All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 92

[hopefuldreamer]

Well to be honest, in that military scene, Superman also said that he's willing to help BUT ON HIS OWN TERMS..and he even told the military at the interrogation that they were never going to control him.

True. I'm just saying we could easily see elements of that Superman/Batman dynamic in this film.

And if that happens, the world will truly have become my distopia

 

[Mysteryman]

Well they wouldn't have to write to a certain actor's characteristics at this point anyway.
Just write Batman.
Goyers done that before.

 

[Herolee10]

True. I'm just saying we could easily see elements of that Superman/Batman dynamic in this film.

And if that happens, the world will truly have become my distopia

Would you be happy if they based their dynamics off of the animated pair from the How it should have ended cafe segments?lol

 

[bluearth]

Hate to bring up the Avengers again, but lets be serious here, the destruction and death in that film (which was estimated to be much worse then the recent Japanese Tsunami) wasn't overlooked soley because there were a handful of scenes depicting the heroes protecting or saving civilians. It got a free pass mainly because it gave the illusion of no civilians were being harmed (people can be seen getting picked up and slammed by the World Engine in Man of Steel) and because the overall tone of the film was much lighter then Man of Steel, almost cartoony. T

Dont get me wrong, I love the Avengers, its my favorite comic book film and Man of Steel is #2. But I wonder if people understand with the more grounded universe Snyder, Goyer etc are creating they simply cant do some things. Show the world celebrating Superman's triumph, and people will say he didnt earn their trust and support. Dont show them celebrating his triumph, and people say its bad writing as we don tknow what the people of earth think of him. Show the peoples reaction as mixed, and people will say the film didnt do a good job of making Superman likeable while leaving the film to end with mixed emotions.

I guess the moral of the story is grounding Superman and putting a more realistic spin on the character is sometimes going to backfire...and some of the criticism of really unfixable issues was the result.

 

[PacificBoy]

Would you be happy if they based their dynamics off of the animated pair from the How it should have ended cafe segments?lol

Imagine how epic the HISHE Super Cafe segments alone would be in 2015 with all the superhero movies coming to pass.

I rather have a MOS 2 solely featuring Superman and I share in the reservations. But World's Finest. That's all.

World's Finest near damn guarantees 1B in the bank from the anticipation alone.

 

[PacificBoy]

Hate to bring up the Avengers again, but lets be serious here, the destruction and death in that film (which was estimated to be much worse then the recent Japanese Tsunami) wasn't overlooked soley because there were a handful of scenes depicting the heroes protecting or saving civilians. It got a free pass mainly because it gave the illusion of no civilians were being harmed (people can be seen getting picked up and slammed by the World Engine in Man of Steel) and because the overall tone of the film was much lighter then Man of Steel, almost cartoony. T

Dont get me wrong, I love the Avengers, its my favorite comic book film and Man of Steel is #2. But I wonder if people understand with the more grounded universe Snyder, Goyer etc are creating they simply cant do some things. Show the world celebrating Superman's triumph, and people will say he didnt earn their trust and support. Dont show them celebrating his triumph, and people say its bad writing as we don tknow what the people of earth think of him. Show the peoples reaction as mixed, and people will say the film didnt do a good job of making Superman likeable while leaving the film to end with mixed emotions.

I guess the moral of the story is grounding Superman and putting a more realistic spin on the character is sometimes going to backfire...and some of the criticism of really unfixable issues was the result.

Not true. The end news montage showed candlelight vigils and people grieving, acknowledging the deaths that happened. You might say the montage is paying lip service to all the devastation that transpired, but at least some acknowledgement is given. Yes, MOS 2 or World's Finest will probably explore the ramifications and repercussions of the wrecking of Metropolis. But we see ZERO acknowledgement of it in MOS. In fact you could say the death and devastation caused by the world engine is more cartoony because it isn't acknowledged in any way, form or shape.

 

[BH/HHH]

When do we think SHH will open up a Superman/Batman page for all the threads?

 

[Bruce Malone]

When do we think SHH will open up a Superman/Batman page for all the threads?

Probably when we have a better idea as to what this film really is? There are threads on it now in about 3 different forums here. The Superman, Batman and DC films sections.

 

[GreenKToo]

This is all about JL folks. They need batman reintroducef for it, but, they prolly think a solo rebooted bat film is too risky so soon after nolan's films. Soo, why not introduce him in the MoS sequel one of the suits proly thought. Not surprised really. Well, yeah I kinda am. I Cant believe they're actually doing it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Probably when we have a better idea as to what this film really is? There are threads on it now in about 3 different forums here. The Superman, Batman and DC films sections.

See, all the chicken littles posting about how horrible this film is going to be should note the level of Hype 1 days worth of news has unleashed. Imagine what happens when images and story elements are released. This should be a moment of pure celebration.

 

[J.Howlett]

Here's the thing about everyone's negative reaction to this and how they all think that this is a WB money grap....who's to say that WB wanted a pure Man of Steel sequel and Snyder and Goyer are the ones who presented them with this idea of a Man of Steel sequel that features Batman?

Why is that not a possibility?

 

[BH/HHH]

Selectively inaccurate.

Begins - Wrote story, co-wrote script with C Nolan
TDK - Co-wrote story, not involved in script, that was Chris & Jonah.

What about other films he's written?

Nick Fury: Agent of Shield - written by
Blade Trinity - written & directed by
The Unborn - written by
Ghost Rider: SOV - story, co-wrote screenplay
Jumper - co-wrote screenplay.

So like others in the film industry his stuffs been a mixed bad doesn't mean he won't knock WF out of the park. Also he may have co-written Batman Begins and the Dark Knight but he still wrote them didn't he? He had one involvement. Also I've read his early draft of Begins and it's not to different to what's on screen.

 

[J.Howlett]

So like others in the film industry his stuffs been a mixed bad doesn't mean he won't knock WF out of the park. Also he may have co-written Batman Begins and the Dark Knight but he still wrote them didn't he? He had one involvement. Also I've read his early draft of Begins and it's not to different to what's on screen.

His Begins 7 week script is the film. Pretty much note for note with some slight changes.

Goyer's fine. People just seem to forget he wrote Blade 2 and one of the all time best sci-fi films in Dark City.

He and Snyder will craft this thing. I'm sure a Nolan will be involved with the pages of the script at some point. They may not get credit but they'll be bouncing ideas off of each other.

Honestly, I don't want a lot of hands in the pot. If this thing is through the eyes of Snyder and Goyer, that's perfectly fine with me than having six writers touch this thing.

 

[BH/HHH]

not sure if this is allowed but here is the audio of the announcement...if not allowed, mods take it down the link..

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/zack-snyder-announces-man-steel-2-comic-con

one other thing...the pessimism from certain posters on this board, superman fans as well, who are not excited about this film......i have no idea what to say to you so will say nothing apart from i'm loving this, i'm sure a whole lot more are loving this and cannot wait for this.

Wow that was awesome.

One of the reasons I'm getting fed up here lately is the large pessimistic attitude. It's Superman Batman in a movie people, it may never happen again in our life time. Just enjoy the damn experience.

 

[BH/HHH]

His Begins 7 week script is the film. Pretty much note for note with some slight changes.

Goyer's fine. People just seem to forget he wrote Blade 2 and one of the all time best sci-fi films in Dark City.

He and Snyder will craft this thing. I'm sure a Nolan will be involved with the pages of the script at some point. They may not get credit but they'll be bouncing ideas off of each other.

Honestly, I don't want a lot of hands in the pot. If this thing is through the eyes of Snyder and Goyer, that's perfectly fine with me than having six writers touch this thing.

He wrote Dark City too I love that movie!

 

[J.Howlett]

He wrote Dark City too I love that movie!

Yeah, he and Proyas. People forget that that film was the Matrix before the Matrix. It's a masterpiece, plain and simple. I don't care who you give the credit to. Dark City is a masterpiece and Goyer's name is all over it.

Next....

 

[BH/HHH]

Yup



Actually, I think the thing to remember is that Snyder likes Miller's work.

He gained success with the adaption of '300' and is producing the sequel.

And now he picked a line from Miller's famous Batman/Superman story. Not just any line, but one about Batman beating Superman down.

Not to mention how they ended it with Superman making friends with the military and assuring them he only has America's interests at heart and is on their side...

Oh god, I think I feel sick.



Yeah unfortunately Wolverine popped into my head too...

Listen to the announcement he didn't say it was gonna be in the film he said he was looking for something that would get across what was happening. In other words Superman and Batman in a film together so he took a quote from their most famous story together.

Lo lets not forge Snyder was the one who said "Really?" When asked about Batman beating Superman. Yes the question he was asked did refer specifically to Nolan's Batman but his answer was more generic.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Wow that was awesome.

One of the reasons I'm getting fed up here lately is the large pessimistic attitude. It's Superman Batman in a movie people, it may never happen again in our life time. Just enjoy the damn experience.

Don't let it get too under your skin. I let the people who did not care for or just plain hated MOS and their comments slide off my back. What ever they think didn't matter. It's a hit (and Blu ray/VOD/syndication and merch aren't even factored in yet) and it's now going to be the foundation stone to a DCCU. The hyperbole of the internet chat board set shouldn't affect us in the least as long as we get what we want and enjoy it. Namaste brothers and sister.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, he and Proyas. People forget that that film was the Matrix before the Matrix. It's a masterpiece, plain and simple. I don't care who you give the credit to. Dark City is a masterpiece and Goyer's name is all over it.

Next....

He didn't write that did he? I kid

 

[Herolee10]

Here's the thing about everyone's negative reaction to this and how they all think that this is a WB money grap....who's to say that WB wanted a pure Man of Steel sequel and Snyder and Goyer are the ones who presented them with this idea of a Man of Steel sequel that features Batman?

Why is that not a possibility?

Because Batman is a icon to himself, Warner Bros.'s poster child for the comic book films, and that they wouldn't regulate him to an simple supporting role.

 

[J.Howlett]

Wow that was awesome.

One of the reasons I'm getting fed up here lately is the large pessimistic attitude. It's Superman Batman in a movie people, it may never happen again in our life time. Just enjoy the damn experience.

Dude, I've been fed up a while with how things are spun when it comes to how WB has handled their properties vs. .....

Strip away the buzz and the announcements and the showmanship each year at Comic-Con and the quantity of the films and look at the films themselves and tell me who's putting out the better product...even with art being as subjective as it is.

 

[J.Howlett]

Because Batman is a icon to himself, Warner Bros.'s poster child for the comic book films, and that they wouldn't regulate him to an simple supporting role.

And yet, they know the relevance that Nolan's trilogy holds over the genre. You have to be kidding yourself to think that WB may not have been apprehensive about touching Batman so soon in the process.

Again, who's to say that Snyder and Goyer hatched this idea and not WB? And if that's the case, then we have no idea what they have up their sleeve.

If this was a WB plan from the get go, I'd be worried and agree with you. But, we don't know that.

And if this film is more Man of Steel 2 than World's Finest, then we really don't know what to expect.

For me, this is all positive. This is monumental. Sure, WB could've gone the Marvel way and done lead up film and lead up film with a director here and there. Fine. That seems to be what people want.

I don't want that. We've seen that. Give me something else. This is that something else.

I just don't think people understand the magnitude of Superman and Batman on the screen together in a 200 million dollar films for the first time ever. These guys are the icons on the industry and the genre. You can't get bigger than these two guys, no matter how many Avengers or Dark Justice League characters you put into those films.

This is Batman and Superman in a 200 million dollar tentpole film that will cap off Summer 2015.

Call me crazy but I'm going to look on the optimistic side on this one. The only thing that would make this project even bigger is if Spider-Man showed up but he plays for the other team because those three are the biggest of them all. F Tony Stark and his boy band...

 

[Lily Adler]

Wow that was awesome.

One of the reasons I'm getting fed up here lately is the large pessimistic attitude. It's Superman Batman in a movie people, it may never happen again in our life time. Just enjoy the damn experience.

Credit largely goes to HeroLee the Drama Queen.

 

[Herolee10]

Credit largely goes to HeroLee the Drama Queen.

 

[Herolee10]

And yet, they know the relevance that Nolan's trilogy holds over the genre. You have to be kidding yourself to think that WB may not have been apprehensive about touching Batman so soon in the process.

Again, who's to say that Snyder and Goyer hatched this idea and not WB? And if that's the case, then we have no idea what they have up their sleeve.

If this was a WB plan from the get go, I'd be worried and agree with you. But, we don't know that.

And if this film is more Man of Steel 2 than World's Finest, then we really don't know what to expect.

For me, this is all positive. This is monumental. Sure, WB could've gone the Marvel way and done lead up film and lead up film with a director here and there. Fine. That seems to be what people want.

I don't want that. We've seen that. Give me something else. This is that something else.

I just don't think people understand the magnitude of Superman and Batman on the screen together in a 200 million dollar films for the first time ever. These guys are the icons on the industry and the genre. You can't get bigger than these two guys, no matter how many Avengers or Dark Justice League characters you put into those films.

This is Batman and Superman in a 200 million dollar tentpole film that will cap off Summer 2015.

Call me crazy but I'm going to look on the optimistic side on this one. The only thing that would make this project even bigger is if Spider-Man showed up but he plays for the other team because those three are the biggest of them all. F Tony Stark and his boy band...

lol; I'd still take a solo superman film that progressed his story from MOS as opposed to the so called "monumental" meeting between Batman and Superman.