All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 3

[universeman]

They'll probably do that if Star Wars does move but for right now SW8 is scheduled for May 2019 and it looks like that's where Disney wants to keep Star Wars at going forward (Han Solo releases May 2018).

Well I think Star Wars VIII originally had a April release date, but then Disney moved it to December 2017. Plus I don't know about IX coming out in May, because wouldn't that destroy the other films at the May box office?

 

[smallville fan]

So I read that a Batman Beyond movie is rumoured after Matt Reeves finishes his trilogy. http://****************.com/movies/matt-reeves-batman-trilogy-rumored-pave-way-batman-beyond/

Something I'd like:
Dylan Minnette-Terry McGuinness
Hailee Steinfeld-Dana Tan
Amandla Stenberg-Maxine Gibson

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I got a feeling that the DCEU is going to be lining up Shazam as the fan favorite Superman should have been, but hasn't panned out.

It's possible...

 

[DocHolliday]

I got a feeling that the DCEU is going to be lining up Shazam as the fan favorite Superman should have been, but hasn't panned out.

I feel the DCEU connections in Shazam will be tentative at best. Warner Bros has proven to be incompetent when it comes to getting their house in order - No real collaboration between all their subsidiaries like Cartoon Network and HBO when it comes to promoting the DC brand. Look at Disney and all the work they put into getting Marvel stuff on their cartoon stations, on their television channels. Meanwhile, WB has the premier network when it comes television drama(HBO) and not a single DC show on it. Cartoon Network with no real DC toons outside of Teen Titans Go. You wouldn't even know Justice League Action exists considering the hours it airs. Pathetic considering we have a Justice League film releasing soon.

What makes people think they'll be able to coordinate with another studio(even if that studio is owned by WB)? More than likely, this is going to be a New Line solo effort(which might not be so much of a bad thing considering how bad WB botched BvS and Suicide Squad)

 

[Osiris-Rex]

What makes people think they'll be able to coordinate with another studio(even if that studio is owned by WB)? More than likely, this is going to be a New Line solo effort(which might not be so much of a bad thing considering how bad WB botched BvS and Suicide Squad)

Probably because there is a different regime now in charge of making movies based on DC comic book characters, DC Films, with a different attitude, with Geoff Johns and Jon Berg in charge, that didn't exist when BvS and SS were made.

Quoting Geoff Johns:

"I work with so many talented people. So there’s people that love it, and understand it, and embrace it, and then there’s people that don’t know that and you want to help them learn it, and you want to tell them why a certain storyline
for a certain character might not work. Or why a take on a character might not work, or what Superman really should be.
But the whole thing is to craft and shape the story and the tone to fit the character. And to celebrate the character, instead of deconstruct the character. I think you want to celebrate the character, because you’ve got to celebrate
something and build it up, I think, to really make it into something that represents who that character truly is."

Plus other shake ups at Warner Bros. included letting Greg Silverman go President of Creative Development and Worldwide Production and putting Toby Emmerish in charge as President and Chief Content Officer at Warner Bros. Pictures Group.

But I guess some people like living in the past so that's why some people think WB is perpetually doomed to failure based on a couple of movies that got poor reviews but still managed to make a ton of money.
Never mind that the most recent WB CB movie not only got stellar reviews, but also made a ton of money.

 

[DocHolliday]

But I guess some people like living in the past so that's why some people think WB is perpetually doomed to failure based on a couple of movies that got poor reviews but still managed to make a ton of money.
Never mind that the most recent WB CB movie not only got stellar reviews, but also made a ton of money.

This goes beyond the poor movies. WB has done nothing to promote the DC brand. Where are the premium DC television shows? We get a bunch of cheapo stuff on CW - Nice. How about a quality effort on HBO? Nope. HBO is too embarrassed to have cape stuff on their brand. How about DC toons on Cartoon Network? Nope, Cartoon Network doesn't want 'em. Warner Bros has no control over their subsidiaries which makes the advantage of owning these companies meaningless if they're not going to promote the DC brand. And people wonder why Marvel has so much mindshare. WB treats DC(more like Batman) as a revenue stream and puts little work into building the brand into something bigger. They lucked out in the past by hiring extremely talented people like Burton, Dini/Timm, and Nolan who did most of the heavy lifting in making DC characters relevant to the mainstream.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

I feel the DCEU connections in Shazam will be tentative at best. Warner Bros has proven to be incompetent when it comes to getting their house in order - No real collaboration between all their subsidiaries like Cartoon Network and HBO when it comes to promoting the DC brand. Look at Disney and all the work they put into getting Marvel stuff on their cartoon stations, on their television channels. Meanwhile, WB has the premier network when it comes television drama(HBO) and not a single DC show on it. Cartoon Network with no real DC toons outside of Teen Titans Go. You wouldn't even know Justice League Action exists considering the hours it airs. Pathetic considering we have a Justice League film releasing soon.

So I assume you don't know about the CW network, which is co-owned by Warner Bros. and CBS, which currently airs five shows based on DC comic book characters, Green Arrow in "Arrow", The Flash in "The Flash",
and Supergirl in "Supergirl", and "iZombie" and "DC's Legends of Tomorrow" And "Black Lightning" is also coming to the CW. Which reach a bigger audience than the average HBO series.
For example, as a cross promotion to the Wonder Woman movie, several "Supergirl" characters appeared in an ad promoting the WW movie that ran during the "Supergirl" season finale. And received a lot of media attention.
I'd imagine the CW shows they will probably do something that ties them to the Justice League movie come November.
And outside of the CW the Fox Network also runs a prequel to Batman called "Gotham", and "Lucifer". Plus the SyFi channel will be running "Krypton" and the Cartoon Network will have "DC Super Hero Girls"
Plus Netflix runs all the DC shows at the end of each show's season.
So DC is well represented on TV.

 

[DocHolliday]

So I assume you don't know about the CW network, which is co-owned by Warner Bros. and CBS, which currently airs five shows based on DC comic book characters, Green Arrow in "Arrow", The Flash in "The Flash",
and Supergirl in "Supergirl", and "iZombie" and "DC's Legends of Tomorrow" And "Black Lightning" is also coming to the CW. Which reach a bigger audience than the average HBO series.
For example, as a cross promotion to the Wonder Woman movie, several "Supergirl" characters appeared in an ad promoting the WW movie that ran during the "Supergirl" season finale. And received a lot of media attention.
I'd imagine the CW shows they will probably do something that ties them to the Justice League movie come November.
And outside of the CW the Fox Network also runs a prequel to Batman called "Gotham", and "Lucifer". Plus the SyFi channel will be running "Krypton" and the Cartoon Network will have "DC Super Hero Girls"
Plus Netflix runs all the DC shows at the end of each show's season.
So DC is well represented on TV.

I mentioned CW in my previous post. It's fine for what it is but definitely not HBO quality as far as reaching the widest possible demographics. It's embarrassing that networks like Fox and SyFy are more than willing to air DC stuff and they're not even owned by Warner. Meanwhile, HBO and Cartoon Network actively shy away from the DC brand. HBO is more than willing to throw away $100 million on one season of flops like Vinyl. How about using some of that cash to invest in a quality DC show? Cartoon Network only has one DC toon(I don't count Justice League action since they're actively trying to kill it) while they're competitors at Disney are airing multiple Marvel toons on normal hours. There's currently a third season of Young Justice in production and it can't even air on Cartoon Network because they don't want it(they were the ones that originally canceled it in the first place). Complete mismanagement on WB's part in promoting the DC brand.

 

[misslane38]

Probably because there is a different regime now in charge of making movies based on DC comic book characters, DC Films, with a different attitude, with Geoff Johns and Jon Berg in charge, that didn't exist when BvS and SS were made.

Quoting Geoff Johns:

"I work with so many talented people. So there’s people that love it, and understand it, and embrace it, and then there’s people that don’t know that and you want to help them learn it, and you want to tell them why a certain storyline for a certain character might not work. Or why a take on a character might not work, or what Superman really should be.
But the whole thing is to craft and shape the story and the tone to fit the character. And to celebrate the character, instead of deconstruct the character. I think you want to celebrate the character, because you’ve got to celebrate something and build it up, I think, to really make it into something that represents who that character truly is."

That Geoff Johns quote is so strange, because it's supposed to be from a SDCC panel, if I'm not mistaken, but I can't seem to find a video of it and there seems to be not only few to no reputable sources reporting it, but different representations of the quote. Screenrant, for example, seems to be the only one or original source of the quote you shared, but other sources have presented it this way:

I work with a lot of great people, but the whole thing is to craft and shape the story and tone to fit the character and celebrate the character, instead of deconstruct the character. You want to celebrate the character, because you have to really celebrate something and build it up to really make it into something that represents who that character truly is. And also, the fact that I’ve written all these comic books it gives me a lot of credibility coming into the room, because it’s hard to argue, sometimes. People can tell me what they think Aquaman is, but I wrote the book — literally — so it helps me.

Compare that to this:

I work with so many talented people. So there’s people that love it, and understand it, and embrace it, and then there’s people that don’t know that and you want to help them learn it, and you want to tell them why a certain storyline for a certain character might not work. Or why a take on a character might not work, or what Superman really should be.

But the whole thing is to craft and shape the story and the tone to fit the character. And to celebrate the character, instead of deconstruct the character. I think you want to celebrate the character, because you’ve got to celebrate something and build it up, I think, to really make it into something that represents who that character truly is.

And also, the fact that I’ve written all these comic books gives me a lot of credibility coming into the room because it’s hard to argue sometimes. Like, people can tell me what Aquaman is, but if I’ve written the book – literally – it helps me out.

I don't understand why Johns' comments aren't being reported on by more trustworthy sources or why his comments are being reported differently and without video or audio. I can't even tell from the context of his comments if he's using characters as hypotheticals or if he's speaking generally about them and their representation in several media, not just film.

 

[Grommers]

That Geoff Johns quote is so strange, because it's supposed to be from a SDCC panel, if I'm not mistaken, but I can't seem to find a video of it and there seems to be not only few to no reputable sources reporting it, but different representations of the quote. Screenrant, for example, seems to be the only one or original source of the quote you shared, but other sources have presented it this way:



Compare that to this:





I don't understand why Johns' comments aren't being reported on by more trustworthy sources or why his comments are being reported differently and without video or audio. I can't even tell from the context of his comments if he's using characters as hypotheticals or if he's speaking generally about them and their representation in several media, not just film.

DC's low rotten tomatoes scores have opened up a lot more criticism than they necessarily deserve and people eat it up, I mean point and fact is looking at how many people still discuss B vs S and write posts whether its being praised or bash, it's still discuss over a year later much more than other super hero movies. Like wise, the rest of the DC universe is just entertaining from a discussion standpoint on if it's both entertaining or abysmal, as well as the actual progression to create the movies.

It also doesn't help that people in general seem to appreciate superman/batman more than Captain America / iron man so when anything that comes out regarding that comes out, it's much more discussed in media, rightly or wrongly on peoples opinions which are better, they are still being discussed.

WB is just easier to target in general since they took so long to get even the cinematic universe going, despite having the successful animated universe years prior to anything marvel had in terms of a linked universe (or as closely linked I do realize that the x-men 90s show had crossovers etc. same with spider-man but the continuity / same worldness often did not feel apparent)

In this sense, if they can get a string of DCEU movies together that hit over 90, I imagine they'll see much better #'s than the MCU counter-part imo.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

I mentioned CW in my previous post. It's fine for what it is but definitely not HBO quality as far as reaching the widest possible demographics. It's embarrassing that networks like Fox and SyFy are more than willing to air DC stuff and they're not even owned by Warner. Meanwhile, HBO and Cartoon Network actively shy away from the DC brand. HBO is more than willing to throw away $100 million on one season of flops like Vinyl. How about using some of that cash to invest in a quality DC show? Cartoon Network only has one DC toon(I don't count Justice League action since they're actively trying to kill it) while they're competitors at Disney are airing multiple Marvel toons on normal hours. There's currently a third season of Young Justice in production and it can't even air on Cartoon Network because they don't want it(they were the ones that originally canceled it in the first place). Complete mismanagement on WB's part in promoting the DC brand.

So what does Marvel have? One show on ABC right now, AoS, and maybe Inhumans, which looks laughably bad. Some Netflix shows that no one knows how many people watch because Netflix doesn't release the numbers.
Plus Netflix doesn't run ads so there is no way for Netflix to promote the Marvel movies. And a few cartoons, which not all that many people watch anyway. What Marvel cartoons is Disney running anyway other than a
few on Disney XD? While CN will start running DC Super Hero Girls, which is a $1 billion franchise on its own with the dolls, toys, clothing and other merchandise.

And why would WB need to put shows on HBO when they already have a whole broadcast network with 40% of the content DC shows? A DC show on HBO is not very likely to get Game of Thrones numbers.
The lowest rated CW show, Arrow, gets more viewers than 15 of the 19 shows on HBO. Only Game of Thrones gets more viewers than The Flash. Why would they spend money of HBO when more people watch the CW?

So basically because WB invests their money on live action DC shows on various networks and animated movies and DC Super Hero Girls, while Marvel has one live action show and a few cartoons on cable, WB is mismanaged.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

So what does Marvel have? One show on ABC right now, AoS, and maybe Inhumans, which looks laughably bad. Some Netflix shows that no one knows how many people watch because Netflix doesn't release the numbers.
Plus Netflix doesn't run ads so there is no way for Netflix to promote the Marvel movies. And a few cartoons, which not all that many people watch anyway. What Marvel cartoons is Disney running anyway other than a
few on Disney XD? While CN will start running DC Super Hero Girls, which is a $1 billion franchise on its own with the dolls, toys, clothing and other merchandise.

And why would WB need to put shows on HBO when they already have a whole broadcast network with 40% of the content DC shows? A DC show on HBO is not very likely to get Game of Thrones numbers.
The lowest rated CW show, Arrow, gets more viewers than 15 of the 19 shows on HBO. Only Game of Thrones gets more viewers than The Flash. Why would they spend money of HBO when more people watch the CW?

So basically because WB invests their money on live action DC shows on various networks and animated movies and DC Super Hero Girls, while Marvel has one live action show and a few cartoons on cable, WB is mismanaged.

Gotta keep sucking the Mouse off and maintain the narrative bro. It's the only way some folks can sleep at night apparently.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Was someone claiming nobody does anything to promote DCEU properties?

Exclusive: Six Flags to debut single-rail Wonder Woman coaster

Six Flags' Wonder Woman Golden Lasso coaster is coming to Texas. According to Six Flags, it's the world's first single rail coaster featuring a 90-degree drop and 3 inversions.
Six Flags announced today that Wonder Woman Golden Lasso Coaster will open next spring at its Fiesta Texas location in San Antonio. The park says the new attraction won't look or behave like any thrill machine that preceded it.
That's because instead of riding a set of two rails like traditional coasters, its narrow trains would soar along one 15.5-inch-wide steel track. It will be the world's first single-rail IBox track coaster.
"I expect it to be crazy smooth," says Larry Chickola, Six Flags VP and chief corporate engineer. "And crazy fun. There will be extremely quick twists and turns – quicker and smoother than regular coasters."
Wonder Woman will climb a 113-foot hill, drop about 100 feet straight down at 90-degrees, and hit a top speed of 52 mph. It will include overbanked turns and the free-floating sensation known as airtime.
Among its three inversions will be a "180-degree stall," in which the train will roll halfway over and suspend riders for a few agonizing moments before it unrolls and returns them right-side-up.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...-single-rail-wonder-woman-coaster/534583001/#

 

[nite-owl]

 

[The Joker]

^ What is that from?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Reads like robot chicken

 

[nite-owl]

^ What is that from?

https://***********/ponysmasher?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

 

[HaplessHenchman]

This is hilarious! What is even more hilarious is that some people on Reddit were thinking it is real. Can't believe the gullibility of some people...

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I'm pretty interested in this talk about making DC movies that aren't necessarily set in the DCEU, but feature mainstream characters like the Joker.

I could even see a Superman Red Son and other elseworld type movies in one shots like these.

 

[Dark Raven]

So has the Cyborg movie been scrapped?

And The Batman isn't part of the DCEU anymore? But what about Affleck? And if he did star in the Batman, then everyone is still going to think it's connected because it's the same Batman.

I hope the Cyborg movie has been dropped though.

 

[nyyarod]

So now there's a Joker and Harley movie.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...y-stupid-love-filmmakers-write-direct-1032210

What's next?

 

[Primal Slayer]

So what bout that Cyborg movie? Or even getting The Flash together, do they have a director? When is Shazam going to start production?

 

[Web-Head]

Lol what a mess. THR originally said Reeves Batman will have a different actor portray Bruce Wayne too before removing it

 

[Pennywise]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...y-stupid-love-filmmakers-write-direct-1032210

Looks like that Harley Quinn vs Joker movie is happening from the makers of Crazy, Stupid, Love.

 

[Symbiotic]

To me, the whole thing comes across as desperation. No structure, just random announcements. A friend of mine says it's like after Man of Steel, WB decided to skip the rest of Phase One and jumped ahead to Phase Two.