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[AndrewOz]

Well I didn't like the whole movie. There is a lot that I thought was quite bad. Especially how it was put together. However there were parts that I thought were really great. It's definitely a film that feels like it was made on the fly. Which is not what you want from a $250m tent pole movie to a Billion dollar franchise.

I wanted to just weigh in on how I viewed scenes. For example, a lot of people on the forum think that "superman was just a vision of a farmer from Kansas", is referring to Jonathan Kent and those people are losing their minds about it. Where I'm 100% sure, Clark is referring to himself.

It's how people viewed certain scenes and I just wanted to put forward how I viewed the Martha scene.

And yes, I'm not too psyched about JL myself. Which makes me quite angry because this is almost the moment I've been waiting for my entire life, lol!

Preaching to the choir.
The first time I watched it watched, I was unsure about the "Farmer from Kansas" line too, because it certainly doesn't fit the portrayal of JK from MoS.
Is it meant to be revisionist, in response to the backlash over his characterisation in MoS? Or is Clark referring to himself. I was leaning toward the latter, but:
"All this time, I've been living my life the way my Father saw it.
Righting wrongs for a ghost.
Thinking I'm here to do good.
Superman was never real.
Just the dream of a farmer from Kansas".
(There are 3 lines before this. 2 after. A total 10. Almost a quarter of Superman's entire dialogue. Delivered in about a minute. Hmmm)
The first two sentences make me think he's referring to JK, not himself. But that contradicts the portrayal from MoS.
It also conflicts with the Ghost Dad lecture, which states: "Save your own. Which will always be at the expense of others. Drown your nagging conscience in pu$$y".

I wonder why people take issue with Snyder's storytelling ability

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

So Snyder doesn't understand Superman because someone posts a photo of a sick boy hugging a cosplayer? I fail to see how that's got anything to do with the film whatsoever. Because it doesn't. It's like Roger Moore getting slagged off for films he didn't even appear in.

Thats not at all what this is about. Snyder doesnt understand Superman because he doesnt care about what he means to people, he doesnt respect what he stands for.

But don't take my word for it, check the failing box office and reviews if you don't believe me. Theres a movie coming out soon thay DOES respect the proper source material, lets wait and see how that one does.

 

[AndrewOz]

Oh, I get it. Doesn't make it any less pathetic.

But keep on keeping on with that.

"I've found that telling people that they've misinterpreted something, only makes them double down in their stupidity of misinterpreting the very thing you spelled out for them. Now, it doesn't happen all the time, but it seems to still happen more often than not. "

 

[AnneFan]

Thats not at all what this is about. Snyder doesnt understand Superman because he doesnt care about what he means to people, he doesnt respect what he stands for.

But don't take my word for it, check the failing box office and reviews if you don't believe me. Theres a movie coming out soon thay DOES respect the proper source material, lets wait and see how that one does.

Snyder doesn't understand Superman? That's a mighty fine opinion you've got there. My opinion is to the contrary. And good to see you brought your proof along to the debate. The opinions of other people. They didn't like the film, and good for them. But their opinion didn't sway me. I have my own.

 

[Travesty]

Thats not at all what this is about. Snyder doesnt understand Superman because he doesnt care about what he means to people, he doesnt respect what he stands for.

But don't take my word for it, check the failing box office and reviews if you don't believe me. Theres a movie coming out soon thay DOES respect the proper source material, lets wait and see how that one does.

That's one thing to argue. And again, if it was so apparent, use those examples. What is going on, is beyond that. You're using pics of a sick kid to bolster your claims.

And the weird thing is, you guys are in the overall consensus. You hold the majority opinion! You would think it would be that easy, but nahhhhhh! And yet, you feel the need to double down, and use pics of sick kids to "back up your claims"? I can't tell you, how pathetic it is, to want to do that, when you're already in the majority.

HORRIBLE!

 

[dude stannis]

I do hope a mod comes in and hopefully gets people to back off on the whole kid thing.

 

[flickchick85]

That's one thing to argue. And again, if it was so apparent, use those examples. What is going on, is beyond that. You're using pics of a sick kid to bolster your claims.

And the weird thing is, you guys are in the overall consensus. You hold the majority opinion! You would think it would be that easy, but nahhhhhh! And yet, you feel the need to double down, and use pics of sick kids to "back up your claims"? I can't tell you, how pathetic it is, to want to do that, when you're already in the majority.

HORRIBLE!

Drop it.

 

[Travesty]

Drop it.

You kidding me?

 

[flickchick85]

No. Everyone needs to drop it.

 

[Jaxon]

What about the 1% speech. Essentially Batman's reasoning for wanting to destroy Superman. It is patently absurd logic.
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That is not why Batman wants to "destroy" Superman. This speech is Batman trying to justify to Alfred his reasoning which Batman is unable to articulate because he doesn't realise how far he has gone resulting from years of deaths, betrayals, and non-achievement ("criminals are like weeds").

Superman 's power gives him same feeling of helplessness he felt watching his parents needlessly murdered.

Batman is thinking: "what good am I? what good have I done? This guy can do my 20 years of work in 20 minutes."
He feels helpless, and hopeless, and just like it was taught to him as a child he realises he has to force the issue to change it.

Some people really need to wake up to Batman a bit. He's not a hero, he's an anti-hero who forces his will onto people to shape the world the way he wants to. As has been said, the reason he can win a battle against Superman is because deep down Superman is good and he is not.

 

[flickchick85]

Given the length of your post jmc, I'm going to assume you started typing that before I made my post.

However, the next person to post anything on this topic will be getting time off.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Given the length of your post jmc, I'm going to assume you started typing that before I made my post.

However, the next person to post anything on this topic will be getting time off.

Same goes for me flickchick!

I didnt know.

 

[flickchick85]

Same goes for me flickchick!

I didnt know.

Fine, I shall lift the pro-ban I just put on you, but I'm not kidding around here, folks.

 

[Reek]

I, on the other hand, found Doomsday to look like Grawp.

 

[dark_b]

lol what's even more stupid and dumb in the Martha scene is the fact that Superman called his mom By her first name. Why? When he was beating the **** out of Zod in MoS, he said "You think you can threaten my mother", but now he calls her Martha? What?! That scene was stupid. I was laughing in the cinema when it happened. No wonder why it's being mocked and made fun of.

ok i had problems with BvS. i did not like the movie. but what you wrotte made me hate WB. i never noticed how stupid it was that he called her Martha.

 

[flickchick85]

I, on the other hand, found Doomsday to look like Grawp.

 

[Eggyman]

I hate the use of Martha. You get those that debate it was about humanising Superman by showing he has a mother he cares about. If that's the case, he didn't need to say Martha. 'Hey Batman, save my mum plz.'

 

[dude stannis]

I hate the use of Martha. You get those that debate it was about humanising Superman by showing he has a mother he cares about. If that's the case, he didn't need to say Martha. 'Hey Batman, save my mum plz.'

Well, Batman is kind of an idiot, so he probably would've thought he was referring to Diana since he saw the 1918 picture of her.

 

[Eggyman]

Well, Batman is kind of an idiot, so he probably would've thought he was referring to Diana since he saw the 1918 picture of her.

All righty. If there's even a 1% chance that she's his mum he has to... You see where I'm going with that.

 

[dude stannis]

All righty. If there's even a 1% chance that she's his mum he has to... You see where I'm going with that.

Yeah exactly. I'm positive he would've attacked WW with kyrptonite after defeating Superman, and he would've gotten squished like a bug.

 

[Jumpman]

This isn’t Superman.

This is Superman.

Hey wait a minute – could it be possible there are different interpretations of Superman?!

Preach.

 

[Eggyman]

Yeah exactly. I'm positive he would've attacked WW with kyrptonite after defeating Superman, and he would've gotten squished like a bug.

Do you think she'd put a tracking device on him before pancaking him?

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah exactly. I'm positive he would've attacked WW with kyrptonite after defeating Superman, and he would've gotten squished like a bug.

That sounds like a scene I would enjoy. *crosses fingers* Come on, Extended Cut!

 

[jmc]

When did you become a mod FC85? I just noticing this.

 

[flickchick85]

When did you become a mod FC85? Am I just noticing this?

Since 2014.