Aerial Fight Sequence vs. Train Sequence

[November Rain]

The Peter/Harry fight tests Peter's agility and etc. more though, doesn't he? He does more stuff while in the air than he has done in the past films...and I have watched those films; everytime I see the first one, I have to see the second one right after, but if the Peter/Harry isn't as good, why do I not get bored with that fight, but when I watch the train sequence, I don't bother rewinding the scene and watching it over again...S-M 3 will have so many better and badder battles than in the last two.

Tests parker's ability?

parker spends most of the time in that fight flapping when he's not attached to a web. This is spider-man feeling uncomfortable in free fall when he has no webbing problems? completely out of character.

there's no essence of agility in harry's bout. He get's continually hit and web swings in the most basic manner possible, but this is probably due to him having a suit on that restricts his movement.

the only thing parker does in the air that isn't seen before is orbit that building whild firing web balls at harry.

he doesn't save anyone, he doesn't dive through tight poles, he doesn't interact with buildings while webswinging, he doesn't even use his legs for anything, they are pretty much dead weights in the entire clips.

i can explain your reasoning for the train sequence.

First of all, it isn't a true parker/ock fight
Secondly, you've watched it countlessly already
thirdly, it wasn't pre-released before the film
and last but not least, it's no longer new and exciting.

by the time this film gets to dvd, you won't be rewinding this aerial scene either.

 

[November Rain]

I hope everyone realises that this aerial scene is still pretty much the tip of the iceberg between an all out goblin and an all out spiderman...

The spidey sequels have made a conscience effort to make spidey equal or even better than his advesaries...

Norman with prep time was superior to spidey and that's why his fight scene with him at the end was still the most brutal all the franchise so far.

Ock I believe had no way in defeating parker in a duel and hence why he used the train to tire him out first. Based on this, i believe in an equal fight, spidey is a better combatant than ock. I don't personally believe this should be so but meh

I don't care what you all think but harry was completely outclassed and giving a quick masterclass into how to kick ass at the school of hard knocks.


I've always felt like a hero should find it hard to overcome struggles and his adversaries, I'm not to big a fan of this suped up parker. Not that i don't like that he's really good and is visually more confident and better at bouting with every film but that his enemies arent that much better.

I really do hope sandman and venom manage to beat him fair and square, it'd be nice to see a truelly defeated parker for a change, one that has to use science and his intelligence to overcome his enemies rather than expert fighting skills and brute force all the time.

meh

 

[Eggyman]

You're a glass is half empty kinda gal ain't ya?

 

[November Rain]

no, i just say it as i see it.

I give props where they are due.

 

[Naite22]

You said everything better than I could have....the train sequence seemed more gripping because you could see hundreds of bystanders on the line, a speeding train and intense hits and acrobatic feats of Spider-Man versus a mad scientists with 4 mechanical arms, throwing people wrecklessly into air.

Here you have some nice flying around and swinging, falling debris that's ignored, Peter acting a bit "too nonchalant" and wreckless in the fight. This was a cool fight, but I never felt, "oh my goodness, how will this end" as I did with the train sequence. I think everyone exagerrating this aerial fight simply because of the "newness" factor.


I say the train sequence is better by far.

And it's about to get BETTER!!! When April 16'th comes around!!! (Spidey 2.1)

 

[November Rain]

Trailer for 2.1

i don't see why they just simply didn't leave this footage in when they got the chance

i'm going to learn my lesson this time...i'll buy a pirate copy of spidey 3 and i will wait for 3.1 to come out and buy than instead of getting the original dvd at my first opportunity.

those extended fights actually look kinda decent

 

[Eggyman]

No no no, Ms Rain!!! Do not buy pirate copies, SONY needs your money -- they are poor.

I myself don't actually mind buying 2 versions of the same film; there are that few films I see as worthy enough to purchase these days that it doesn't hurt my wallet. The only films I have in mind to buy in the near future are 'The Prestiege', and also 'Casino Royale'.

 

[November Rain]

it's not like i'm buying a pirate copy 'instead' of an original, i'm buying one to supplement it until it comes out, there's a big difference.

 

[Eggyman]

I know, I know . . .

 

[SpideyZERO]

The aerial fight is winning? Oh man

I think train is a lot better. Please Spidey is in suit

 

[Naite22]

Trailer for 2.1

i don't see why they just simply didn't leave this footage in when they got the chance

i'm going to learn my lesson this time...i'll buy a pirate copy of spidey 3 and i will wait for 3.1 to come out and buy than instead of getting the original dvd at my first opportunity.

those extended fights actually look kinda decent

I was thinking the same, but the point is that they had a dead-line for the film (as all others) and they sadly didn't have the time to finish it for the June 30'th release... but at least we're getting it now!!!

 

[The Joker]

No no no, Ms Rain!!! Do not buy pirate copies, SONY needs your money -- they are poor.

Miss Rain???

You had a sex change, Odin??

 

[Golgo-13]

I don't know why you guys are *****ing about the Spider Sense. Yeah, it should have went off but just looking at the past 2 movies, you can tell Raimi only uses it when he see fit, which is a betrayal to the sense itself, because it's an 'automatic' response, that has no 'off-switch'. If there's danger, it sounds. If there's no danger it doesn't sound. Period. There's no if's, ands, and buts about it.

Not using it during the building fire in SM 1, and not using it during the bank scene in SM 2 has set the president for what the film makers think about the Spider sense; a tool of convienience. :

 

[November Rain]

I was thinking the same, but the point is that they had a dead-line for the film (as all others) and they sadly didn't have the time to finish it for the June 30'th release... but at least we're getting it now!!!

oh i see, to me it just seems like they've hold some things back on purpose in order to get extra sales from die hard fans who they know will end up getting both copies.

seems a lil cruel in my eyes but meh...

at least if they made it sound like a director's cut, it would sound better but the 2.1 just makes it sound like a money grabbing scheme...

 

[November Rain]

Miss Rain???

You had a sex change, Odin??

it's this single mother thing, everyone is being presumptious about it.



funny how people don't even ask. Personally i've never judged anyone from their custom title...

meh...:heart:

 

[Eggyman]

Not using it during the building fire in SM 1, and not using it during the bank scene in SM 2 has set the president for what the film makers think about the Spider sense; a tool of convienience. :

1: The burning building scene is a bad example -- his Spidey Sense would be screaming anyway.

2: When in the bank scene did it not go off?

 

[November Rain]

I don't know why you guys are *****ing about the Spider Sense. Yeah, it should have went off but just looking at the past 2 movies, you can tell Raimi only uses it when he see fit, which is a betrayal to the sense itself, because it's an 'automatic' response, that has no 'off-switch'. If there's danger, it sounds. If there's no danger it doesn't sound. Period. There's no if's, ands, and buts about it.

Not using it during the building fire in SM 1, and not using it during the bank scene in SM 2 has set the president for what the film makers think about the Spider sense; a tool of convienience. :

spidey's sense has also been used as a tool of convinience in the comics as well, not to also mention his web shooters running out of fluid. I'm sure the most detailed fan could spot about 100 or so incidents in the comics where his senses haven't worked when they should have.

as you said both the original films had areas where it should have gone off but didn't and variations between iminent and long term danger has also varied.

One simply has to accept that it doesn't work in the scene and take it as it is. Who knows, harry may have gotten pete with something to negate his spidey sense.

my concern isn't about whether it goes off or not, but rather peter's reaction to it not going off.

Personally i don't think pete even truelly is aware of this ability of his so rationalising it in the manner i would expect shouldn't really be expected.

meh.

 

[November Rain]

2: When in the bank scene did it not go off?

big safe door coming in to crush himself and his aunt.

 

[Eggyman]

Sorry for being presumptious, I can understand -- you see, I am not actually an egg.

 

[Eggyman]

big safe door coming in to crush himself and his aunt.

Well forgive me if I'm wrong but I assumed that it did go off -- true, we didn't get the alerting sound and the slow-mo effect . . . but did he not avoid him and his aunt being splattered by the safe door?

 

[November Rain]

only because he heard what was going on, glanced round and reacted accordingly...


not because he got pre-warned due to his spider-sense

 

[Eggyman]

Well in that case his Spider Sense was not needed.

 

[November Rain]

fair, although the presence of ock entering the bank should have been enough to set it off.

 

[Cyrusbales]

The train fight was by far better. Didn't it look like Peter wasn't getting that much beaten up when fighting Harry? I mean no pain on his face except for when he scratchs him with those blades. When Peter looks at the ring he has a friggin grin on his face. It's like he wasn't even treating the fight seriously (insert humorous remark "I hate those things")

It feels much more like a spidey moment though, with the tongue in cheek in the face of adversity, I think it's a better sequence than SM2, which didn;t amaze me a great deal to be honest

 

[Eggyman]

I do understand what you are saying, but this brings up the question of 'What level of danger does the Spidey Sense react to?'.

We have seen it react to Goblin in SM1 when he was just a speck in the sky, but other examples of his Sense alerting him to danger have been more of the 'direct' danger as apose to the 'possible' danger threat.