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[Unbreakable Lex]

I'm strangely comfortable with Batman killing in this universe, as long as it's out of necessity (like Supes being forced to kill Zod in MOS). Most of Marvel's heroes kill in the movies, and it's fine, because in the real world, people die. You can't just throw every bad guy in a superhuman prison with no toilet (looking at you, CW Flash) and forget about them.

Comic Book movie rule #1. You can kill, but only if it's the big bad.

Killing random criminals is a no no even if they did some big bad type of ****.

 

[KillerWolf]

Given this story, it's entirely possible this Batman, where he's at, would have killed.
I don't think it is what's happening but it is possible.

Well it would be quite ironic if this darker than any Batman from earlier films doesn't kill while every previous iteration did so.

With that being said, I don't think he kills criminals.

 

[DaJanksta]

Got passes to see dead pool on Thursday but I work late

 

[WitchTrialz]

WOW you guys are way over thinking this.
I've described my bosses boss as "judge, jury, and executioner". I don't think he's a murderer.
It's just an expression.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

WOW you guys are way over thinking this.
I've described my bosses boss as "judge, jury, and executioner". I don't think he's a murderer.
It's just an expression.

Don't insult gdw's intelligence!

 

[Keatth]

I'll be going to the cinema to watch a movie, not a slideshow.

You do realize a movie is made up of still images played really fast to make motion pictures

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

We'll see Knightmare Batman give no quarter and kill without a hesitation, but modern Batman will simply be cruel and unyielding with little mercy towards the criminals and corrupt of Gotham. I don't take a few seconds of footage edited in the teaser trailer as gospel right now. There is more evidence to point to this Batman not crossing that line, such as the continued existence of his rogues which appear in Suicide Squad, the cuff and branded criminal we see the police taking in and now a tie in comic that again shows a traditional portrayal of the character.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Does Batman steal Kryptonite from LexCorp or does Lex simply give it to him?

I've been of mind that the scenes from the action at LexCorp was from a Batman break-in. But now, you hear that they may be working together...

 

[gdw]

So if 'execute' means 'kill', does that mean 'execute the plan' is 'kill the plan'?

First off, you're removing, and then changing context, while also limiting to a root word, and not the word, and context, which we are talking about.
Execute means to carry out.

Executioner, as we know from the context provided by 'judge, and jury', and vigilante for that matter, refers to a judicial executioner:

"A judicial executioner is a person who carries out a death sentence ordered by the state or other legal authority, which was known in feudal terminology as high justice."
https://www.google.ca/search?q=executioner&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=-0eqVtabLeytjgTHp6qoCA

So, while "execute" on it's own means to carry out, executioner, especially in the context, means to carry out a death sentence.

 

[Broseph44]

Got passes to see dead pool on Thursday but I work late

Wrong thread.

 

[WitchTrialz]

Got passes to see dead pool on Thursday but I work late

Ill see it for you...

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

First off, you're removing, and then changing context, while also limiting to a root word, and not the word, and context, which we are talking about.
Execute means to carry out.

Executioner, as we know from the context provided by 'judge, and jury', and vigilante for that matter, refers to a judicial executioner:

"A judicial executioner is a person who carries out a death sentence ordered by the state or other legal authority, which was known in feudal terminology as high justice."
https://www.google.ca/search?q=executioner&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=-0eqVtabLeytjgTHp6qoCA

So, while "execute" on it's own means to carry out, executioner, especially in the context, means to carry out a death sentence.

And people said that BA in English was a waste of time!!

 

[gdw]

WOW you guys are way over thinking this.
I've described my bosses boss as "judge, jury, and executioner". I don't think he's a murderer.
It's just an expression.

Yes, it's called hyperbole, and context. You're boss, I assume, also isn't a vigilante, carrying out "justice". Again, context.

 

[Wally_West]

WOW you guys are way over thinking this.
I've described my bosses boss as "judge, jury, and executioner". I don't think he's a murderer.
It's just an expression.

 

[gdw]

And people said that BA in English was a waste of time!!

That, and a Liberal Arts degree, means I'm going places!

 

[KillerWolf]

We'll see Knightmare Batman give no quarter and kill without a hesitation, but modern Batman will simply be cruel and unyielding with little mercy towards the criminals and corrupt of Gotham. I don't take a few seconds of footage edited in the teaser trailer as gospel right now. There is more evidence to point to this Batman not crossing that line, such as the continued existence of his rogues which appear in Suicide Squad, the cuff and branded criminal we see the police taking in and now a tie in comic that again shows a traditional portrayal of the character.

This.

 

[ZIPBAGS]

IMO, Batman has killed '90s Joker and Twoface (I think he died in that giant Riddler contraption) and in BB with Ras. He did instruct Gordon to blow the tracks. He did rig the train to not stop.

It's the same as Superman killing Zod and company in II.

KILLERS!!!! Peter Parker killed the robber in Spider-Man 1 too!

Red Skull? Dead.

Sebastian Shaw??? DEAD!!!

Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Joker, he's a dead man! Darkseid, dead! Doomsday...

 

[gdw]

Yeah, but we're not exactly sure that it's Batm--- You're right, this Batman kills. I concede. It's clearly Batman, because we've also seen in the trailers where he's the one in the cockpit, unless that's supposed to be him firing at Doomsday. But then, that's not certain, because why would he brand criminals if he's killing them. Why save them for the police (talking about the guy he brands) if he's just going to kill them. So, there's a strong possibility that Lex somehow hacks into the Batwing.

Lex hacking the Batwing would probably bring Batman Returns comparisons.
Could happen though.

Are there shots showing the Batwing actually gunning down soldiers? Maybe it's another part of the nightmare sequence?

I figure most, if not all heavy artillery usage via Bat-vehicles will be against inanimate objects, Superman, and or Doomsday.
In other words, nothing that will likely be killed.

 

[WitchTrialz]

Does Batman steal Kryptonite from LexCorp or does Lex simply give it to him?

I've been of mind that the scenes from the action at LexCorp was from a Batman break-in. But now, you hear that they may be working together...

Working together as in business partners (waynetech, lexcorp)

But I would definitely take it as Bruce learned Lex was manufacturing a weapon to stop superman, and batman breaks in to steal it.

I still think that the trailer is tricking us and lex actually uses zod to synthesize kryptonite (not make doomsday)
And lex simply resurrects doomsday, that might come off as cheesy but I would like it better

 

[Captain Shazam]

Things are looking good for the DCEU. The hype is real and Variety wrote about it

http://variety.com/2016/more/news/w...l-platforms-1201690088/?preview_id=1201690088

 

[Broseph44]

We'll see Knightmare Batman give no quarter and kill without a hesitation, but modern Batman will simply be cruel and unyielding with little mercy towards the criminals and corrupt of Gotham. I don't take a few seconds of footage edited in the teaser trailer as gospel right now. There is more evidence to point to this Batman not crossing that line, such as the continued existence of his rogues which appear in Suicide Squad, the cuff and branded criminal we see the police taking in and now a tie in comic that again shows a traditional portrayal of the character.

Well said sir

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Things are looking good for the DCEU. The hype is real and Variety wrote about it

http://variety.com/2016/more/news/w...l-platforms-1201690088/?preview_id=1201690088

Absolutely fantastic!

 

[Tensor]

Dialog between Kal-El and Faora in the MoS novelization, unheard in the movie.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

We'll see Knightmare Batman give no quarter and kill without a hesitation, but modern Batman will simply be cruel and unyielding with little mercy towards the criminals and corrupt of Gotham. I don't take a few seconds of footage edited in the teaser trailer as gospel right now. There is more evidence to point to this Batman not crossing that line, such as the continued existence of his rogues which appear in Suicide Squad, the cuff and branded criminal we see the police taking in and now a tie in comic that again shows a traditional portrayal of the character.

That's a given. Superman not only represents everything he dreads but has also forced him to cross that line in this nightmare.

 

[WitchTrialz]

Lex hacking the Batwing would probably bring Batman Returns comparisons.
Could happen though.

Are there shots showing the Batwing actually gunning down soldiers? Maybe it's another part of the nightmare sequence?

I figure most, if not all heavy artillery usage via Bat-vehicles will be against inanimate objects, Superman, and or Doomsday.
In other words, nothing that will likely be killed.

That solider in the truck bed gets so annihilated he disappeared.

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