All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 4

[MbJ]

Jeremy Conrad said the rumor going around last week was about Flashpoint being used to reboot the DCEU. He thinks it's a load of shih tho.

 

[brandeezy89]

Jeremy Conrad said the rumor going around last week was about Flashpoint being used to reboot the DCEU. He thinks it's a load of shih tho.

According to the Hashtagshow, The Flash story description sounds nothing like Flashpoint and the main villains are his Rogues. If Killer Frost gets killed or goes MIA this season on the tv show then it's probably true.

 

[MbJ]

Prayer circle.

 

[MbJ]

 

[Zant]

So what is the DCEU is doomed/ending story or rumor for the new week?

 

[FunkMiller]

So what is the DCEU is doomed/ending story or rumor for the new week?

I think the only actual and real threat to the ongoing DCEU as it stands is the Time Warner/AT&T merger. If it were to be blocked, TW stocks would likely plummet (the share price has risen on the talk of the merger, but should it not happen there'd be a sell off), and the value of the company would come under serious strain. There would likely be sell offs at this stage of assets to counterbalance this, and WB & DC would likely be assets that could go up for sale.

This really is the only story worth paying attention to, because it has such huge ramifications beyond the DCEU.

 

[Zant]

I think the only actual and real threat to the ongoing DCEU as it stands is the Time Warner/AT&T merger. If it were to be blocked, TW stocks would likely plummet (the share price has risen on the talk of the merger, but should it not happen there'd be a sell off), and the value of the company would come under serious strain. There would likely be sell offs at this stage of assets to counterbalance this, and WB & DC would likely be assets that could go up for sale.

This really is the only story worth paying attention to, because it has such huge ramifications beyond the DCEU.

I see....It would take something pretty drastic as that to end the DCEU anytime soon

 

[Iceman]

According to the Hashtagshow, The Flash story description sounds nothing like Flashpoint and the main villains are his Rogues. If Killer Frost gets killed or goes MIA this season on the tv show then it's probably true.

I'm just going to have to hope for this.

 

[Flash525]

According to the Hashtagshow, The Flash story description sounds nothing like Flashpoint and the main villains are his Rogues. If Killer Frost gets killed or goes MIA this season on the tv show then it's probably true.

I too hope this is true. It's too early in the DCEU to introduce us to Flashpoint, and I'd rather they saved Eobard Thawne for the second, or even third Flash Solo.

 

[FunkMiller]

I see....It would take something pretty drastic as that to end the DCEU anytime soon

Yes, probably. It’s undoubtedly undergoing some large changes, but for it to be trashed completely, it would require a seismic occurrence like this. I’m paying attention to the case as it comes before the regulators, and I’d suggest every other D.C. fan does the same!

 

[Iceman]

Yes, probably. It’s undoubtedly undergoing some large changes, but for it to be trashed completely, it would require a seismic occurrence like this. I’m paying attention to the case as it comes before the regulators, and I’d suggest every other D.C. fan does the same!

What do you think is best/worst case scenario?

 

[BH/HHH]

Even if they were to “reboot” there’s no way they’d scrap Gadot as Wonder Woman and if Aquaman is succesful they won’t scrap Mamoa either. I think it’s fair to say that Campea has either been fed BS info or he’s just made it up.

 

[AverageMan]

If, and that'a a big If, they are planning on re-booting after Flashpoint (which itself, isn't guaranteed) then they have already written off Aquaman, Shazam & WW2.
What would be the point in investing in these films if they're getting re-booted anyway?
I call boo-hickey!!

 

[STARMAN]

They're not rebooting especially when they're keeping the cast except for maybe Affleck. Batman might be the closest thing to a reboot with a different actor and different character approach then we saw in BvS and JL.

 

[Iceman]

Even if they were to “reboot” there’s no way they’d scrap Gadot as Wonder Woman and if Aquaman is succesful they won’t scrap Mamoa either. I think it’s fair to say that Campea has either been fed BS info or he’s just made it up.

Yeah, there would be zero point replacing anyone who's been received so well.

 

[FunkMiller]

What do you think is best/worst case scenario?

Depends on your perspective. For me, I'd be delighted if the merger were to fall through, and DC were to be sold off to someone who knows what the hell to do with it, like Amazon or Netflix (see my sig below). Disney are not going to buy DC Comics though. That will never happen for reasons which should be glaringly obvious to anyone who thinks about it seriously enough.

I know this: the regulators really aren't liking the shape of the merger deal - the main judge Richard Leon is the kind of guy who could quite easily block it. Were that to happen Time Warner have to find another buyer quickly (doubtful) or asset strip to keep their heads above water (more likely).

And when asset stripping happens it tends to be assets that have not either been profitable, or do not appear to look profitable in the future.

How much did WB spend on Justice League again? And how much did it lose?

This is the real reason why we're not hearing much solid information coming from WB and DC about much right now. The hearings and the case are going before the judge this month. I'm convinced there will be no new grand plan announced for the way forward until the merger is confirmed.... simply because their might not be a way forward if it doesn't come off.

And anyone labouring under the misapprehension that another company would buy DC and retain the existing framework and DCEU narrative is living in cloud cuckoo land. DC gets sold off, the DCEU dies totally, and something new will replace it down the line.

 

[BH/HHH]

That’s the thing for me if WBs is sold to another buyer then I worry for DC. Best thing would be for DC to be sold separately then you’d know whoever’s buying it actually wants it

 

[misslane38]

Depends on your perspective. For me, I'd be delighted if the merger were to fall through, and DC were to be sold off to someone who knows what the hell to do with it, like Amazon or Netflix (see my sig below). Disney are not going to buy DC Comics though. That will never happen for reasons which should be glaringly obvious to anyone who thinks about it seriously enough.

DC Comics is more than just its films, though, right? So, when you refer to selling DC Comics, do you mean to sell everything associated with DC Comics from its comics, its merchandise, its CW and streaming shows, and its animation? Are all of those things combined unprofitable enough now and not likely to be so in the future that DC would be vulnerable to a sale made in desperation? Are you thinking it could sell parts of DC, like its films, but not all of it? How does that work? Or, when you say they'd sell DC Comics, do you mean WB altogether if the situation is particularly dire that asset stripping won't be enough and another buyer can't be found? Sorry for the confusion.

 

[MbJ]

Even if they were to “reboot” there’s no way they’d scrap Gadot as Wonder Woman and if Aquaman is succesful they won’t scrap Mamoa either. I think it’s fair to say that Campea has either been fed BS info or he’s just made it up.

The OP later admitted the texts from Campea weren't real.

 

[FunkMiller]

DC Comics is more than just its films, though, right? So, when you refer to selling DC Comics, do you mean to sell everything associated with DC Comics from its comics, its merchandise, its CW and streaming shows, and its animation? Are all of those things combined unprofitable enough now and not likely to be so in the future that DC would be vulnerable to a sale made in desperation? Are you thinking it could sell parts of DC, like its films, but not all of it? How does that work? Or, when you say they'd sell DC Comics, do you mean WB altogether if the situation is particularly dire that asset stripping won't be enough and another buyer can't be found? Sorry for the confusion.

All things are possible, I suppose.... though, the most likely scenario would be the sale of DC as an entirety. It’s too small an operation to start slicing up into smaller packages, I’d say. Also, you’re quite right to point out that not all aspects of DC are unprofitable - far from it - but perception tends to be reality in the business world a great deal of the time. I can quite easily see the execs at Time Warner thinking of DC as a failed aspect of their holdings, thanks to how disastrously things have gone recently at the cinema - the most high profile of DC’s public and financial exposure.

DC doesn’t mean WB, of course. There’s a misconception that the one automatically means the other. That’s not the case. DC is an asset of WB, which in turn is an asset of Time Warner. The parent company can sell whatever aspects it likes, how it likes. TW May indeed choose to sell the whole of WB, which includes DC, or not. That would be up to them. I think a sale of WB is unlikely though, given how many strong IP and profitable franchises the company has. DC is the vulnerable thing here, given the current state of play.

 

[misslane38]

All things are possible, I suppose.... though, the most likely scenario would be the sale of DC as an entirety. It’s too small an operation to start slicing up into smaller packages, I’d say. Also, you’re quite right to point out that not all aspects of DC are unprofitable - far from it - but perception tends to be reality in the business world a great deal of the time. I can quite easily see the execs at Time Warner thinking of DC as a failed aspect of their holdings, thanks to how disastrously things have gone recently at the cinema - the most high profile of DC’s public and financial exposure.

DC doesn’t mean WB, of course. There’s a misconception that the one automatically means the other. That’s not the case. DC is an asset of WB, which in turn is an asset of Time Warner. The parent company can sell whatever aspects it likes, how it likes. TW May indeed choose to sell the whole of WB, which includes DC, or not. That would be up to them. I think a sale of WB is unlikely though, given how many strong IP and profitable franchises the company has. DC is the vulnerable thing here, given the current state of play.

Your assessment of its vulnerability is based only on its past film performance, though, correct? I see what you're saying about reputation, and I won't argue that the DCEU films aside from SS and WW were not box office disappointments, but I believe each made a profit and, as is the case with MoS and BvS, they merely failed to reach very high expectations yet still made a decent amount. I'm not sure, all things considered, it would be wise for them to sacrifice all of DC. What do you feel would be the deciding factor?

 

[Iceman]

Depends on your perspective. For me, I'd be delighted if the merger were to fall through, and DC were to be sold off to someone who knows what the hell to do with it, like Amazon or Netflix (see my sig below). Disney are not going to buy DC Comics though. That will never happen for reasons which should be glaringly obvious to anyone who thinks about it seriously enough.

I know this: the regulators really aren't liking the shape of the merger deal - the main judge Richard Leon is the kind of guy who could quite easily block it. Were that to happen Time Warner have to find another buyer quickly (doubtful) or asset strip to keep their heads above water (more likely).

And when asset stripping happens it tends to be assets that have not either been profitable, or do not appear to look profitable in the future.

How much did WB spend on Justice League again? And how much did it lose?

This is the real reason why we're not hearing much solid information coming from WB and DC about much right now. The hearings and the case are going before the judge this month. I'm convinced there will be no new grand plan announced for the way forward until the merger is confirmed.... simply because their might not be a way forward if it doesn't come off.

And anyone labouring under the misapprehension that another company would buy DC and retain the existing framework and DCEU narrative is living in cloud cuckoo land. DC gets sold off, the DCEU dies totally, and something new will replace it down the line.

My view of Amazon or Netflix being in charge of things like this has gone up a lot recently and given the properties they have acquired that I care about (particularly fantasy properties), there is a lot at stake. I'm sure DC would be an attractive proposition for them. Do you think in that case that they would kill off the DCEU even to the extent that they give up on the things that definitely went well like PJ/GG Wonder Woman?

 

[Boom]

Considering the crazy amount of money Amazon Studios just threw down for the Middle-earth license, it's doubtful they'd be a potential buyer should Warner Bros. sell off the DC properties.

Netflix is losing MCU and Star Wars films next year when Disney's streaming service goes up, so unless they are content with their Defenders properties, they could be looking for a way to stay in the superhero game long-term and remain competitive with Disney. Having all of the DC properties under their roof would give them that and so much more. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they threw their name in the hat.

Then my dreams of a high-end Batman television series will come that much closer to fruition.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Assuming they know what to do with DC.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Netflix I could see throwing their hat into the ring as well. Didn't they do something with Mark Millar for some superhero based stuff? I could see them wanting to get a potential major IP like that.