All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 51

[Great Mind(s)]

What is the length ?

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

People are over thinking the length of the film without having seeing it.

It doesn't matter. For some, a movie can only be great and ''epic'' if it has 4h.t:

 

[DarthSkywalker]

How are the Nolan films bigger in scale and story than Thor or Iron Man or Captain America?

I think you're confusing "longer" and "more complex" with "scale".

I've heard on more than one occasion casual fans complain about the length of the Nolan movies. They do begin to drag a bit.

Box office doesn't seem to indicate that in the least.

And no, I mean bigger scale and storytelling. It is easy to say your film is about Gods, suits of armor and super soldiers. It is different to film it as so. Forget the themes, which make it an easy comparison, just look at how the films are shot. When Nolan wanted to do something, especially after Begins though some of it was there, he rarely shortchanged it. When Nolan decided he needed to see Bruce sword fighting on ice, he filmed it. The truck flip, the ridiculous establishing shots, Batman's trip to Hong Kong, TDKR prologue, the tumbler chase, etc. Where as with Thor or Cap, we got a lot of obvious CGI backgrounds (those Cap hangars), small sets etc. It is why Nolan's films are so cinematic. Just look at the scene with Bruce and his parents.

First phase Marvel films give the allusion of scale, but actually kept it rather small. Just go and look at the IM3 and Dark World trailers and compare them to the first phase. Night and day in terms of scale.

 

[kguillou]

I think this is a good run time, its the first film, we don't want things to drag too much. Believe me its plenty of time. I imagine it'll be similar to Batman Begins, first 35-40 min will be introducing us to clark and setting up the world. The last 85-90 min will be Superman action. Thats plenty.

Although I gotta say I was hoping for a trademark Snyder Director's cut down the line for us fans, but doesn't look like that's gonna happen

 

[Kane52630]

Hopefully there's a MMM feature on the bluray that lets us see what got out of the cut.

 

[X Knight]

A number of sources are saying 148 minutes. You heard different?

I'm just going by what was posted on here a few pages back.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The same could be said about many films which are way too long and drag too much.

Do you read only parts of post?

Runtime doesn't necessarily translate to scale. Star Wars and Star Trek have both given examples of this. Pacing is everything.

I've personally never been bothered by long films so long as they are good (LOTR extended edition? bring it on!) but I'm not worried if they are only 2 hours, so long as the pacing and story is right.

You have to think of the stories those films are telling in comparison. Everything we have been lead to believe here is that it is very different from that.

I am not saying this is going to fail. I still think this is going to rock, but now I am worried again.

 

[king666]

Honestly, I would be completely fine with MOS being part of a bigger universe (DCCU), as long as it doesn't ruin the Superman franchise. I'd kill to watch a WF/JL movie.

That being said, I really don't trust WB. lol.

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

Do you read only parts of post?

No. Do you?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No. Do you?

Then how did you miss when I already covered that? Do you have a problem?

 

[mad-sci]

So people are complaining that MOS's supposed runtime of 130 minutes is too low, and will inevitably lead to pacing issues...


Ok, can I ask those people a serious question?


As you've obviously seen MOS, what did you think?



WHY were there pacing issues with the runtime? HOW would you have improved or redone the slow moments?


Any other constructive criticism please...



Say, why didn't WB do a Peter Jackson instead, as with the Hobbit (making a 3 hour film from the first 8 chapters of a child-aimed book)? We could have a 3 hour film of Krypton, 3 hours of Clark in Smallville, and a final and concluding 3 hours of Superman, after which Cavill is done?




Sometimes, the best films made are the shortest - Star Trek: Wrath of Khan vs. ST:Motion Picture, Harry Potter POA/OOTP vs SS/COS/GOF.



If you seriously have issues with a runtime of over 2 hours, without seeing the final product....

Cue the Farnsworth meme...

 

[Rogzilla]

I think this is a good run time, its the first film, we don't want things to drag too much. Believe me its plenty of time. I imagine it'll be similar to Batman Begins, first 35-40 min will be introducing us to clark and setting up the world. The last 85-90 min will be Superman action. Thats plenty.

Although I gotta say I was hoping for a trademark Snyder Director's cut down the line for us fans, but doesn't look like that's gonna happen

Doesn't mean we won't get an "Extended Edition" at some point. Peter Jackson said many times that what he put out in the theaters was the "Director's cut" of LOTR but there was still more to include and they did release those.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I understand the concern here. Its not an off-the-wall concern guys. Its a worry about how everything fits together. I'm sympathetic to the concern, though not on board with it (not yet, anyways).

 

[Kane52630]

Cue the Farnsworth meme...

Spoiler

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

Then how did you miss when I already covered that? Do you have a problem?

I simply replied about movies being hurt about short runtime, which was the first thing you stated.
Saying there are long, short and just right movies was just stating the obvious.

Since you asked: do you have a problem?

 

[georgec]

Wow the marketing REALLY picked up... I just remember 3 weeks ago when this was such a bored site and almost everyone here was complaining everyday

Check out the discussion about the runtime.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I simply replied about movies being hurt about short runtime, which was the first thing you stated.
Saying there are long, short and just right movies was just stating the obvious.

Since you asked: do you have a problem?

Only with those that avoid 90% of post because it doesn't help their argument. Like you.

 

[mad-sci]

Bwah!

That Shannon meme is hysterical!

Sadly, I'd rather be more trusting if it was Cavill. Or Crowe...

 

[Project862006]

well it's not like they are gonna spend 45 minutes on teenage Clark lol nor should they

teenage clark i bet is gonna consist of bus scene and reveal of his ship by Johnathan

and young clark probably just him discovering his powers like hearing and remember this is probably told in flashbacks

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Hopefully there's a MMM feature on the bluray that lets us see what got out of the cut.

What does MMM mean?

 

[Kane52630]

Maximum Movie Mode

 

[dark_b]

I think this is a good run time, its the first film, we don't want things to drag too much. Believe me its plenty of time. I imagine it'll be similar to Batman Begins, first 35-40 min will be introducing us to clark and setting up the world. The last 85-90 min will be Superman action. Thats plenty.

Although I gotta say I was hoping for a trademark Snyder Director's cut down the line for us fans, but doesn't look like that's gonna happen

remember two parents and two planets. and after that Clark alone outside traveling. different comapred to BB

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

Only with those that avoid 90% of post because it doesn't help their argument. Like you.

Maybe I should start using it with the ones who make obvious statements in their posts. Like you.

Are you feeling fine?

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Maximum Movie Mode

Wow, cool! Thanks!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I understand the concern here. Its not an off-the-wall concern guys. Its a worry about how everything fits together. I'm sympathetic to the concern, though not on board with it (not yet, anyways).

A lot here have speculated that we haven't seen a lot of the film, and I was really on board with that.

As in, we haven't even touched on a lot of scenes. This runtime makes me think that isn't so true anymore. Of course we haven't seen anywhere close the the runtime, but think of what we have seen. Unless we are going to have a lot of short scenes, I am starting to think we might be closer to having it figured out then I originally thought. Krypton prologue? Clark wandering the Earth inter-cut with his youth, ending in the Fortress? How does Lois' search play into that?

I just can't imagine Zod showing up with only 30-40 mins left. That just feels really short considering what we already know about what happens once he arrives.