The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

[The Battousai]

Well there have been speculation that a dick grayson character might surface in the nolan universe of batman. But if there were to be a dick grayson character should he become robin or nightwing?

Well perhaps if dick grayson was introduced to the franchise he would be introduced as a abandoned ophan in his teens, maybe 16 or something like that.

And while duck grayson was little, maybe 6 or 7, he runs into a bruce wayne (in his teens) and they discuss there losses, bruce knowing that dick is a orphan that lost his parents to the mob. They discuss how gotham can be saved and how both of them will avenge there parents death. So dick (a child) and bruce (a teenager) become somewhat friends with tensions and differences. Then Bruce suddenly leaves gotham without anyone knowing (Batman Begins). And then years later after bruce had returned and had become the dark knight, batman is in a footrace to catch a thug that escaped the asylum. And then batman is about to catch the thug, when suddenly someone jumps from the rooftop and topples the thug, that someone is Nightwing. Nightwing then introduces himself to batman saying "hello bruce". Nightwing knew that bruce had become batman from their talks in the past about catching the criminals one day. Batman says "how do you know who i am?" Nightwing responds "oh bruce, you dont remember little old me, how many abandoned orphans do you run into when your young huh bruce?". Then bruce (batman) says "Dick?"
Nightwing says "in the flesh, you didnt think id survive in the narrows did you? Well people also didnt think bruce wayne wouldnt come back after 7 years".



Well guys this is what i have so far, let me know what you think and if i should add more. thanks.

He wouldn't just be Nightwing automatically - that would probably piss off a lot of people...

 

[Orin]

I think IF Dick Grayson is ever introduced into the Nolan-Universe, it'll be at the end of the third movie and he'll be neighter Robin nor Nightwing.

 

[ND Irish]

i really hope Nolan never brings in the robin story, would just diminish the kick-ass awesomeness of these movies.

But...if he did and i see in your story where he & bruce meet. instead of that way how about they have already met in Begins? im sure you know what Im talking about

 

[ThreeActRomance]

they never said who that little kid in Begins was..did they?

for all we know..that little kid could be Dick Grayson...

 

[wellsy]

You do realise we have threads for this already?

Your idea just takes too much away from Dick's character, not to mention he is essentially Batman-lite, and this brings us to many a problem from the previous Bat-franchise.

It's a halfway decent idea, but it just doesn't fit what the character of Dick/Robin/Nightwing is. And that's the simple truth of it. You need Dick to be Robin and to have a much closer relationship (more mentor/student sort of thing), and for Bruce to be constantly forcing Dick to evaluate his reasons for pursuing the life of a vigilante. If you don't have that kind of on-screen chemistry, nor the constant push-pull, nor Bruce's mask (as he tries to stop other people from getting close to him so they don't get hurt), then you lose a lot.

 

[Robin91939]

As a big time Robin fan, I would love to see him.

Yet- for the story, I feel he's not ready. For the third film I want to see Dick Grayson introduced and have the film end with Wayne adopting him.

This would complete his arc as a man who needed training to a man ready to train. As a man who was alone to a man with allies. As a man who lost an ally Harvey Dent to a man who gained an ally in Grayson.

It would be a great way to close the trilogy. I say no action for Dick. Maybe he takes out a thug independent from Batman as a nod to the fans. Maybe we see his circus suit with the red and gold as a nod. But this is Batman's trilogy. It is his story and the evolution of Gotham from a corrupt town- corrupted by mobsters to a city polluted with freaks. But I feel that thematically Dick Grayson would be a welcomed asset.

-R

 

[COMPO]

it would be good that when Robin is brought its sort of like BB in away. were we see Robin in the beginning helping Batman and then through the course of the film we see flashbacks of how they met and everything.

 

[COMPO]

i like how robin has a cape with a hood on it...i never really cared for robins 'mask' just by itself but this is a cool addition to the mask
http://bp0.blogger.com/_TAm9S4IMSGg/Rv0plXO81JI/AAAAAAAABgY/gBdL1mHX7dE/s1600-h/Batman_son.jpg

i think it would work but, didn't Batman tell Robin not to wear one in Frank Miller's because any thug can pull it over his eyes.

 

[ashminator]

ive done a wikid version of this drawing but icant post it if i email it to somone can they post it on here?

 

[dark_knight08]

I personally think Robin won't fit in Nolan's Batman universe.
But I really like the colors and the outfit in this concept.
Great Job!
You get a 10/10

 

[Lestat74]

Well, I'm certainly not against Robin being in the "Nolan-verse", but I think it's fair to say that Chris Nolan has no interest in using Robin in his third Batman film if he is to make one. BUT....I think Robin is a crucial part of Batman mythology that has never ever been done justice in live action.

So here's what I hope happens.

I hope after Batman Begins 3, Warners finds a director of similar vision to do his own trilogy that takes place several years after the Nolan trilogy. ( but with different actors I'd assume ) A Batman closer to his late 30's maybe. I think this whole Trilogy should center around the Robin legacy.

Movie 1: A 15/16 year old Dick Grayson gets recruited by Bruce Wayne. I'd use the one good concept that Frank Miller came up with for All Star Batman; the notion that Dick Grayson is already something of a prodigy that Bruce has his eye on and tragedy forces him to step in early and train him further.

Movie 2: set some time after movie one, this movie would deal with the falling out of the Dick/Bruce relationship and Dick's evolution into Nightwing. I'd have Bruce recruit young hothead Jason Todd ( against Dick's better judgement ) and finish the movie with Jason's death, leaving Batman in a really dark place mentally.

Movie 3: The introduction of Tim Drake and the redemption of Robin. A movie showing why Batman needs Robin.

 

[Reflectionist]

Well, I'm certainly not against Robin being in the "Nolan-verse", but I think it's fair to say that Chris Nolan has no interest in using Robin in his third Batman film if he is to make one. BUT....I think Robin is a crucial part of Batman mythology that has never ever been done justice in live action.

So here's what I hope happens.

I hope after Batman Begins 3, Warners finds a director of similar vision to do his own trilogy that takes place several years after the Nolan trilogy. ( but with different actors I'd assume ) A Batman closer to his late 30's maybe. I think this whole Trilogy should center around the Robin legacy.

Movie 1: A 15/16 year old Dick Grayson gets recruited by Bruce Wayne. I'd use the one good concept that Frank Miller came up with for All Star Batman; the notion that Dick Grayson is already something of a prodigy that Bruce has his eye on and tragedy forces him to step in early and train him further.

Movie 2: set some time after movie one, this movie would deal with the falling out of the Dick/Bruce relationship and Dick's evolution into Nightwing. I'd have Bruce recruit young hothead Jason Todd ( against Dick's better judgement ) and finish the movie with Jason's death, leaving Batman in a really dark place mentally.

Movie 3: The introduction of Tim Drake and the redemption of Robin. A movie showing why Batman needs Robin.

That goes too fast to be considered in a serious manner.

So um, sure Joel.

 

[wellsy]

Yeah, that is a bit fast. Certianly four or five movies would be better, IMHO. First one; Dick gets taken in by Bruce after his parents' death, finds out he's Batman, works as an assistant. Second; Dick becomes Robin. Third; they fall out. Fourth; Todd comes and goes. Fifth; Tim comes, and pretty much forces himself onto Batman (a la Batman Beyond).

And looking at that, I'm still not sure that's long enough either...

 

[Cadetak]

I'm not a very big Batman fan by Hype standards but the character of Robin is important. Robin goes hand in hand with the name Batman. I say Batman, random person on the street instantly thinks Robin. Eventually people will be wondering why he isn't in it.

If Robin enters this franchise it shouldn't be done until at least the fourth movie.

Also Robin doesn't have to be a little kid. I think it would be fine if he was like around 18 or so. This makes him legally an adult so it gets past the idea of "training a little kid to fight crime'' and also he would be out of highschool which avoids any situations of "why isn't he in school?" and the like. But keeps him young enough to fill the natural roles of Robin.

The costume can be adapted easily. I think it should be lighter and tighter then the Bat suit because Robin would be more acrobatic...maybe something along the lines of the X-Men suits or something. The yellow and the green can totally go...use a dark red to make different then the bat suit.

I think it would be smarter to make Bruce as more of a big brother figure then a father figure for Robin...or a slight mix of both. By the time the fourth film comes around we won't be dealing with a 'young' batman anymore so Robin can fit in.

We know that there will be no Robin for the third film but if they start a second trilogy I think they would need a new premises...if nothing more to keep people interested.

Also lets assume that this franchise continues With or without Nolan...I would much rather see Nolan do Robin then see his successor screw it up and have everybody blame the failure of the franchise on Robin again.

If there is a second trilogy it needs Robin. The general audience will stop caring after awhile unless you through them something new.

 

[Cadetak]

Robin Begins

I like the idea of using glasses instead of the mask thing. Although they would need to find a way for them to stay on.

 

[The War Machine]

Cast this kid:

Logan Lerman as Robin

*Worked with Christian Bale before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WCA2dnRkYo

 

[bestever23]

I'd be so happy if they put robin in the third
It'sd most def make up for not having the joker no more

 

[That'ssuper!]

Why include Robin in this franchise at all?

 

[Lestat74]

That goes too fast to be considered in a serious manner.

So um, sure Joel.

I don't know why it "goes by too fast" as you say. Especially if years pass between films. If Batman were a television series, then I'd say do it...take it slow and have everything flow over a long period of time. Television affords you that luxury.Seven seasons of a serious Batman tv show would be heaven. But we are talking about movies here, and let's say you get a director for the next series...how many movies do you think he'd take on? I'd say 3 at best. I doubt you get anyone of any caliber commit to a Batman and Robin series of 6 films or something like that.

With movies, you gotta hit the broad strokes. Just look at Batman Begins and it's structure: We have SO many eras of Baman represented...the 70's Denny O'neil/Neal Adams era, The Frank Miller Year One era, and even a dash of the Long Halloween era. Sam Raimi's first Spider-Man movie condensed the whole first decade of Spidey and brought it in to a 2 hour running time. Again, film is not like tv or comics were you can take your sweet time. It's all about immediacy and forward momentum. Another example is Firefly/Serenity. Serenity was made up of ideas that would have been season 2 of Firefly, but condensed to move at a much quicker clip for a movie. While no doubt many people would have loved to have a year 2 of Firefly, I don't think many people felt Serenity didn't hold it's own as a film. Again, movies are all about hitting the broad strokes, especially when adapting a 70 year mythology.

And I don't really get the Joel Schumacher remark....didn't he only have one Robin in his movies? I'm not sure what I said implies I'd be going for something Schumacher-esque.

 

[CaptainClown]

i never understood the interest in robin, oh well..

 

[Apollo]

anyone know if they ever called him Richard in the comics?? or is he always called dick?

 

[GL1]

Why would the league

Reasons why I love Grayson, even for a Nolan movie

1) Grayson is the one whom best carries the kind of sarcastic banter that they put in Lucious, Alfred and even Bruce's mouth.

2) Taking care of Grayson is a glorious way to show how Bruce Wayne deals with the concept of the future, how he pictures his destiny and makes the theme of the movie bigger than uh-oh bad guy's here gottarun!

3) Dark creepy kids are great, and Grayson carries that well

4) Grayson is a longstanding part of the Bamtan mythos, like the Batmobile, Alfred, Commisioner Gordon and The Joker. He shouldn't be left out because people don't know how to color his costume black.

In response to an earlier comment about how to not repeat the Batman 3 scene...

1) Make Dick Grayson a heckuva lot younger, y'know like the comics
2) Take away the whole other brother thing
3) Make it a more mom & pop muted color circus as opposed to barnum and bailey's on acid
4) Focus the scene on Bruce, for the most part, as opposed to on Grayson

Change up the trapeeze act and boom... you have a TOTALLY different scene, even if it depicts, more or less, the same event.

 

[Artistsean]

I was watching Batman Begins the other day and I saw a scene that, I think, could sort of explain why Batman would leave Gothem and maybe even bring in Robin.

In the first Batman film Alfred asks Bruce if he plans to stay in Gothem for long,
Bruce replies, "as long as it takes to show the people of Gothem that the city doesn't belong to the criminals and the corrupt."

That got me thinking, what if Bruce started to see some changes in Gothem. Not only are the police mostly free of corruption, but the citizens are starting to stand up for themselves, and maybe even some random vigilantee types (inspired by Batman) have appeared here and there.
I also don't see this Bruce taking on a sidekick, but I don't think its out of this Bruce's character to start training an apprentise. I see him training someone to take over as Batman as an emergency. Because Bruce is jujst a man, he can be killed or age or get hurt. But Batman is immortal.
And thats where Nightwing could come in.
This Nightwing/Robin could also tie into the Teen Titans too.

And after Bruce sees that Gothem is in good hands and is on the way to recover, not being as lost as when he first returned, he moves his War on Crime to a global level and starts the Justice League.
A group of the most powerful heroes on Earth. As individuals they are weaker and more vulnerable but as a team they can really improve things.
If they use Brandon Routh, or imply that he is the Superman from that movie, then they could tie it into the Superman films too.

 

[The Purdom]

Because Dick Grayson is an integral part of who Batman is. Nolan's Batman doesn't need Robin yet. Bats has to have a few years under his belt, I've always seen the relationship between both of them coming together after Batman loosing his faith in what he's doing, Dick makes him human again. And Batman has to scare the crap out of him on the ride home ala Frank Miller, with out all the 'goddamns'.

 

[GZUS]

I actually like the whole Robin/Nightwing thing.