All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 3

[OutOfBoose]

I don't think GA is as ******ed as some of you make it out to be. Nobody was confused by Logan.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

I don't think GA is as ******ed as some of you make it out to be. Nobody was confused by Logan.

They will be after 3 different Jokers, 2 different Batmans and 2 different Supermans

 

[Greens]

We're not up to three Jokers...

 

[DlAMONDZ]

We're not up to three Jokers...

I don't see Reeves not using the Joker in this purposed trilogy of his

 

[OutOfBoose]

They will be after 3 different Jokers, 2 different Batmans and 2 different Supermans

We aren't even sure if DCEU will survive 2017 yet. All of that looks like it will be disassembled into stand-alone franchises.

 

[Matt.S99]

I think there is no denying that there isn't much 'structure' in this universe, which is why I am glad that WW was very much a standalone. She can exist outside of the DCEU. (We've waited so long for a solo film for her, so I'm very happy it can exist without the rest of the DCU films. I think it would have been a disservice to her if it WASN'T a standalone film. Yes, there is the photo from Bruce, but you really don't need to watch BVS to 'get it')

I feel like the comments in regards to the Batman solo were taken out of context. I think it will still technically be part of the DCEU, but will very much be self contained like WW was.

I personally don't mind if they just scrap the joint universe and go back to self contained stories. 1) I think they will be more 'rewatchable' because you wont have to watch other films to understand plot points etc
2) Less of a headache with trying to connect everything and making sure everything is cohesive and doesn't contradict itself like the X-Men series does, for example.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well if the Batman is a prequel to BvS where we see the early years, then it could all happen before the events of MOS and JL without directly contradicting anything.

As for the Joker though, I'd rather they retcon that there was an original Joker who is more classic, and that the one in Suicide Squad is just a copycat. Maybe the original Joker could return and kill off the Suicde Squad version in a quick scene.

 

[Boom]

The thing is, they can make stand-alone movies and still have the team-up films too. I've been saying that for years. One does not exclude the other. Just because Matt Reeves wants to make a Batman movie with a self-contained story and without appearances from other DCEU characters doesn't mean that Batman can't show up in a Justice League movie later. Continuity through the cast is ultimately more important to a cohesive shared universe than a bunch of nods and winks. Which is why Affleck potentially walking away presents an interesting hurdle.

I honestly think people are stressing over this way more than they need to.

 

[Greens]

If anything those nods and winks make the movies less accessible for people who aren't paying attention to this **** all the time.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't think Affleck walking away is such a big hurdle, as long as they don't use him in the team up movies and a separate Batman in solo movies. If they have a new Batman and use him in all movies, individual and team up in the future, that's fine.

Whenever there was a new Bond actor, he often still had the same cast from before and everyone carried on as before, as if there were nothing different. It's the same Q or Moneypenny in most of the films. It's only now with the Bond reboot that suddenly everyone thinks all the cast has to change too. And even with that one, they had Judi Dench as M from the previous continuity. But people still got over that.

 

[Boom]

If anything those nods and winks make the movies less accessible for people who aren't paying attention to this **** all the time.

Bingo.

I'm just saying. Wonder Woman 2 could have zero references to any other DCEU film, and audiences would still know that the film is a part of that universe by virtue of Gal Gadot appearing in those other films.

In fact, I'd say the nods and winks to a wider DCEU are what contributed to the failures of BvS and SS. It was a classic case of making something more difficult than it needed to be. Let the characters have their individual, self-contained stories, and let the Justice League films be the connecting tissue between them. It is honestly that simple.

 

[Matt.S99]

Bingo.

I'm just saying. Wonder Woman 2 could have zero references to any other DCEU film, and audiences would still know that the film is a part of that universe by virtue of Gal Gadot appearing in those other films.

I really hope that is the case

In fact, I'd say the nods and winks to a wider DCEU are what contributed to the failures of BvS and SS. It was a classic case of making something more difficult than it needed to be. Let the characters have their individual, self-contained stories, and then use the Justice League films as the connecting tissue between them. It is honestly that simple.

Agreed. You don't need to acknowledge other characters in the solo films. People will get it just fine without them mentioning other JL characters. Like I said earlier, I just think it works better in the long run. As much as I like the MCU, I find a lot of the films lack rewatchability because a lot of them connect a little too much. That's just me though.

I know for a fact I'll still be watching Wonder Woman, The Burton Batman films, the first 2 Donner Superman films, Raimi's 2 Spidey films, Captain America 1 and 2, etc from now. All those films are fairly self contained for the most part.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the shared universe stuff, but I just prefer the ones that are 'one and done.'

 

[Frodo]

I really hope that is the case

Agreed. You don't need to acknowledge other characters in the solo films. People will get it just fine without them mentioning other JL characters. Like I said earlier, I just think it works better in the long run. As much as I like the MCU, I find a lot of the films lack rewatchability because a lot of them connect a little too much. That's just me though.

I know for a fact I'll still be watching Wonder Woman, The Burton Batman films, the first 2 Donner Superman films, Raimi's 2 Spidey films, Captain America 1 and 2, etc from now. All those films are fairly self contained for the most part.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the shared universe stuff, but I just prefer the ones that are 'one and done.'

Yeah. At this point , the whole "shared universe references" stuff is basically for diehard fanboys who want everything to connect and refer back to each other perfectly, as opposed to the average joe or jane who just wanna see a good film this weekend.

Ultimately what the public wants and expects from these properties are good films whether its an elseworlds tale or WW2. Fans are just gonna have to except that it won't all be interconnected all the time.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

DCEU is as unstable as the Trump administration.

 

[Boom]

Matt Reeves confirmed on Twitter that The Batman is in the DCEU, and that his previous comment was misinterpreted.

 

[Dark Raven]

Matt Reeves confirmed on Twitter that The Batman is in the DCEU, and that his previous comment was misinterpreted.

That's good. I think it could be a standalone like WW was, but still connected to the wider universe. Maybe The Batman won't have all these additional cameos, which is probably better. I'm not even keen on the Flash having its first movie be Flashpoint and therefore requiring cameos from everyone else. Just let it be its own movie first and tell his story.

Flashpoint is more like something you'd introduce if it were at the same stage that the MCU is at the moment where it has been established for a much longer time and has been well received.

Apart from WW, why would anyone complain about the rest of the DCEU being changed? It's mostly a dark, desaturated place with a sombre Superman.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't think GA is as ******ed as some of you make it out to be. Nobody was confused by Logan.

The same GA who thought BB was a prequel to B'89 and TIH a sequel to Ang Lee's Hulk?

 

[Zant]

Matt Reeves confirmed on Twitter that The Batman is in the DCEU, and that his previous comment was misinterpreted.

What does Matt Reeves know? Has he not heard that the DCEU is getting cancelled

 

[OutOfBoose]

Matt Reeves confirmed on Twitter that The Batman is in the DCEU, and that his previous comment was misinterpreted.

Oh great... We're going to deal with the deconstructed Bruce Wayne for the next 10 years. ****ing amazing.

Not to mention Leto and the rest of the **** house.

 

[Frodo]

At this point i'm gonna stop debating pro and con WB's proposed plans since they're basically doing the equivalent of smack talking and wishful thinking in regards to their future slate.

They say alot, but when it comes down to it, they back down.

I'll sit back and see what actually materializing , i.e. what actually makes it to cameras or is in the can. Everything else is pretty much talk until they truly commit to sonething and start filming something.

 

[TeeKay]

 

[BH/HHH]

What makes me laugh is people saying WBs doesn't know what they're doing cause they're hiring writers on all kinds of different projects. Do people know nothing about filmmaking? Studios always hire writers to work on various projects it's been happening for decades. It's not something solely attributed to DC at WBs. All movie studios do it and often these projects never see the light of day.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The same GA who thought BB was a prequel to B'89 and TIH a sequel to Ang Lee's Hulk?

exactly right.

i still stand by theory the batman will be one of first dc films after flashpoint creates new timeline at end.

 

[Pennywise]

Looks like Harley Quinn and Joker is replacing Gotham City Sirens. Not surprising to hear.

http://www.tracking-board.com/whisk...ner-bros-can-do-for-harley-quinn-joker-movie/

 

[idiot09]

Oh great... We're going to deal with the deconstructed Bruce Wayne for the next 10 years. ****ing amazing.

Snyder : “He’s been a loner for certainly his crime-fighting career, maybe with the exception of Robin.When we meet him in BvS, he’s definitely at this low point of isolation. That was always our intention, that Justice League would be this continuation for Batman to evolve into a more complete hero.”

Ben Affleck repeated the same thing a few days back that in Justice League, Batman would continue his redemption arc and evolve into more of a traditional Batman. I think Reeves will inherit a great Batman, a complex figure with a lot of rich history and moral ambiguity.