The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

[Nefilim]

hmmmm... i'll try it sometime this week. Need to look for some good pics of those guys you mentioned.

6:08AM now, haven't slept a wink yet!

 

[Matt.S99]

thanks Nefilim!

 

[Nepenthes]

what the hell is a rube anyway?

 

[El Payaso]

Never rube another man's rube-arb.

That's all you need to know about it.

 

[The Joker_1000]

:hobjo:

 

[Dark Sentinel]

My ideas for Dick Grayson/Robin in the Nolanverse:

• Begin in the 4th film. Let's firmly establish Batman for 3 films (the last being Shadow of the Bat, or whatever it will be called.)
• Begin Dick's story right at the beginning of Film 4, like Begins. Have him and the Flying Graysons be a famous acrobatic troupe, with Dick the "attraction" because of his age (13-14 at the time) and skill.
• The death of Dick's parents as usual, by Tony Zucco.
• Flash forward about 5-7 years. Dick is now comparable to a "former child star" and though he received a small fortune through donations and trusts, he is now rebellious. Maybe have him be a smoker, too, just as a consequence of his own inner turmoil.
• Bruce reads an article in the Gotham Times about the cotinued existence of the Falcone Crime Family. The article mentions Tony Zucco and the Flying Grayson's murder, and Dick's downward spiral since. This spark's Bruce's interest in Grayson, by now 18-21.
• By this time, Wayne Manor is rebuilt, so Bruce offers Grayson his Gotham penthouse. Grudgingly, Grayson accepts the offer ("I'm no charity case, Wayne.")
• Grayson someow inadvertently discovers the "backup headquarders) below the penthouse. There he finds spare Nomex Mark I suits (the first suit Bruce wore in Begins, complete with a spare climbing belt, in its original form.) He also fabricates his own mask.
• Grayson uses these to become his own vigilante.
• Over the course of the film Grayson continually modifies the Mark I suit (spraypainting it burgundy or some other dark matte shade of red) I like the idea that he keeps the climbing harness on the belt, if anything for aesthetic reasons. No cape, though. At least not yet.
• Bruce is no idiot (obviously)..He quickly figures out Dick's ruse, and confronts him about it. This addresses the central theme of the movie, the difference between justice and revenge (as addressed in the first film) and the search for a father figure, as well as the pain of loss.
• I like the idea of "Robin" being a nickname given to Dick by his older brother (a la Batman Forever). In this case, however, have it be a nickname that his whole family gives to him. Thus, he adopts it as a way to honor their memory.

I don't have a full storyline out yet, with villains and such. But I do think that Batman and Robin's "arrangement" should be nothing more than that--an arrangement. Batman grudgingly accept's Robin's help, but this doesn't put Robin in the "sidekick" role. Also, I don't think Robin should last longer than the following film...by the end of that one, he should move on to being Nightwing.

 

[wellsy]

Dark Sentinel, while you've got some decent ideas there, first of all, 18-21 is a bit too old for him to start being Robin. Not to mention we've also got to consider him training in order to become fairly proficient in martial arts.

And I wasn't aware that Dick actually had an older brother in the comics. While I'm not exactly against it, it might help in differentiating the current franchise from the previous one if the origin is slightly tweaked in that regard (ie Dick is an only child).

Finally, I'd also like to point out that the story you're writing is more reminiscent of Robin Begins than a Batman movie. If its a Batman movie we're after, then let's leave Robin as a supporting character, a la Roy Mustang to Edward Elric in FullMetal Alchemist.

Nightwing - now that's some news. Might be interesting if its true...

 

[Dark Sentinel]

Dark Sentinel, while you've got some decent ideas there, first of all, 18-21 is a bit too old for him to start being Robin. Not to mention we've also got to consider him training in order to become fairly proficient in martial arts.

And I wasn't aware that Dick actually had an older brother in the comics. While I'm not exactly against it, it might help in differentiating the current franchise from the previous one if the origin is slightly tweaked in that regard (ie Dick is an only child).

Finally, I'd also like to point out that the story you're writing is more reminiscent of Robin Begins than a Batman movie. If its a Batman movie we're after, then let's leave Robin as a supporting character, a la Roy Mustang to Edward Elric in FullMetal Alchemist.

Nightwing - now that's some news. Might be interesting if its true...

well, any origin story will be a "Robin Begins"...that's just inevitable. The trick is to weave that thread of story in with Batman's overall story for that film. It's all about connecting Dick's/Robin's story with the main one, rather than making it the main story. Do enough to keep people interested and maybe wanting more. but it all depends on how the actor plays it.

EDIT: Yeah, Dick had a brother..while I'm not sure it's canon but it was in BF..i think that the presence of a brother, an older brother in particular, gives the "Robin" nickname more weight.

 

[larryfilmmaker]

Why not have young Dick showing serious issues as a result of his parents' death and a need for vengeance. Bruce tries to steer him away but it's clear the boy feels the exact same way he once did and will go down the same road if not guided. Bruce doesn't begin training him right away, but instead he sends him away and Grayson trains alone around the world as Bruce once did. The story stays with Batman as he battles villains and we don't see Grayson again until the next movie, when he returns at just the right moment.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Well there have been speculation that a dick grayson character might surface in the nolan universe of batman. But if there were to be a dick grayson character should he become robin or nightwing?

Well perhaps if dick grayson was introduced to the franchise he would be introduced as a abandoned ophan in his teens, maybe 16 or something like that.

And while dick grayson was little, maybe 6 or 7, he runs into a bruce wayne (in his teens) and they discuss there losses, bruce knowing that dick is a orphan that lost his parents to the mob. They discuss how gotham can be saved and how both of them will avenge there parents death. So dick (a child) and bruce (a teenager) become somewhat friends with tensions and differences. Then Bruce suddenly leaves gotham without anyone knowing (Batman Begins). And then years later after bruce had returned and had become the dark knight, batman is in a footrace to catch a thug that escaped the asylum. And then batman is about to catch the thug, when suddenly someone jumps from the rooftop and topples the thug, that someone is Nightwing. Nightwing then introduces himself to batman saying "hello bruce". Nightwing knew that bruce had become batman from their talks in the past about catching the criminals one day. Batman says "how do you know who i am?" Nightwing responds "oh bruce, you dont remember little old me, how many abandoned orphans do you run into when your young huh bruce?". Then bruce (batman) says "Dick?"
Nightwing says "in the flesh, you didnt think id survive in the narrows did you? Well people also didnt think bruce wayne wouldnt come back after 7 years".



Well guys this is what i have so far, let me know what you think and if i should add more. thanks.
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[Savage]

Come to think of it, wouldn't it be cool if Zucko was in one of the gangs in The Dark Knight? Nice little bit of forshadowing there. Establish the character early.

 

[Savage]

Well there have been speculation that a dick grayson character might surface in the nolan universe of batman. But if there were to be a dick grayson character should he become robin or nightwing?

Well perhaps if dick grayson was introduced to the franchise he would be introduced as a abandoned ophan in his teens, maybe 16 or something like that.

And while dick grayson was little, maybe 6 or 7, he runs into a bruce wayne (in his teens) and they discuss there losses, bruce knowing that dick is a orphan that lost his parents to the mob. They discuss how gotham can be saved and how both of them will avenge there parents death. So dick (a child) and bruce (a teenager) become somewhat friends with tensions and differences. Then Bruce suddenly leaves gotham without anyone knowing (Batman Begins). And then years later after bruce had returned and had become the dark knight, batman is in a footrace to catch a thug that escaped the asylum. And then batman is about to catch the thug, when suddenly someone jumps from the rooftop and topples the thug, that someone is Nightwing. Nightwing then introduces himself to batman saying "hello bruce". Nightwing knew that bruce had become batman from their talks in the past about catching the criminals one day. Batman says "how do you know who i am?" Nightwing responds "oh bruce, you dont remember little old me, how many abandoned orphans do you run into when your young huh bruce?". Then bruce (batman) says "Dick?"
Nightwing says "in the flesh, you didnt think id survive in the narrows did you? Well people also didnt think bruce wayne wouldnt come back after 7 years".



Well guys this is what i have so far, let me know what you think and if i should add more. thanks.
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That's pretty good and would work with the Teen Titans movie they're making that involves Nightwing.

Thing is the fallout between Batman and Robin that resulted in him becoming Nightwing was always pretty important. I like how Robin/Nightwing is this sharp contrast from Batman's personality. They both start out the same but grow so differently with Bruce Wayne becoming darker and more lost in his "monster" (forshadowed by Alfred in Begins) while Dick is a pretty normal and well adjusted guy for all intents and purposes. He's never used fear as his weapon. It's always been sheer skill and he's even been quite the wise ass.

 

[The Joker_1000]

So, after Dick becomes Nightwing, is he more on Batman's level or would he lose to Batman easily?

 

[Savage]

Oh he'd still lose to Batman. Experience will trump him every time. He's just a better leader than Batman. That is where he excells. With combat and detective skills he'll always be second to Bats.

 

[Crook]

The real question is if he's a better successor to Bats, than Tim is.

 

[The Joker_1000]

Hell yeah he's a better successor. I like Tim Drake's Robin but I think Richard Grayson will always be the best Nightwing & the closest person to actually being like Batman.

 

[The Joker_1000]

Oh he'd still lose to Batman. Experience will trump him every time. He's just a better leader than Batman. That is where he excells. With combat and detective skills he'll always be second to Bats.

It seems like Batman has that martial arts training that no one can trumph. Btw, I've always wanted to know, is it possible for Batman to get any bigger or stronger or is he as strong as he's ever going to get? You'd think that with people like Bane running around Batman would try to get a little stronger to be able to try to take him.

 

[Crook]

It seems like Batman has that martial arts training that no one can trumph.

He's admittedly had his ass beat by Lady Shiva....multiple times.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I meant to say it seems like no other martial artist besides Ra's seems to be on his level. I wonder who'd win in a fight if Superman were powerless and didn't know martial arts....?

 

[Savage]

It seems like Batman has that martial arts training that no one can trumph. Btw, I've always wanted to know, is it possible for Batman to get any bigger or stronger or is he as strong as he's ever going to get? You'd think that with people like Bane running around Batman would try to get a little stronger to be able to try to take him.

He'd sacrifice speed if he put on too much bulk. There's a reason the best runners are skinny. I think the point is that Batman has reached the perfect balance physically of speed, agility, and strength but it does not make him the best at any of them. He's still the world's greatest detective. That's his thing. There are better people in other departments though.

 

[Savage]

I meant to say it seems like no other martial artist besides Ra's seems to be on his level. I wonder who'd win in a fight if Superman were powerless and didn't know martial arts....?

Well Superman seems to be able to be defeated by old people without his powers. Truth is, he's just this guy from Kansas (physically speaking) without his powers. Batman would trounce him easier than he would Killer Croc.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I know that Batman would beat him, I was just saying it'd be cool if Superman lost his powers & he learned a little martial arts.

 

[The Joker_1000]

He'd sacrifice speed if he put on too much bulk. There's a reason the best runners are skinny. I think the point is that Batman has reached the perfect balance physically of speed, agility, and strength but it does not make him the best at any of them. He's still the world's greatest detective. That's his thing. There are better people in other departments though.

I was just wondering why he never tries to get bigger because he knows that Bane is stronger & will almost always be able to beat him in a physical fight. One idea that would be kind of cool to see would be Batman with the Venom which he could use in a fight with Bane.

 

[Savage]

I think there actually was a story arc that explored that.

But yeah, strength and size is not always what matters in a fight. Just ask Nathan Jones.

 

[Crook]

I meant to say it seems like no other martial artist besides Ra's seems to be on his level.

Lady Shiva and Cassandra Cain are both better than Ra's and Bats.