and Bruce takes him in and becomes a better person for it. Is it right to be patrolling around with a kid? Heck on, but that's the point. Batman isn't perfect, but even through his mission, though slightly misguided, he gives Robin purpose.

No, it won't make Batman lighter or cancel out "tEh dArkness!11!", but it will evolve Batman's character and the storyline as well. Knowing that Nolan will most likely never include Robin is a sad thing.

 

[itsthebatman]

I can't remember which comic it was in (either Turning Points or Robin: Year One), where Batman and Gordon argue about Batman taking on Robin and exposing him to danger. Batman argues back that he is helping the kid, giving him a chance that he never had, something to that effect.
Batman takes on Robin as a son and potential heir, and in turn Robin is given purpose and the chance to do good. This would follow PERFECTLY from the themes of TDK, where Bruce realised that Harvey's method of crimefighting was inadequate for Gotham, and the next step would be for Bruce to start training someone to eventually take over from him, as that is the only way Gotham will be properly protected. Sure, make him a bit older, but Robin still has to be a teen. It could work, and work well.
But no pixie boots. Something like Tim Drake's original costume, red and green with a black cape.