All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 51

[sf2]

Routh had no career before Superman and now he gets side roles in movies and on T.V.

Ironically Superman made and destroyed his career. (He seems like a nice happy guy who can take care of his family by doing what he loves so I'm sure he isn't crying over his fate). I think that is a fair question to ask any actor who plays Supes.

all the best to Brandon Routh. hopefully he will lead in movie again.

 

[KalMart]

I...

... I have not tried that.

YET.

I have.








It's epic.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

Thank you Bryan Singer. Without you Man of Steel would not be happening.

Now that's what I call "glass half-full" thinking - or looking at a lemon and being able to see the lemonade.

 

[redhawk23]

somebody still hasn't made a manip of that lexcorp logo yet! Somebody like do it now pwetty please!!!!! :d :d

Here's my best shot.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

Once we have an actor locked down to play Lex Luthor, somebody should produce a parody of the Mr. Clean logo.

 

[Lily Adler]

Thank you Bryan Singer. Without you Man of Steel would not be happening.

Does anyone else fear that MOS will be good, but we will never truly enjoy it because of that nagging thought that this is what SR should have been?

 

[sf2]

Dude made more money than any of us will ever see and is in a rare group of actors playing the single most iconic and recognizable character in pop culture. Plus his wife is hot and has a stable TV career.

Anyone who feels bad for the guy shouldn't and anyone making fun of him should get a life.

Well, Mark Wahlberg in Ted (or the whole movie team) making fun of him. i guess he is / they are living a good life.

 

[sf2]

Here's my best shot.

lexcorp building doesn't look outstanding.

 

[Naite22]

In the new Empire-Magazine, Snyder says, and I quote:

"The final running time is something like two hours ten, and this is it. The movie is the director’s cut" - he insists...

Must say, I'm VERY disappointed in hearing this :-( For once, i'd hoped that imdb's firstly listed running time of 2:28 hours had been the truth!!... I'm really not liking the idea of MOS only running at 2:10 hours! It feels like it might end up being rushed and that they won't take the advantage of fleshing things out in the best possible way!? I don't think 2:10 hours is enough time at all, when considered all the things and all the places it seems to be taking Us to? Feels like it could easily get messy, now! :-( What do you others think about this disappointing news?

 

[BH/HHH]

Does anyone else fear that MOS will be good, but we will never truly enjoy it because of that nagging thought that this is what SR should have been?

Not at all, I actually feel I can relax more about SRs now because I trulu believe this is going to be the Superman movie I've always wanted to see. Actors like Adams, Cavill and Shannon are in better places than they were then so I might never have gotten to see those actors play these roles.
Tbh knowing where we are now if I could go back and change a few things it might have been nice had SRs done a more definitive ending to the Donnerverse.

 

[Naked Shia]

2:10 is more than enough to tell an epic origin story.

 

[Naite22]

^ too short... Should have stayed at 2:28 hours. It's disappointing.

 

[Zionite1]

The thing is, Iron Man got a sequel prior to The Avengers. But it would not surprise me at all if Snyder gets offered both JL and the MOS sequel if the film overperforms by a big margin.

And as for MOS' runtime, 130 minutes sounds just fine. Not every superhero film needs to be 2.5 hours long apiece.

Remember 2015 is the year of Avengers 2 and Star wars.

Wb needs a film that can compete with this two giants and quite frankly they probably doubt Superman alone can take them.MOS performance cld howver change their minds but it wld have to do TDK numbers or close to it for WB to have faith it can.

So yeah nostalgia can cloud our judgement and we could've want Donner Superman/Burton Batman movies way back when but it doesn't mean we were wrong to want that cause of the way things turned out. We're fans what we always want isn't best but that's why we're fans and not filmmakers.

Just goes to show you overrated words like ''Classic'' and ''listening to fans'' truly is.

 

[Simo]

2:10 is more than enough to tell an epic origin story.

Exactly. Quality over quantity.

From Star Trek to Batman Begins had around the same running time and they didn't suffer from being "too short".

 

[Naite22]

Batman begins was 2:23 as I recall??.

 

[robmx522]

Thank you Bryan Singer. Without you Man of Steel would not be happening.

like

 

[Wheels]

Does anyone else fear that MOS will be good, but we will never truly enjoy it because of that nagging thought that this is what SR should have been?

Nah.

 

[BH/HHH]

2 hours 10 mins is fine he may even be talking about it minus the credits which I believe someone said Batman Begins was

 

[G.Godfrey]

lexcorp building doesn't look outstanding.

It's a building dude. How outstanding can it look? And probably only a CGI made logo made as an easter egg. And even if not, it looks OK, imo.

 

[G.Godfrey]

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[G.Godfrey]

2:10 is more than enough to tell an epic origin story.

Depends on whose origin it is. Superman's is (one of) the biggest, most epic origins - if done right. This film seems to cover more ground than S:TM which was at 143 minutes (ok some of that is intro and end credits).

If it's 2:10 without end credits, then it should suffice in this case, but just for fun I've decide to do a breakdown of what we know and how long certain aspect could/should be based on my life-long movie watching experiences, lol. t:

Krypton scenes - 15 - 20 minutes?

Goyer said Crowe's part isn't just a cameo. Empire article again states we'll see quite a bit of Krypton. Supposedly they really fleshed out aspects like politics, fauna etc. I expect some of Krypton to be in flashbacks but they have to cover Zod's back story a bit and his capture, Jor-El, the genetic manipulation thing, civil war and the rest. Can't see this being under 20 minutes. 15 at the least.

Smallville scenes with Clark growing up - 15 - 20 minutes?

Again there is a whole period to cover here, from baby Kal-El landing, to him being a young boy (the hospital scene) to him being a teenager (school bus/ship in the barn) to the adult Clark (Tornado sequence). I can't see this being under 15 minutes as well.

Clark on a journey - 15 minutes?

This includes Clark's decision to travel, arriving in Alaska, working in a bar, on a dock/fishing boat, rescuing the oil rig workers AND finding the fortress. Just the bit in the fortress is probably going to be 5 minutes at least so 15 minutes for everything is the least I can imagine.

Lois Lane/Daily Planet - 10 minutes?

Lane/Perry/Daily Planet introduction and Lois following Clark around.

So far that's 55 minutes at the minimum and 65 for what I think would be an OK time for nothing to feel rushed or underdeveloped, although with everything that has to be covered in here I expect the pace to be rather fast and montage like in some cases. Not my personal preference but I admit it doesn't necessarily make the movie worst. Moving on we will have

Zod's escape journey towards Earth/Hopefully some character development for him and Faora/Zod's arrival on earth and Kent farm/Smallville battle/Supes surrender to military, Supes in interrogation/Scenes with Hamilton/Military giving Supes to Faora and co - 25 minutes

Black Zero scenes and the Black Zero escape - 10 minutes

No idea what will happen here but I'm expecting some Zod/Supes conversation, them putting or trying to put Superman in a prison cell, Superman rescuing Lois (escape pod remember) and Supes dealing with Zod.

Black Zero arrival on Metropolis/Final battle - 15 minutes

Conclusion/Clark's Daily Planet scenes - 10 minutes

Miscellaneous stuff/Things I forgot ( )/Things that we don't know about (I'm sure there's some). - 10 minutes

So thats 70 minutes and if we add the 65 I'm hoping for the origin parts that is 135 minutes or 125 minutes at the minimum.

I hope nobody expects a fully fleshed out Lois/Supes relationship (remember the supposed early screenings reviews, everyone said this felt rushed) but that's OK, there shouldn't be one in an origin, IMO.

I also hope that Zod is not an underdeveloped villain with minimal screen time (ala Nero in ST).

And that's it. Now me, I like my movies to breathe. I don't like a too fast pace or montage like scenes, but that's a personal preference. If I enjoy a movie I can watch it for 3 hours . If TDKR was 30 minutes longer and had more Batman/Bane back story/Selina-Catwoman time I'd love it! t: But like I said, I do know this doesn't translate into movie quality.

Now if it's 130 minutes WITH end credits, meaning it's only like 120 minutes or less, then we have a problem. A BIG problem. But I'm still hoping that the IMDB run time is true, 148 minutes with credits, leaving the film in the 135 range. Pretty much perfect.

Any thoughts on this??? t:

 

[BH/HHH]

I'm currently reading the Empire article (decided to pick up the Superman cover as I've always preferred the hero to the villain :d) and I love how often Snyder uses the word awesome. I really do love that he's a comic fan and he gets to play with that stuff in his job.

 

[Naite22]

Depends on whose origin it is. Superman's is (one of) the biggest, most epic origins - if done right. This film seems to cover more ground than S:TM which was at 143 minutes (ok some of that is intro and end credits).

If it's 2:10 without end credits, then it should suffice in this case, but just for fun I've decide to do a breakdown of what we know and how long certain aspect could/should be based on my life-long movie watching experiences, lol. t:

Krypton scenes - 15 - 20 minutes?

Goyer said Crowe's part isn't just a cameo. Empire article again states we'll see quite a bit of Krypton. Supposedly they really fleshed out aspects like politics, fauna etc. I expect some of Krypton to be in flashbacks but they have to cover Zod's back story a bit and his capture, Jor-El, the genetic manipulation thing, civil war and the rest. Can't see this being under 20 minutes. 15 at the least.

Smallville scenes with Clark growing up - 15 - 20 minutes?

Again there is a whole period to cover here, from baby Kal-El landing, to him being a young boy (the hospital scene) to him being a teenager (school bus/ship in the barn) to the adult Clark (Tornado sequence). I can't see this being under 15 minutes as well.

Clark on a journey - 15 minutes?

This includes Clark's decision to travel, arriving in Alaska, working in a bar, on a dock/fishing boat, rescuing the oil rig workers AND finding the fortress. Just the bit in the fortress is probably going to be 5 minutes at least so 15 minutes for everything is the least I can imagine.

Lois Lane/Daily Planet - 10 minutes?

Lane/Perry/Daily Planet introduction and Lois following Clark around.

So far that's 55 minutes at the minimum and 65 for what I think would be an OK time for nothing to feel rushed or underdeveloped, although with everything that has to be covered in here I expect the pace to be rather fast and montage like in some cases. Not my personal preference but I admit it doesn't necessarily make the movie worst. Moving on we will have

Zod's escape journey towards Earth/Hopefully some character development for him and Faora/Zod's arrival on earth and Kent farm/Smallville battle/Supes surrender to military, Supes in interrogation/Scenes with Hamilton/Military giving Supes to Faora and co - 25 minutes

Black Zero scenes and the Black Zero escape - 10 minutes

No idea what will happen here but I'm expecting some Zod/Supes conversation, them putting or trying to put Superman in a prison cell, Superman rescuing Lois (escape pod remember) and Supes dealing with Zod.

Black Zero arrival on Metropolis/Final battle - 15 minutes

Conclusion/Clark's Daily Planet scenes - 10 minutes

Miscellaneous stuff/Things I forgot ( )/Things that we don't know about (I'm sure there's some). - 10 minutes

So thats 70 minutes and if we add the 65 I'm hoping for the origin parts that is 135 minutes or 125 minutes at the minimum.

I hope nobody expects a fully fleshed out Lois/Supes relationship (remember the supposed early screenings reviews, everyone said this felt rushed) but that's OK, there shouldn't be one in an origin, IMO.

I also hope that Zod is not an underdeveloped villain with minimal screen time (ala Nero in ST).

And that's it. Now me, I like my movies to breathe. I don't like a too fast pace or montage like scenes, but that's a personal preference. If I enjoy a movie I can watch it for 3 hours . If TDKR was 30 minutes longer and had more Batman/Bane back story/Selina-Catwoman time I'd love it! t: But like I said, I do know this doesn't translate into movie quality.

Now if it's 130 minutes WITH end credits, meaning it's only like 120 minutes or less, then we have a problem. A BIG problem. But I'm still hoping that the IMDB run time is true, 148 minutes with credits, leaving the film in the 135 range. Pretty much perfect.

Any thoughts on this??? t:

COMPLETELY agree on ALL of this! And that's exactly my points as well...

I sooo hope that Imdb.com is right about the 2:28 hour running time! Buuut, given that Snyder him self mentions in Empire that the movie is about 2:10 hours, my hopes for imdb's listing of 2:28 hours kinda falls flat... Actually pretty sad :-(

This movie COULD end up feeling "half-assed" if there isn't enough time for this epic to breathe and be fleshed out. So I'm actually kinda worried about this 2:10 hour thingy. The Amazing Spiderman was 2:10 hours! And that's fine because the story is so much smaller to tell! But this is superman! Are we really the only ones worried about this running time problem? :-(

 

[Naite22]

****ing TWILIGHT movies have running times of 2:25 hours!!!! If MOS really only has a running time of 2:10 hours, color me disappointed! Seriously. This movie is too big. it has too many elements, and it'll all seem way too rushed if this film proves to be only 2:10. It's almost for certain :-( i'd say that the trailers alone really does seem to promise a longer movie. This can't be true.

 

[J.Howlett]

****ing TWILIGHT movies have running times of 2:25 hours!!!! If MOS really only has a running time of 2:10 hours, color me disappointed! Seriously. This movie is too big. it has too many elements, and it'll all seem way too rushed if this film proves to be only 2:10. It's almost for certain :-( i'd say that the trailers alone really does seem to promise a longer movie. This can't be true.

Batman Begins is 2hrs and 11 minutes without credits. The running time talked about in the Empire Magazine article is probably the running time of the film without credits....meaning, it's the same running time of Begins.

What's there to complain about?

The first Iron Man film, without credits, is 1hr and 57 minutes. Iron Man 2 is 1hr and 58 minutes without credits.