I gotta say, there are some missteps that we could go back and forth on all day (no more than TDK trilogy). There's some stuff I'd probably have done differently if I were in charge, I probably would have stretched out the story of BvS Superman's death into Two Parts.
But I do think it's a great film, they didn't do anything unfixable with the universe itself (like the early X Men films IMO). The concept and the tone, though, is exactly what I want from the DC mythos, and what I would have done if I were in charge. Taking these characters from our modern mythology, placing them in our world, which isn't as cut and dry as it was when the characters were created, and examining the issue of how do these characters fit into our complex world, and can they still inspire us. What I want going forward is an Epic Fantasy, like Game Of Thrones or LOTR, except placed in our world as opposed to these fictional fantasy worlds. When I first saw that montage with the television personalities discussing the nature of Superman as a messianic figure, how much power should he be allowed, how does he affect the political landscape of the entire world, the people loving, hating, fearing, worshipping him, I thought "Yes! This is what I wanna see!" There's just so much potential there for more than just a Superhero movie, really looking at how these characters relate to the society that created them. I feel like BvS really enhanced my appreciation for MoS before it, and I hope that pattern continues as we get further into it.
Unfortunately (for me anyways), I'm afraid the backlash and reception may have influenced them to ease off of their original vision, for something a little more lighthearted and "fun". But, that's okay, these are all of our characters and I want as many to be able to enjoy it as possible, I just hope they stick to this grounded, more adult tone.
Regarding the No Kill debate, I don't really mind that he is okay with death in the heat of battle. I mean, he can't just knock everybody out and tie them up in front of the police station. Twenty years, he's seen the consequences of what happens when you let the criminals live, he's broken and cynical, figures "No big loss there." This is a more realistic approach, so there's some compromises we have to make with the mythology.
Having said that, I think they should be more thoughtful in their action sequences. If somebody dies, show that it was absolutely necessary and unavoidable, I'm not a big fan of having him mowing people down in his Bat plane. The No Kill Code is an important element of his mythology, and once he crosses that line, why not straight up kill all the rogues on first opportunity? The writers can make anything happen that they want, and they can make just as cool of action scenes without killing. I don't mind at all that Superman killed Zod, he really had no choice. I think, to kill people, they need to establish in the film that there is no other option and it is for the greater good.
But I do think it's a great film, they didn't do anything unfixable with the universe itself (like the early X Men films IMO). The concept and the tone, though, is exactly what I want from the DC mythos, and what I would have done if I were in charge. Taking these characters from our modern mythology, placing them in our world, which isn't as cut and dry as it was when the characters were created, and examining the issue of how do these characters fit into our complex world, and can they still inspire us. What I want going forward is an Epic Fantasy, like Game Of Thrones or LOTR, except placed in our world as opposed to these fictional fantasy worlds. When I first saw that montage with the television personalities discussing the nature of Superman as a messianic figure, how much power should he be allowed, how does he affect the political landscape of the entire world, the people loving, hating, fearing, worshipping him, I thought "Yes! This is what I wanna see!" There's just so much potential there for more than just a Superhero movie, really looking at how these characters relate to the society that created them. I feel like BvS really enhanced my appreciation for MoS before it, and I hope that pattern continues as we get further into it.
Unfortunately (for me anyways), I'm afraid the backlash and reception may have influenced them to ease off of their original vision, for something a little more lighthearted and "fun". But, that's okay, these are all of our characters and I want as many to be able to enjoy it as possible, I just hope they stick to this grounded, more adult tone.
Regarding the No Kill debate, I don't really mind that he is okay with death in the heat of battle. I mean, he can't just knock everybody out and tie them up in front of the police station. Twenty years, he's seen the consequences of what happens when you let the criminals live, he's broken and cynical, figures "No big loss there." This is a more realistic approach, so there's some compromises we have to make with the mythology.
Having said that, I think they should be more thoughtful in their action sequences. If somebody dies, show that it was absolutely necessary and unavoidable, I'm not a big fan of having him mowing people down in his Bat plane. The No Kill Code is an important element of his mythology, and once he crosses that line, why not straight up kill all the rogues on first opportunity? The writers can make anything happen that they want, and they can make just as cool of action scenes without killing. I don't mind at all that Superman killed Zod, he really had no choice. I think, to kill people, they need to establish in the film that there is no other option and it is for the greater good.
And some people in this thread did say that it was too cartoony to be capable of stopping criminals without killing them.
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