All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 92

[The Sage]

It speaks miles of Nolan as a storyteller that MORE people aren't bothered by his depiction of Batman. For all my nitpics about the stories, they're mostly well told. The poor reboot will have to be both a great movie and a great adaptation to please the GA and fans. That would be a hard feat to reach, especially when the potential has been shown through the recent Arkham games (and TAS before that, but it had limitations due to its audience. Imagine not being able to have any swearing or carnage [sure there are notable episodes, like the "death" of Batgirl in a dream.])

I loved TAS.

LOL, there were complaints about Nolan's films. Doesn't seem like it nowadays, but back then during the releases there was criticism, especially for TDKR. I'm just one of the guys that doesn't have as many.

Yeah, I don't know what they'll do with the reboot. Honestly, I feel like they should just wait until Justice League to reintroduce Batman.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ This.

Then this:

Then Justice League

Or better yet, start with WF, then plop him in Justice League, and when people WANT more Batman, give him the Arkham adaptation

 

[Herolee10]

I loved TAS.

LOL, there were complaints about Nolan's films. Doesn't seem like it nowadays, but back then during the releases there was criticism, especially for TDKR. I'm just one of the guys that doesn't have as many.

Yeah, I don't know what they'll do with the reboot. Honestly, I feel like they should just wait until Justice League to reintroduce Batman.

Well I definitely wouldn't want them to retell Batman's Origin all over again since I felt that BB did a great and extensive job with that. If anything, I'd do something similar to what "Arkham Origins" is doing and showcase Batman's first years as a crime fighter in Gotham and how he eventually got recognized as a hero by its citizens while forging the antagonist relationships that he has with its criminal society.

I think that in order to really have that significant feeling when the time comes to have Superman and Batman meet on the big screen, you need to have first convinced the audience that the new guy playing Batman..IS Batman like how Henry's gotten over as Superman to a good amount of fans and moviegoers.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I actually think the WTH-is-this-guy-effect would work STRONGER in a WF film than a reboot. In a reboot, there will most likely be a "too-soon effect." This is kind of inevitable. But that "too soon" effect in WF will have a sense of intrigue to it, IMHO.

If they do a World's Finest, the first thought many will think is "Why couldn't they have gotten to do Bale as Batman?"

Following it up with a fantastical Batman in a fantastical world would counter that question. Doing the comic-oriented Batman first will end up being EVEN more divisive than MOS was. When Intersteller hits, Nolan's rating amongst the public will shoot skyhigh. When that happens, there will be people who will think that ONLY he could do Batman right. I'm not saying don't reboot Batman because of Nolanite trolls in this world.

I am saying that the best thing to do is start out with a film that doesn't have to compete with the legacy of the recent Batflicks. A WF movie certainly wouldn't, and people wouldn't think of film as much as a BATMAN film, but a Superman film with Batman in it. Which would work in its favor. If the acting and writing for the character is awesome, there can be a sequel that will make quite a bit of money.

By establishing that Batman exists and has been fighting crime for a while, they DON'T have to do an origin story.

 

[Herolee10]

I guess the bigger question that i have is; is Superman still going to be presented as having been the first premiered hero on Earth within the DCU? Or is it going to be revealed much later that either Batman or someone else had taken up their respective callings and became crime fighters before superman did?

I still really hope that that they approach the DCU like Bruce Timm did with the DCAU when it comes to how they handled Batman and Superman together.

Superman was portrayed nowhere near the same level as Batman; everything that Superman did, Batman was somehow presented on doing better. Batman saved Superman many times, got a more developed romance with Lois Lane, had more respect from Amanda Waller than any hero on the JL roster, and was able to participate in events that saved the entire space time continuum.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ And that bugged me. It's was pretty much the watch Bruce upstage Clark episode

But I did like Batman's reveal. That's why I think it would be effective if the audience saw Batman with the same perspective as Clark, not knowing who the stranger is, until he focuses his x-ray vision on him

 

[Herolee10]

^ And that bugged me. It's was pretty much the watch Bruce upstage Clark episode

But I did like Batman's reveal. That's why I think it would be effective if the audience saw Batman with the same perspective as Clark, not knowing who the stranger is, until he focuses his x-ray vision on him

I think it would make for a good twist if Clark actually respected Batman's privacy by not using his X-ray vision to learn of Bruce's identity and that by the end of whatever film that they star in together for the first time, whether it be a WF or a Justice League film, that Bruce willingly tells Clark only his real identity as a sign of respect and trust between them.

It'd make for some good humor if Clark thinks about doing the same, only to learn that Bruce already knew his secret identity, saying that a pair of glasses and a different persona at work doesn't really make much of a difference to him.lol

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Then he'd have to control his powers quite a bit

But I'd like it if Clark knew and didn't tell Bruce that he knew, but Bruce figured this "secret out" and realizes just how trustworthy Superman is.

But I'd love it if it turned out that Batman found out who Superman was far earlier.
It'd be an interesting situation.

 

[InJustice]

^ Then he'd have to control his powers quite a bit

But I'd like it if Clark knew and didn't tell Bruce that he knew, but Bruce figured this "secret out" and realizes just how trustworthy Superman is.

But I'd love it if it turned out that Batman found out who Superman was far earlier.
It'd be an interesting situation.

And then the next thing you know...

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I hope WB reads this forum. I do want a World's Finest before I die, but after MOS2

 

[Herolee10]

And then the next thing you know...

 

[ChickenScratch]

I hope WB reads this forum. I do want a World's Finest before I die, but after MOS2

Lets put a date on it so the rest of us can see it.

 

[Andreth]

And then the next thing you know...

OTP!

 

[Herolee10]

OTP!

OTP?lol What does that stand for?haha

 

[Andreth]

OTP?lol What does that stand for?haha

Don't play games with me Herolee, you know what it is

I used to like Bruce/Lois while watching the cartoons

 

[Herolee10]

Don't play games with me Herolee, you know what it is

I used to like Bruce/Lois while watching the cartoons

lol; I do have to admit that given the way they portrayed Bruce Wayne in the DCU, it's hard not to like how they had them paired in the series; which is why I'd be against Bruce Timm or Paul Dini coming on board for the DCU since they'd probably break up Clark and Lois and have Lois in a relationship with Bruce while Superman is one with Diana.lol

 

[Andreth]

lol; I do have to admit that given the way they portrayed Bruce Wayne in the DCU, it's hard not to like how they had them paired in the series; which is why I'd be against Bruce Timm or Paul Dini coming on board for the DCU since they'd probably break up Clark and Lois and have Lois in a relationship with Bruce while Superman is one with Diana.lol

Really? Nah, I don't see that happening at all no need to worry

A manip:

World’s Finest: Man of Steel and The Dark Knight [x]

 

[Steamteck]

The Avengers and MOS are both awesome. We are lucky to be getting so many great superhero movies now.

well said. Furious applause!

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Lets put a date on it so the rest of us can see it.

Well, with MOS2 realistically entering a 2016 date (preferably, I'd do Wonder Woman in 2015, but I think WB's to paranoid for that right now.) I say World's Finest for late summer 2017. Unless Superman's actually on screen with Batman, they can shoot Batman's scenes earlier and separate, and have the Superman actor "catch up" when MOS2 is completed.

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, I think Warner Bros is more anxious to get a JL film off the ground, since they're probably thinking that a JL film would allow more heroes to be present while still having Batman and Superman there.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ But WF can establish a shared universe best. It would make it different from "the Marvel plan."

Sure, JLA can have a crazy amount of DC heroes, but it's riskier than WF, and unless there's someone amazing out there who can pull it off, I'd rather watch WF first.

Seeing this crossover done justice would make me confident for a Justice League movie, and can excite audiences more. I don't think a Justice League movie would BOMB, but it could get bad word of mouth and be bad for DC in the long run if its terrible.
All WF would do if it screws up is say that Superman/Batman don't work well together, not that they are bad characters.

 

[Herolee10]

^ But WF can establish a shared universe best. It would make it different from "the Marvel plan."

Sure, JLA can have a crazy amount of DC heroes, but it's riskier than WF, and unless there's someone amazing out there who can pull it off, I'd rather watch WF first.

Seeing this crossover done justice would make me confident for a Justice League movie, and can excite audiences more. I don't think a Justice League movie would BOMB, but it could get bad word of mouth and be bad for DC in the long run if its terrible.
All WF would do if it screws up is say that Superman/Batman don't work well together, not that they are bad characters.

True; though I wonder if a WF is the best way to reintroduce Batman.

The reason why I say that is because there needs to be a film, whether it be solo, WF, or JL that makes people and fans buy that whoever is playing Batman at that point IS Batman.

Otherwise, it's only in writing where we see Batman and Superman meeting. I think one of the reasons why the Avengers got people pumped is because fans and audiences got invested in the Marvel Trinity (Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America), thus the anticipating towards wanting to see those three characters meet for the first time and how they would interact with each other grew a lot.

It's one of the reasons why some people prefer to see Bale back again because he WAS/IS batman to several people for the last three films that came out for the character.

Henry seems to have sold himself well as being the new Superman for the general audience and fans alike for the most part, so if the guy that plays Batman next can do the same, then will a WF or JL (whichever is released first) live up to its potential when we finally see these two iconic characters meet.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Well, with MOS2 realistically entering a 2016 date (preferably, I'd do Wonder Woman in 2015, but I think WB's to paranoid for that right now.) I say World's Finest for late summer 2017. Unless Superman's actually on screen with Batman, they can shoot Batman's scenes earlier and separate, and have the Superman actor "catch up" when MOS2 is completed.

I'm more interested on seeing you make good on dieing after the movie comes out. lol

 

[PacificBoy]

World’s Finest: Man of Steel and The Dark Knight [x]

Gorgeous, but the DCU just gets darker and darker.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I'm more interested on seeing you make good on dieing after the movie comes out. lol

I'd only "die" if Avengers 2 tanked. :P