All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 5

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Probably not a very good example since Hannibal is universally considered to be a vastly inferior follow-up to Silence of the Lambs. The best-reviewed sequel was Red Dragon, which once again regulated Hannibal to a supporting role.

And even then, Hannibal is still not a true example of what you're discussing. Hannibal is the title character, but Mason is the actual main antagonist and Clarice is still the protagonist.
 
Probably not a very good example since Hannibal is universally considered to be a vastly inferior follow-up to Silence of the Lambs. The best-reviewed sequel was Red Dragon, which once again regulated Hannibal to a supporting role.

NONE of the prequels and sequels are superior to TSotL! Duh..

The point is, okay, the point is, Ballywood decided to make an entire franchise that revolved around a crazy, psychotic, EVIL, sadistic cannibal in Hannibal Lector. Whether the movies sucked or not isn't the point. Hannibal is still the main attraction and lure of these movies -- not Clarice, not Mason, not Graham, not the Tooth Fairy, not even Buffalo Bill. Hannibal Lector, like Jason, Freddy, and Michael.

And even then, Hannibal is still not a true example of what you're discussing. Hannibal is the title character, but Mason is the actual main antagonist and Clarice is still the protagonist.

I thought we were talking about "villians" and how they can't be the main attraction in a movie? Here's another one - Suicide Squad.
 
A small horror type movie with Joker as the main character would work fine imo

Exactly what I alluded to in a few posts but jmc skips that and asks for more answers to not generalize. With Hamada involved, he knows horror and he knows character and suspense. If you're going to have villain-centric films, simply add the horror aethstetic. Look at Halloween. Nobody going to the theater is stoked to be in Michael Myers' corner. People scream at people who are about to die with stuff like "He's behind you, run!" so just because the movie is a Michael Myers film doesn't mean you have to root for him. It's true horror at its finest and a Joker movie could be treated as such. Make the character full of a suspense thriller and the audience will become familiar with that.
 
I would have fired everyone involved with that design after seeing it get that far

**** me lmao

http://cdn.****************.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/joker-concept.jpg

how do so many cringe lords at DC get this far

god bless patty jenkins
 
NONE of the prequels and sequels are superior to TSotL! Duh..

So my point is made. That's why they were each released to increasingly diminished returns.



I thought we were talking about "villians" and how they can't be the main attraction in a movie? Here's another one - Suicide Squad.

Another really bad movie.
 
So my point is made. That's why they were each released to increasingly diminished returns.

And you missed my point again. But since you brought up the BO...


Another really bad movie.

And a financial success at the BO raking in almost $750 million. Hardly a failure, which also proves my point! Thanks! :yay:
 
And you missed my point again. But since you brought up the BO...

I didn't. That was the point. They kept trying to get a franchise out of Hannibal to increasingly diminishing returns, because there's really only so much mileage you can get out of him. Even Anthony Hopkins has said in hindsight, the sequels were a mistake.



And a financial success at the BO raking in almost $750 million. Hardly a failure, which also proves my point! Thanks! :yay:

So, another movie about the "villains" working together to fight an even worse threat. They were all things told, also far more likable than many of the DCEU's actually heroes. These were anti-heroes at best.
 
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I didn't. That was the point. They kept trying to get a franchise out of Hannibal to increasingly diminishing returns, because there's really only so much mileage you can get out of him. Even Anthony Hopkins has said in hindsight, the sequels were a mistake.

Look, my point is they still made 3 (Hannibal, Red Dragon, Hannibal Rising) more movies revolving around a bad guy (Hannibal) after The Silence of the Lambs. "Diminishing returns," "BO failure," and whatever feelings Hopkins had are irrelevant in my argument.

So, another movie about the "villains" working together to fight an even worse threat. They were all things told, also far more likable than many of the DCEU's actually heroes. These were anti-heroes at best.

According to Harley Quinn, "We're the BAD GUYS!" So no, they were villains, not anti-heroes.
 
Harley Quinn, an impeccable source of truth.
 
Yeah, and they're giving Jared Leto's Joker a spin off, too. WB sure know what they're doing.
 
Look, my point is they still made 3 (Hannibal, Red Dragon, Hannibal Rising) more movies revolving around a bad guy (Hannibal) after The Silence of the Lambs. "Diminishing returns," "BO failure," and whatever feelings Hopkins had are irrelevant in my argument.

They aren't. Because they show that clearly there wasn't as much mileage in Hannibal Lecter as a protagonist as you keep insisting.



According to Harley Quinn, "We're the BAD GUYS!"

Whose sole action in the movie was fighting another, worse bad guy.

Anti-heroes.

So popular that she's ALSO getting 2-3 of her own solo/team-up movies! Lol...

You mean the one where she's teaming up with heroes like Batgirl and Huntress, presumably to fight another villain like Penguin? Interesting...:sly:
 
Whose sole action in the movie was fighting another, worse bad guy.

Anti-heroes.
Pretty much. Characters telling us that they're villains doesn't make them villains. "Show don't tell", right?
 
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...-entertainment-writing-producing-deal-1118131

Geoff Johns Exits DC Entertainment for Writing and Producing Deal (Exclusive)


Current DC publisher Jim Lee will assume the chief creative officer position.
DC Entertainment president and chief creative officer Geoff Johns — who went from authoring comic books to having a major hand in the making of movies and television shows based on famous heroes — is stepping down from his executive post and entering into an exclusive writer-producer deal with Warner Bros. and DC, The Hollywood Reporter has learned.

Johns is launching Mad Ghost Productions, a new banner that will see him work on content for films, television and comic books, and have his hand in current DC properties as well as new and reimagined creations.

At the same time, current DC Entertainment publisher Jim Lee will assume the chief creative officer position, taking on the duties while continuing to act as publisher with Dan DiDio. The two have jointly held the post since 2010.

The moves come in the wake of last week’s exit of Diane Nelson, DC Entertainment’s president, to whom Johns reported, and occurs the day before a judge’s decision will be announced in the high-profile anti-trust trial between the U.S. Department of Justice and AT&T, which is seeking to merge with Time Warner, the parent company of both Warner Bros. and DC.

And it takes place as Warners’ movie division is in the midst of a transition as Walter Hamada, who was installed as president of DC-based films at the studio by pictures group chairman Toby Emmerich, in January, begins to shape the superhero slate in the post-Justice League era.

Johns now goes from the executive ranks back to the creative world, a world which he never truly left. Even as he was promoted to DC Entertainment president in 2016, and retained the title of chief creative officer, which he had held since 2010, he continued to pen some of DC’s biggest books. And, more impactfullly, he was key in launching the TV empire based on DC’s heroes, co-developing The CW’s most successful superhero show, The Flash, and with Peter Roth and WBTV, launching Supergirl and Black Lightning, and many others.

The move in essense unshackles him from the boardroom and positions him to be a major force and supplier of content just as Warners' need and audience demand for that sort of material rises like a mercury on steroids.

“I took on a role at DCE because I love the characters and this universe more than anything. But, I want to spend my days writing and on set. I’m thrilled to get back to a more hands-on creative role. It’s a dream job on dream projects, reaching even deeper into DC’s vast pantheon of characters,” said Johns in a statement.

One of John’s first projects will be Green Lantern Corps, based on DC’s intergalactic police heroes which Johns is already very familiar with, having spent nine years writing Green Lantern comics and its spin-offs and publishing events. Johns will write the screenplay and act as one of the producers on the feature film. Johns is already writing and producing Wonder Woman 2 and will have a co-writing and executive producing credit on Aquaman, this year's only DC offering that opens in December.

“Geoff is a super talented writer and truly embedded in the DC Universe and its characters,” stated Emmerich. “We’re thrilled that he’s returning to his passion and his roots as a writer and producer. And, it’s even better that he’s staying in our Warner Bros. family. We look forward to working with him on ‘Green Lantern’ and other projects going forward.”

On the television side, Johns co-developed and is executive producing (alongside Greg Berlanti, Sarah Schechter and Jeremy Carver) and writing on the first original series for the upcoming DC Universe digital service, Titans. Johns also wrote the Titans episode “Doom Patrol” that it is spinning out into its own 13-episode original series for the digital service.

On the publishing side, Johns will write and curate a DC pop-up label under the moniker The Killing Zone, focusing on new and lesser known or dormant DC characters and titles. He will also write a new Shazam comic series scheduled to hit this fall as well as a comic titled Three Jokers, drawn by Jason Fabok. The latter was a project sidelined as Johns’ time was taken up by executive and screen commitments.

“Geoff is one of DC Comics’ most prolific writers, and we can’t wait to see what he does next now that he will be dedicating 100 percent of his time to telling the best DC stories possible across all media," stated DiDio and Lee.
 
As far as the film universe for DC/WB goes, there needs to be a 'definitive' person A is responsible for this, person B is responsible for that and so on. Currently it appears we have a situation, where its a case of 'you have a go at role X whilst I do role Y and see what happens', like it's a job experience project.
 
So much for Johns being punished, phased out, etc. Can't tell if this is a demotion or not, but I can't imagine he'd have that much of an issue with this turn of events. GL has to be like a dream project for him, doesn't it? Oh, wait. He just said it was.
 
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I was hoping he'd be out, but he really should be working on GL only IMO. I don't like his influence on anything else.
 
Mad Ghost Productions' website seems to confirm those plot rumors we've been hearing about GL Corps.

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http://www.madghostproductions.com/about/

Under this new deal, one of Johns’ first film projects will be Warner Bros. Pictures’ “Green Lantern Corps,” based on his New York Times bestselling series that saw an impressive nine-year run, spawning additional spin-off titles and comic book events. Johns will write and be a producer on the film. Additionally, he co-wrote and executive produced “Aquaman,” which releases worldwide December 21, and is writing and executive producing the second installment of the “Wonder Woman” franchise with director Patty Jenkins, releasing in November 2019. New Line’s “Shazam!,” slated for an April 2019 release, is based on his original graphic novel.
 
Sounds like he's just going back to being a writer and producer rather than leaving the company. TBH It's probably better for him in the long run because he was overstretching trying to be an exec, writing TV episodes, producing and writing things like Doomsday Clock.
 
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