BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion (TAG SPOILERS) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 2

[Light]

How did Superman know Lois was in trouble in Africa? Lois used her psychic powers to alert him to her location.

Why did Superman go to fight Batman instead of saving his mom? Snyderism

Why was Batman just waiting on the roof for Superman and no one noticed he was there? Snyderism

How did Lois know the spear would kill Doomsday? Lois in this verse has Superpowers, it explains how she can get to certain locations instantly case in point refer to MOS after Supes kills Zod. And she's physic as well, Lois Lane is the key this will be revealed in Justice League.

Why did Batman make a spear instead of bullets when he uses bullets against thugs? The spear was made to kill doomsday.

How did batman aknowledge Superman was no longer a threat? Martha.

How did Wonder Woman just show up out of nowhere? It was time for her to hype her solo movie coming out next year.

Why is Batman asking Superman if WW is with him? Because he wants to tap that ass and was wondering if she was taken.

How did Lois get to the top of that roof where Supes and Bats were fighting? She has Super powers.

Why was Jack not evacuating Wayne Tower until Bruce told him to? When a cooperate building is being demolished you don't evacuate.....ever until the CEO of said company calls and tells you to.

Why did Lex create Doomsday if he thought Batman would kill Supes anyway? Snyderism

Why is Doomsday more powerful than Zod when mixing Lex's blood would inherently make him weaker? Snyderism

What the hell is Flash talking about? Lois Lane is needed to save the world.

What was the point of the Knighmare sequence in the context of the story? Snyderism

Why didn't Bruce research Supes at all? Snyderism

Top of my head. Go for it

Your welcome.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Your welcome.

Brilliant! *takes two shots of whisky*

 

[Light]

lol What, because they are neighboring cities? Superman can fly around the world, how does being neighbors change anything.

You must seriously hate superman if this is your complaint. And you'll start hating superhero movies more and more since they just keep adding more to the fold on both the MCU and DCEU. Once they introduce captain marvel in the MCU you wont be happy.

I have already said it's a minor gripe, Superman can't be everywhere at once correct but having him as a neighbour literally just across the bay is pretty darn close. People are going to question the legitimacy of the threats to Batman in a solo movie because Superman is just round the corner. I won't say much on it again but I assure you this convo is going to come up sometime in the near future.

 

[RadioSha]

Just finished watching The Fire Rises, a documentary on the TDK trilogy.

Lol total opposite of what Snyder and co. has done and is currently trying to do with this DCEU. Almost made me tear up. Nolan was such a lightning in a bottle.

 

[TripleJ]

I have already said it's a minor gripe, Superman can't be everywhere at once correct but having him as a neighbour literally just across the bay is pretty darn close. People are going to question the legitimacy of the threats to Batman in a solo movie because Superman is just round the corner. I won't say much on it again but I assure you this convo is going to come up sometime in the near future.

It was going to be brought up regardless.

Comic book fans are used to it...well, I guess movie fans will eventually be too

Flash for instance, can literally stop all the crime in the world (land based at least). He has the power...he can change the universe too. Just go back in time and change things.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Just finished watching The Fire Rises, a documentary on the TDK trilogy.

Lol total opposite of what Snyder and co. has done and is currently trying to do with this DCEU. Almost made me tear up. Nolan was such a lightning in a bottle.

That's why it's hard for to fault him with any TDKR missteps (even though I didn't like the movie). He really, truly dared to be different while keeping people (fans/GA) happy. No wonder WB offered him everything to stay on board.

 

[Lougarous]

How did Superman know Lois was in trouble in Africa? She was on assignment so Clark/Supes knows and was probably watching for her being in danger

Why did Superman go to fight Batman instead of saving his mom? Fly in the direction where his mom is located Lex alerts KGBeast

Why was Batman just waiting on the roof for Superman and no one noticed he was there? He shined his light when supes told him not to

How did Lois know the spear would kill Doomsday? I think she saw the electricity coming from the ship before leaving in the chopper and she is a reporter she probably deduced it.

Why did Batman make a spear instead of bullets when he uses bullets against thugs? He knows Superman is faster then a speeing bullet

How did batman aknowledge Superman was no longer a threat? He has a human mom

How did Wonder Woman just show up out of nowhere? Saw the fight on TV when on the flight

Why is Batman asking Superman if WW is with him? She stopped a kryptonian eye blast so he assumes these superpowered people know each other

How did Lois get to the top of that roof where Supes and Bats were fighting? She wasn't on the roof they were down stairs at the end of the fight

Why was Jack not evacuating Wayne Tower until Bruce told him to? The world engine was down so the building was not in danger until Supes got hit thru the building from a distance

Why did Lex create Doomsday if he thought Batman would kill Supes anyway? Back up plan of an intellectual happens all the time in movies and comics

Why is Doomsday more powerful than Zod when mixing Lex's blood would inherently make him weaker? The chamber need a living sample to create Doomsday since Zod is dead and the ship knows the blueprint for Doomsday

What the hell is Flash talking about? Setup for future movies

What was the point of the Knighmare sequence in the context of the story? Flash did ask if he was too early again setup for future movies, foreshadowing

Why didn't Bruce research Supes at all? Probably limited info, since he only had cell phone footage of him from the Zod fight

 

[FunkMiller]

Just finished watching The Fire Rises, a documentary on the TDK trilogy.

Lol total opposite of what Snyder and co. has done and is currently trying to do with this DCEU. Almost made me tear up. Nolan was such a lightning in a bottle.

Saw they made it free on Dailymotion. Someone's trolling Snyder

 

[Light]

That's why it's hard for to fault him with any TDKR missteps (even though I didn't like the movie). He really, truly dared to be different while keeping people (fans/GA) happy. No wonder WB offered him everything to stay on board.

To be fair to Snyder we are operating in a post Avengers age I personally don't think Nolan films would have held up in this comic age. That whole grounded in realism thing really hindered and held Nolan film back.

 

[FunkMiller]

To be fair to Snyder we are operating in a post Avengers age I personally don't think Nolan films would have held up in this comic age. That whole grounded in realism thing really hindered and held Nolan film back.

Yeah.... They would. Batman Begins could come out now, and it would probably do even better business than it did in 2005. Tone doesn't matter. Quality of storytelling does.

 

[TripleJ]

Just finished watching The Fire Rises, a documentary on the TDK trilogy.

Lol total opposite of what Snyder and co. has done and is currently trying to do with this DCEU. Almost made me tear up. Nolan was such a lightning in a bottle.

What do you think Nolan would do with Superman?

A lot of people want Miller to do Superman. But, his version wouldn't be too different from Snyder's:

I think it’s been said many times before: he’s potentially a very boring character because he has no faults," Miller told IGN. "So you really have to find his demons really to get an internal conflict going. You’ve really got to do that. Whether that’s by an external agency or something deep inside himself. You need that conflicted character.

“That’s what made the Greek gods so great. I mean they were jealous, vengeful, hubristic. They had all these things going for them. I think that’s why Batman’s such an interesting character because he’s human, so he’s just like us. He’s relatable, rather than someone who’s just perfect.”

 

[Poni_Boy]

How did Superman know Lois was in trouble in Africa? She was on assignment so Clark/Supes knows and was probably watching for her being in danger

Why did Superman go to fight Batman instead of saving his mom? Fly in the direction where his mom is located Lex alerts KGBeast

Why was Batman just waiting on the roof for Superman and no one noticed he was there? He shined his light when supes told him not to

How did Lois know the spear would kill Doomsday? I think she saw the electricity coming from the ship before leaving in the chopper and she is a reporter she probably deduced it.

Why did Batman make a spear instead of bullets when he uses bullets against thugs? He knows Superman is faster then a speeing bullet

How did batman aknowledge Superman was no longer a threat? He has a human mom

How did Wonder Woman just show up out of nowhere? Saw the fight on TV when on the flight

Why is Batman asking Superman if WW is with him? She stopped a kryptonian eye blast so he assumes these superpowered people know each other

How did Lois get to the top of that roof where Supes and Bats were fighting? She wasn't on the roof they were down stairs at the end of the fight

Why was Jack not evacuating Wayne Tower until Bruce told him to? The world engine was down so the building was not in danger until Supes got hit thru the building from a distance

Why did Lex create Doomsday if he thought Batman would kill Supes anyway? Back up plan of an intellectual happens all the time in movies and comics

Why is Doomsday more powerful than Zod when mixing Lex's blood would inherently make him weaker? The chamber need a living sample to create Doomsday since Zod is dead and the ship knows the blueprint for Doomsday

What the hell is Flash talking about? Setup for future movies

What was the point of the Knighmare sequence in the context of the story? Flash did ask if he was too early again setup for future movies, foreshadowing

Why didn't Bruce research Supes at all? Probably limited info, since he only had cell phone footage of him from the Zod fight

The answers in bold? Don't make sense, or weren't explained in the movie, or don't answer the questions I asked. Sorry

 

[Poni_Boy]

Yeah.... They would. Batman Begins could come out now, and it would probably do even better business than it did in 2005. Tone doesn't matter. Quality of storytelling does.

Agreed. The only one I think would falter is TDKR. But Begins would be a huge freaking hit. To this day I feel it's the best Batman movie yet. Might watch it now...

 

[FunkMiller]

What do you think Nolan would do with Superman?

A lot of people want Miller to do Superman. But, his version wouldn't be too different from Snyder's:

Nolan's superman would have probably concentrated on how a man with his abilities could be possible, in scientific terms. He'd also deal with the understandable fear of a God made flesh on earth. But, I'm also sure he'd produce a superman with a warmth and inate sense of goodness to him. I believe he'd get Superman as much as he got Batman.

 

[Light]

Yeah.... They would. Batman Begins could come out now, and it would probably do even better business than it did in 2005. Tone doesn't matter. Quality of storytelling does.

I am talking about the lack of action, the audience are now to used to Marvel brand of action and we all know where Nolan lacks. The films would be critically praised because they are amazing films but I feel general movie goers would react differently to them and might consider them boring.

 

[TripleJ]

Nolan's superman would have probably concentrated on how a man with his abilities could be possible, in scientific terms. He'd also deal with the understandable fear of a God made flesh on earth. But, I'm also sure he'd produce a superman with a warmth and inate sense of goodness to him. I believe he'd get Superman as much as he got Batman.

It's not about getting it right.....Why do you think they are trying to make a comic book accurate Superman (whichever version/iteration it is).

Nolan did what he wanted to do, same as Snyder. It doesn't have anything to do with ability to get the character right.

A lot of Batfans (including myself) would say that Nolan's Batmovies aren't really Batman movies. They are just great movies with Batman in it.

I don't mind it so much because I take it as Elseworlds, same as Snyder's. Comics' main continuity is the main continuity. Everything else is parallel universes.

 

[Lougarous]

The answers in bold? Don't make sense, or weren't explained in the movie, or don't answer the questions I asked. Sorry

So BvS has to explain every detail unlike other movies got it.

 

[Light]

What do you think Nolan would do with Superman?

A lot of people want Miller to do Superman. But, his version wouldn't be too different from Snyder's:

Everyone that says Superman is boring has no idea about the character,how the hell can a fictional character that captivates generations of people over and over again be boring.

 

[MrsKent26]

Nolan's superman would have probably concentrated on how a man with his abilities could be possible, in scientific terms. He'd also deal with the understandable fear of a God made flesh on earth. But, I'm also sure he'd produce a superman with a warmth and inate sense of goodness to him. I believe he'd get Superman as much as he got Batman.

I have to disagree with this one. Nolan is wise in the sense that he chooses to direct what he likes and that's why he picked batman. He was a producer for MOS and encouraged Goyer's ideas, but he didn't want to direct a superman movie. I think that superman, or any movie, would turn out vastly better if done by a director that likes the subject matter and thinks it's interesting as is. Nolan is great, but superman just wasn't his thing.

 

[Light]

So BvS has to explain every detail unlike other movies got it.

When they create holes in the story.........yes.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

The answers in bold? Don't make sense, or weren't explained in the movie, or don't answer the questions I asked. Sorry

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

When they create holes in the story.........yes.

What holes?

 

[FunkMiller]

I am talking about the lack of action, the audience are now to used to Marvel brand of action and we all know where Nolan lacks. The films would be critically praised because they are amazing films but I feel general movie goers would react differently to them and might consider them boring.

Lack of action? There's loads of it! League of shadows monastery, batmobile chase, dockyard scene, Arkham scene, entire third act....

It's do extremely well even today.

But then, So would Donner's Superman with modern effects.

 

[The Guard]

This thread took a turn for the awesome.

I can't wait to get home tonight.

Also, Mods, I'm curious what the rules about discussing Civil War in here are going to be, given that it's the obvious comparison point for Batman V Superman.

 

[Light]

What holes?

Superman always knowing where Lois is but can't locate his mother.

Superman barely been able to move being close to Kryptonite but then being able to fly with it in hand and pierce DD with it.

Batman seemingly trusting a being who he felt was a threat a second ago and was about to impale with a spear until he discovered thier mothers shared the same name.

Lex Luthor fretting about an all powerful god but releasing a seemingly more powerful one on the world.....etc.