Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - S02E18 - "The Frenemy of My Enemy"

[gerrym51]

I thought he was a great villain in the first 3 episodes of the season, very menancing and with great presence, but beginning with episode 4 I felt they slowly turned him into a pastiche, being the regulars' punching bag. Such a letdown.

Still skeptical about Bakshi in 2.18, for all we know his inclusion in the poster may be just a ruse to keep his fate under wraps.

because of lead time needed to draw a poster maybe Bakshi was supposed to be in the episode.

he is not a big enough character to be kept under wraps though

 

[Demileto]

First sneak peek is out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ez-CLB5Dc8

 

[DN91]

Who's the guy trailing Fitz? I doubt it's one of the people at the diner.

 

[iambranded]

Bakshi was brainwashed by 33 or dead. t:

He's complying to Ward and Agent 33 by giving up all of his Hydra secrets
Perfect timing Coulson is in hot pursuit of Ward......

 

[Pokkle]

He's complying to Ward and Agent 33 by giving up all of his Hydra secrets
Perfect timing Coulson is in hot pursuit of Ward......

Yeah I think Ward will help to find Hydra/Dr List but I am wondering what he will want in exchange.

 

[Uskok]

Yeah I think Ward will help to find Hydra/Dr List but I am wondering what he will want in exchange.

Amnesty for his crimes, probably.

 

[gerrym51]

Amnesty for his crimes, probably.

Coulson does not have the power to give 'true amnesty' to Ward and Ward knows it.

He does have the power to put him in Shield and give him a new name-Frank Castle maybe

 

[just one thing]

maybe coulson could add some information to agent 33 past. Can see ward attempting to 'fix' something for fitz or attempt to make amends in some way, seems to be the buzz he is on. Not sure to presume a double cross in it somewhere for coulson and deathlock over them killing garrett. The episode couslon handed ward over to his brother there was a few exchanges, about 'establishing trust' coulsons not sure who to believe ward or the brother and wards escape.

 

[The Shrike]

Coulson does not have the power to give 'true amnesty' to Ward and Ward knows it.

He does have the power to put him in Shield and give him a new name-Frank Castle maybe

Or Tony Masters, which would set up Secret Avengers perfectly.

 

[The Shrike]

First sneak peek is out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ez-CLB5Dc8

The look on Fitz's face when Coulson said

Spoiler

we're making a deal with Ward

combined with Hunter looking away and wincing made me laugh.

 

[Dregride]

In the sneak peak a word appears on the toolbox that says "echidna"
I'm kinda wondering what echidna is now or if it's just random stuff

 

[Mike Murdock]

It's a monotreme

 

[Humbugged]

In the sneak peak a word appears on the toolbox that says "echidna"
I'm kinda wondering what echidna is now or if it's just random stuff

In real life an Echidna is an Australian spiny anteater

The name though comes from Greek Mythology .Echidna was married to Typhon (who is a Marvel character)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echidna_%28mythology%29

Descriptions

Hesiod's Echidna was half beautiful maiden (presumably the upper half) and half fearsome snake. Hesiod described "the goddess fierce Echidna" as a flesh eating "monster, irresistible", who was like neither "mortal men" nor "the undying gods", but was "half a nymph with glancing eyes and fair cheeks, and half again a huge snake, great and awful, with speckled skin", who "dies not nor grows old all her days."[9] Hesiod's apparent association of the eating of raw flesh with Echidna's snake half, suggests that Hesiod may have supposed that Echidna's snake half ended in a snake-head.[10] And Aristophanes, who makes Echidna a monster of the underworld, gives her a hundred heads (presumably snake heads), matching the hundred snake heads Hesiod says her mate Typhon had.[11]
In the Orphic account (mentioned above) Echidna is described as having the head of a beautiful woman with long hair, and a serpent's body from the neck down.[12] Nonnus, in his Dionysiaca, describes Echidna as being "hideous", with "horrible poison".[13]
Offspring

According to Hesiod's Theogony, the "terrible" and "lawless" Typhon, "was joined in love to [Echidna], the maid with glancing eyes" and she bore "fierce offspring".[14] First there was Orthrus, the two-headed dog who guarded the Cattle of Geryon, second Cerberus, the multiheaded dog who guarded the gates of Hades, and third the Lernaean Hydra, the many-headed serpent who, when one of its heads was cut off, grew two more.[15] The Theogony may also have given Echidna as the mother of the Chimera, a fire-breathing beast that was part lion, part goat, and had a snake-headed tail,[16] though possibly the Hydra or even Ceto was meant as the mother of the Chimera instead.[17] Hesiod next mentions the Sphinx and the Nemean lion as having been the offspring of Echidna's son Orthrus, by another ambiguous "she", read variously as the Chimera, Echidna herself, or even Ceto.[18] In any case, the 6th century BC lyric poet Lasus of Hermione, has Echidna and Typhon as the parents of the Sphinx,[19] while the 5th century BC playwright Euripides, has Echidna as her mother, without mentioning a father.[20] To this list of offspring of Echidna and Typhon, the 6th century BC mythographer Acusilaus (along with mentions of Cerberus and "other monsters") adds the Caucasian Eagle, that every day ate the liver of Prometheus,[21] and Pherecydes also names Prometheus' eagle, and adds Ladon, the dragon that guarded the golden apples in the Garden of the Hesperides (according to Hesiod, the offspring of Ceto and Phorcys).
Later authors mostly retain these offspring of Echidna and Typhon while adding others. Apollodorus, in addition to having as their offspring Orthrus, the Chimera (citing Hesiod as his source), the Sphinx, the Caucasian Eagle, Ladon, and probably the Nemean lion (only Typhon is named), also has the Crommyonian Sow, killed by the hero Theseus (unmentioned by Hesiod). Hyginus in his list of offspring of Echidna (all by Typhon), retains from the above: Cerberus, the Chimera, the Sphinx, the Hydra and Ladon, and adds "Gorgon" (by which Hyginus means the mother of Medusa rather than Hesiod's three Gorgons, daughters of Phorcys and Ceto, of which Medusa was one), the Colchian Dragon that guarded the Golden Fleece[26] and Scylla.
Nonnus makes Echidna the mother of an unnamed, venom spitting, "huge" son, with "snaky" feet, an ally of Cronus in his war with Zeus, who was killed by Ares. The sea serpents which attacked the Trojan priest Laocoön, during the Trojan War, were perhaps supposed to be the progeny of Echdna and Typhon. Echidna was also supposed to be the mother by Heracles, of Scythes, an eponymous king of the Scythians, along with his brothers Agathyrsus and Gelonus (see below).
Cave

According to Hesiod, Echidna was born in a cave, and lived alone (in that same cave, or perhaps another) "beneath the secret parts of the holy earth ... deep down under a hollow rock far from the deathless gods and mortal men", a place appointed by gods, where she "keeps guard in Arima".It was from this cave, presumably, as Apollodorus tells us, that she used to "carry off passers-by".
Hesiod does not say where Arima might be, but presumably, it is the same place where, according to Homer, Zeus fought Typhon, which Homer describes as "the country of the Arimi [Ἀρίμοις], where men say is the couch [bed] of Typhoeus", Typhoeus being another name for Typhon. The late sixth century early fifth century BC poet Pindar has Typhon born in Cilicia,and has Zeus slaying Typhon "among the Arimoi",] and the fourth century BC historian Callisthenes located the Arimoi and the Arima mountains in Cilicia, near the Calycadnus river, the Corycian cave and the Sarpedon promomtory.
Quintus Smyrnaeus locates her cave "close on the borders of Eternal Night".

So Mother Of Monsters - including The Hydra

 

[DN91]

"My sources say that they're researching powered people..."

(Does that mean Phil has more people other than Mike Peterson trailing Hydra?)

 

[Humbugged]

dr list is looking for powered people, gonzales thinks fury and coulson are hiding powered people could be a misdirect but its suggestive.

And whatever the seemingly random character inclusion of Edgar and his trip to Prague is will be the key ,for the Inhumans to pile in the three way suspicionathon that will be them and the 2 SHIELDS working together in 2.19


So we could have 6 missing Diviners and a posssibly kidnapped Edgar subjected to the Mists if BVS/Lizt can get them activated .

 

[David_99]

In real life an Echidna is an Australian spiny anteater

Looks like Raina t:

 

[kosh33]

Echidna was a technological company developed by HYDRA in the comics
http://marvel.wikia.com/Echidna_Capital_Management_(Earth-616)

 

[kosh33]

Looks like Raina t:

Confirmed, the Echidna is the clairvoyant!

 

[kosh33]

"My sources say that they're researching powered people..."

(Does that mean Phil has more people other than Mike Peterson trailing Hydra?)

Could be Maria/Fury

 

[Demileto]

So we could have 6 missing Diviners and a posssibly kidnapped Edgar subjected to the Mists if BVS/Lizt can get them activated .

In all honestly, I'm more inclined to believe Ethan is going to betray the Inhumans for a chance of undergoing Terrigenesis than being forced to do it altogether.

 

[Mike5575]

In real life an Echidna is an Australian spiny anteater

The name though comes from Greek Mythology .Echidna was married to Typhon (who is a Marvel character)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echidna_%28mythology%29


So Mother Of Monsters - including The Hydra

Yeah, and not mention the Inhuman references as well. Gorgon, Medusa, etc.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Echidna was a technological company developed by HYDRA in the comics
http://marvel.wikia.com/Echidna_Capital_Management_(Earth-616)

Wow, people are good at figuring finding things. Could be an Easter Egg, could be a coincidence. At this point, I'm not sure it matters.

 

[DN91]

Wow, people are good at figuring finding things. Could be an Easter Egg, could be a coincidence. At this point, I'm not sure it matters.

In any case, it's not the first time the show has borrowed from Secret Warriors.

 

[Mike5575]

Coulson does not have the power to give 'true amnesty' to Ward and Ward knows it.

He does have the power to put him in Shield and give him a new name-Frank Castle maybe

Frank Castle would hate Ward, and would probably want to kill him.

 

[Prep Time]

Coulson does not have the power to give 'true amnesty' to Ward and Ward knows it

Coulson might not be able to give Ward immunity. But Coulson might know someone who can such as Colonel Glenn Talbot. Or Talbot can make it happen with other people. Since Talbot really hates Hydra. He could help Ward out. In exchange for Wards info & him helping