Aerial Fight Sequence vs. Train Sequence

[The Joker]

Too bad it's so slight hardly anybody notices. That kind of defeats the purpose of putting it in there.

He doesn't look like he senses danger there. He looks like he hears a strange noise behind him. All the other times in the previous movies when his spider sense goes off, his eyes widen in horror.

Not the case there. If his Spidey sense did go off, and I do say if, then it was very poorly shown.

 

[Spider-Girl™]

Too bad it's so slight hardly anybody notices. That kind of defeats the purpose of putting it in there.

I am guessing it will be more..."visible" on the big screen. But I agree, they wrote it in but didn't put any focus on it.

He doesn't look like he senses danger there. He looks like he hears a strange noise behind him. All the other times in the previous movies when his spider sense goes off, his eyes widen in horror.



Not the case there. If his Spidey sense did go off, and I do say if, then it was very poorly shown.

I am keeping my fingers crossed (but not my hopes up) that since the V-man is in the movie, maybe they'll touch up on levels of Spider sense..(yea I know wishful thinking)

 

[XXTBWCXX]

I am keeping my fingers crossed (but not my hopes up) that since the V-man is in the movie, maybe they'll touch up on levels of Spider sense..(yea I know wishful thinking)

Would they remember that Peter's spider sense doesn't work for Venom? Since Raimi likes the classic villains the most, will he and/or the screenwriters remember that part?

 

[Spider-Girl™]

Would they remember that Peter's spider sense doesn't work for Venom? Since Raimi likes the classic villains the most, will he and/or the screenwriters remember that part?

The focus of the end of the next trailer is supposed to touch base on that. Peter is looking around for a hidden enemie, Venom reaches he hand into the shot and pulls Spidey up.

 

[November Rain]

When I first saw Spider-Man 2, I was really impressed with the train sequence, but then after that and when I got the DVD, it was just 'ehh' (don't get me wrong, that fight was a whole lot better than the other two or three fights from the first one), but when I saw the aerial sequence between Harry and Peter, it was just amazing...and I kept on seeing it over and over, and it is just still amazing, so that fight is way better...and I'm not the only one who is still in aww when I watch it.

you've pretty much just expressed that the only reason you prefer the aerial one is because its new.

if you've never seen any of these films and you watched each one individually, i'm fairly certain you'd think differently.

how two components going all out against one another across two battle fields with spidey pretty much showing every single variation of his powers and webbing ability, not to mentions feats of strength, agility, flexibility, acrobatic awareness and self sacrifice be better than a completely one sided complete bout domination.

If parker really wanted harry out of the way, he would have dealt with him in a more menacing manner right after he got hit into the wall.

 

[I_Hate_U_All]

The train fight at least had the public involved. this one seemed like a dream sequence or videogame cut scene because New York was so not New York.

Oh and Harry Potter vs the Dragon wins for me. I don't care if he's not spider-man. That scene was cool.

 

[fu manchu]

Although I love both scenes, I would give the slight edge to the Train Sequence from SM2. That sequence had more going on than just a fight between two adversaries (spidey also had to save the people in train while still fighting Doc Ock).

 

[FinchersGhost]

Watching the Train fight in the theater brought a huge, honest smile to my face. You know that "I can't believe I'm watching something this cool" smile.

I've only had that experience 3 times at the theater:
SM2 Train Fight
The King Kong chase/T-Rex sequence
All of Jurassic Park 1

So, my vote goes to SM2 Train. But that could very well channge once I see the Harry Fight on the big screen. The screen makes ALL the difference.

 

[November Rain]

you didn't feel like that watching the final swing sequence of spidey 1?

wow

 

[Spider-Bite]

I thought the fight with Harry was really awesome. Everything the aerial fights in part 1 lacked. I was really impressed by the choreography and everything.

But the fight scene of part 2? I think the bank/auntmay/building fight and the clock tower/train scene are both way better than the fight with harry.

 

[shigsy2003]

It is a massive shame that his Spidey Sense doesn't seem to go off (I mean he could have turned around and still got abducted. Who knows maybe in the final soundtrack we will hear the Spider Sense noise?) but the sequence is so good I can mostly forgive it.

 

[XXTBWCXX]

you've pretty much just expressed that the only reason you prefer the aerial one is because its new.

if you've never seen any of these films and you watched each one individually, i'm fairly certain you'd think differently.

how two components going all out against one another across two battle fields with spidey pretty much showing every single variation of his powers and webbing ability, not to mentions feats of strength, agility, flexibility, acrobatic awareness and self sacrifice be better than a completely one sided complete bout domination.

If parker really wanted harry out of the way, he would have dealt with him in a more menacing manner right after he got hit into the wall.

The Peter/Harry fight tests Peter's agility and etc. more though, doesn't he? He does more stuff while in the air than he has done in the past films...and I have watched those films; everytime I see the first one, I have to see the second one right after, but if the Peter/Harry isn't as good, why do I not get bored with that fight, but when I watch the train sequence, I don't bother rewinding the scene and watching it over again...S-M 3 will have so many better and badder battles than in the last two.

 

[XXTBWCXX]

Watching the Train fight in the theater brought a huge, honest smile to my face. You know that "I can't believe I'm watching something this cool" smile.

I've only had that experience 3 times at the theater:
SM2 Train Fight
The King Kong chase/T-Rex sequence
All of Jurassic Park 1

So, my vote goes to SM2 Train. But that could very well channge once I see the Harry Fight on the big screen. The screen makes ALL the difference.

When the dinosaurs tripped on eachother, that made me smile...and laugh...all in one, lol.

 

[true316]

I can't really pick one over the other. If I really had to pick one it would probably be the train sequence because Peter is having to save others not just himself. I like them both so I voted tie.

 

[Keymaker]

Both are amazingly cool.
However this new one made me think that two surfer characters in one summer might be too much t:

 

[SentinelMind]

Alright peeps, let's not get carried away by this aerial 'fight'

which really wasn't a fight...

it was harry throwing handbags at pete until pete decided to take him down at his own convinience. How can any fight be taken seriously when one opponent is more worried about a falling ring than saving his own skin.

get this into perspective. Harry had acres of time to plan his assault and went down hard to a unmasked man who really didn't want to hurt his friend.

Ock used his surroundings to 'BEAT' spidey who was pissed that he had been beaten up earlier and had his girlfriend stolen from him.

C'mon peeps, harry's attempts were fairly soft and peter made no real attempt to put him down, it's not like he took a second hand from a clock and then whipped it back inches from his face.

I will say that both fights are kinda the first of their kind in the spidey films, first proper ground fight (not counting the bank scene) and the first proper aerial confrontation. Don't let the fact that the latter is groundbreaking make up for content of the battle.

Not only did spidey show more versatility in his ock battle, with webbing and fighting style, he also showed ability to care for by standers by still trying to save the lives of those around him while in battle, not to mention that breathtaking recovery he did when he got hit by ock,smashed into the road and started webswinging.

don't be fulled peeps, even though the fight did take place outside, it happened in a very linear manner, just like the webslinging did in the first film. You only have to notice to over extended sequence down the narrow ally to realise this.

now i'm not saying it looks nice but its lacking in substance. Heck the amount of blows ock takes in spidey 2 lacks substance but meh.

In all i would say the train fight showed on at least three occasions that he wasn't going to let anyone get hurt during the fight even though he really wanted a piece of ock.

pete didn't give two hoots about the bystanders on the aerial fight, there was debris falling everywhere and not only did he not make an attempt to stop it, he was more interested in his ring, than endangering the lives of bystanders. He didn't even tell harry to stop because he might endanger the innocent people around but instead closelines his best friend and is then worried when he's out cold.

looks like parker still got some ego carried over from the last film when he gave up his powers.

You said everything better than I could have....the train sequence seemed more gripping because you could see hundreds of bystanders on the line, a speeding train and intense hits and acrobatic feats of Spider-Man versus a mad scientists with 4 mechanical arms, throwing people wrecklessly into air.

Here you have some nice flying around and swinging, falling debris that's ignored, Peter acting a bit "too nonchalant" and wreckless in the fight. This was a cool fight, but I never felt, "oh my goodness, how will this end" as I did with the train sequence. I think everyone exagerrating this aerial fight simply because of the "newness" factor.


I say the train sequence is better by far.

 

[Superhero 101]

Well i think the aerial scene was good and from judging from the Clip we saw in the SP3 blog it seems that the Train Sequence will be more darker and more intense but the Aerial Scene was really good (but needed more CGI)
So i guess it will be a tie but i am pretty sure that the Battle Royale will take the in the trophy.

 

[bellepheron]

I agree with the idea that every1 is going way over the top because the harry battle is new and never before seen. As an action scene its no way near as grand and spectacular as the train scene. Against Doc Ock there are many more moments that are breath taking (e.g avoiding the bridge and the other train with his spidey sense, catching up with the train having been punched off it, catching the civilians, stopping the train!! showing spidey stretched to the maximum of his abilities to save others and himself!! the harry fight is more of a brawl where hes taken by suprise and cant do much to retaliate other than run away!! Harry fight = very cool and exciting but not even comparable to train scene!!

 

[SentinelMind]

Another thing I notice is that Peter seems more focused in catching the ring to make sure his friend ....doesn't die???...watch the part where Peter kicks and swings Harry off his glider,...there's nothing to suggest that it is certain Harry will survive the fall, but Peter is busy catching the ring than see if Harry will actually live the high descent to the ground. It makes it look like Peter is really overconfident.

 

[InsomniacFreak]

Another thing I notice is that Peter seems more focused in catching the ring to make sure his friend ....doesn't die???...watch the part where Peter kicks and swings Harry off his glider,...there's nothing to suggest that it is certain Harry will survive the fall, but Peter is busy catching the ring than see if Harry will actually live the high descent to the ground. It makes it look like Peter is really overconfident.

Well for one, it's a pretty important piece of jewelry - his Aunt May's wedding ring - ENORMOUS sentimental value to her and to him before even considering its grand purpose in his proposing to MJ.

There is a lot of conjecture about why no spidey sense is going off. We don't really know the context of the scene really. I mean, why doesn't he have the spidey suit on? He seems to be claiming a few moments for himself - for Peter Parker only. He's obviously extremely pre-occupied and caught up in the moment of excitement at deciding to ask MJ to marry him.

Additionally, maybe on the moped, Peter's slight reaction (as opposed to projecting a full-out Danger-Will-Robinson face) indicates he is experiencing some confusion as to what he is sensing. Harry is his best friend after all. Maybe it was intended to be kind of a surprise moment for Peter and in line with the ups and down extremes of his life. He's about to ask the woman he loves to marry him. From other scenes, presumably the public loves him. He finally has some good things going in his life and yet his best friend wants his head on a platter. Maybe Peter has finally achieved some balance in his life and when spidey took the night off, the spidey sense turns off too. Perhaps he's learned that it's the only way to function normally and have a life with MJ.

As for which scene is the best, I am extremely biased. As much as I LOVED the train scene and how incredibly cool that was, the aerial fight scene was even better for me and I think probably will be for most other hardcore Maguire fans. It was simply a thrill to watch Tobey being so physical and doing his thing in plain street clothes. The choreography was wicked good and there was as much coolness in seeing Peter's display of toughness outside of the suit as there was for me seeing Spidey do things for the first time. From the web-bullets, to the street-fight style elbow/slug fest, to the sling-shot maneuver to the precision of picking off the pumpkin bombs. This aerial fight was the confident Peter Parker that everyone has been dying to see. And it wouldn't have made any sense for Peter to have been this confident in Spider-man 1 against GG. It's like he's a seasoned hero that's leveled up his powers (ala Ultimate Allilance) and is not the least bit tenative in using them. That's a great progression of character. It speaks to how Peter Parker has matured over time and embraced his special gifts.

I am very encouraged by the footage. I think some people will finally feel some satisfaction in what they want to see in Peter Parker. This really could be a film that appeals to all of us fans even with our polarizing views on how Peter should be portrayed.

 

[Josh Bond]

Well i think the aerial scene was good and from judging from the Clip we saw in the SP3 blog it seems that the Train Sequence will be more darker and more intense but the Aerial Scene was really good (but needed more CGI)
So i guess it will be a tie but i am pretty sure that the Battle Royale will take the in the trophy.

We're comparing the spider-man 2 train fight and the spider-man 3 areial fight. It sounds like you talking about the Sandman subway fight in Spider-man 3. I just thought I should let you know.

 

[Mrs_Parker]

I can't really pick one over the other. If I really had to pick one it would probably be the train sequence because Peter is having to save others not just himself. I like them both so I voted tie.

I was thinking the same thing, regarding the train scene. Peter risks his life, and also the life of the one he loves more than any other (by delaying his rescue of MJ) to instead submit himself willingly to the torture of nearly being rent in two, to save the people on the train. It's a completely selfless, sacrificial act. The aerial scene, amazing as it is, it just can't top that, for me.

 

[blitz]

and now in response to all the posts in this thread......IMAGINE HOW SICK THE BATTLE ROYALE WILL BE IF WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST FIGHT LIKE THIS!

 

[Naite22]

^ I'm thinking of it on a dayli bases!... I believe that they were thinking that they could easily show the Pete vs. Harry fight because there's like 10 times as much action in this one then in the previous films, that it really didn't matter...

 

[Eggyman]

Excellent post. I agree completley.