All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 92

[hopefuldreamer]

I should be excited that they are starting JL with World's Finest rather than just bowling straight in. It's what I have ALWAYS wanted them to do, and if I wasn't still feeling a bit numb from MOS i'd probably get sucked in by the lure of fangasm

But they just announced it by quoting the worst (IMO) Superman/Batman story ever told.

And when I think about that, and I think about the kinds of things Snyder loves and the kind of writing we get from Goyer... well, I can't help but be dubious.

Just like with MOS, I think there will be a tonne of focus on making the fight scenes look awesome and having some really 'cool' moments.

But I don't have any faith that they will truly capture the dynamics between Supes and Bats. And I worry about Batman taking the focus of Supes before he's even had a chance to really build in popularity.

 

[roach]

Can I buy my ticket now?

 

[Lencho01]

I should be excited that they are starting JL with World's Finest rather than just bowling straight in. It's what I have ALWAYS wanted them to do, and if I wasn't still feeling a bit numb from MOS i'd probably get sucked in by the lure of fangasm

But they just announced it by quoting the worst (IMO) Superman/Batman story ever told.

And when I think about that, and I think about the kinds of things Snyder loves and the kind of writing we get from Goyer... well, I can't help but be dubious.

Just like with MOS, I think there will be a tonne of focus on making the fight scenes look awesome and having some really 'cool' moments.

But I don't have any faith that they will truly capture the dynamics between Supes and Bats. And I worry about Batman taking the focus of Supes before he's even had a chance to really build in popularity.

I'm pretty much in "Whatever" mode after MOS. Based on that and how the Superman/Batman relationship is popularly shown, I'm not surprised they opened it with that quote. So, I'm prepared for Superman to look like some kind of idiot.

 

[Rock Sexton]

That doesn't make sense. If they were panicked, they wouldn't make any sequel. They've always been saying the future of the DCU depended on MOS's performance. It makes more sense that they always had this in their pocket.

Got to admit, I posted on here earlier that the WF happening before JL was the appropriate way to go (have said so for a long time) ..... but then I saw the official release that it's an MoS sequel with Batman in it. That's not the same thing as it being World's Finest.

It's not exactly an absurd idea to suggest that they're bringing Batman into the fold because the results of MoS (while good) were not what they had hoped. I mean this is awfully soon to enlist the aid of another iconic comic book character into a Superman sequel.

There's also the situation of the timeline and WB wanting to cash in on the DCU. Why do another MoS film without any crossovers, when you can "potentially" bring in a huge box office return in 2015 with Batman appearing then get another potentially huge one in JL in 2017?

It's a win-win for WB ..... but it is curious nonetheless. It's just too bad David Goyer is being entrusted with so much of what's being unspooled.

 

[tomoe]

I'm pretty much in "Whatever" mode after MOS. Based on that and how the Superman/Batman relationship is popularly shown, I'm not surprised they opened it with that quote. So, I'm prepared for Superman to look like some kind of idiot.

Yup...

 

[rashad]

Can I buy my ticket now?

Basically.

 

[GreenKToo]

Oh my gosh!! I just saw the news..its what I was hoping they would do but I wouldnt have dreamed it would happen in a million years.

 

[Casius--J]

Ok so this news really took me surprise. I'm on two sides on this though. Part of me is very excited to see a WF movie, I think it could be very cool and interesting to have that kind of film made.

HOWEVER.....the other side of me is thinking this is one movie too soon. We had Superman begins in the MOS and I was looking forward to them exploring that character a bit more and his new identities as Clark Kent reporter and as Superman.

I would have preferred them to do MOS2 first but who am I to complain. My butt will be in the cinema regardless

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Batman and Superman FINALLY teaming up in a live-action movie... t:

David Goyer and Zack Snyder writing it...

Nolan involved (what sounds like) in name only...

Mixed bag to be honest.

 

[Marvin]

I should be excited that they are starting JL with World's Finest rather than just bowling straight in. It's what I have ALWAYS wanted them to do, and if I wasn't still feeling a bit numb from MOS i'd probably get sucked in by the lure of fangasm

But they just announced it by quoting the worst (IMO) Superman/Batman story ever told.

And when I think about that, and I think about the kinds of things Snyder loves and the kind of writing we get from Goyer... well, I can't help but be dubious.

Just like with MOS, I think there will be a tonne of focus on making the fight scenes look awesome and having some really 'cool' moments.

But I don't have any faith that they will truly capture the dynamics between Supes and Bats. And I worry about Batman taking the focus of Supes before he's even had a chance to really build in popularity.

Could have called that one.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Ok so this news really took me surprise. I'm on two sides on this though. Part of me is very excited to see a WF movie, I think it could be very cool and interesting to have that kind of film made.

HOWEVER.....the other side of me is thinking this is one movie too soon. We had Superman begins in the MOS and I was looking forward to them exploring that character a bit more and his new identities as Clark Kent reporter and as Superman.

I would have preferred them to do MOS2 first but who am I to complain. My butt will be in the cinema regardless

It's not World's Finest though. It's the Superman sequel with Batman in it.

 

[Mikelus]

Yeah, they'll probably say that because it will probably be 100% true.

OMG, the original Superman was too dark, it can't be Superman!!

[YT]VoJ2Bd41zsw[/YT]

How many people Superman killed throwing Darkseid into those buildings! He doesn't care! Too much destruction! This is not Superman!!


Yeah right, the same critics that prefer SR.

Since is very easy to whine about anything, what about who do you think should be the writer and the director, I'm sure your "better options" could be criticize too, Nolan didn't get everything right either, no one is perfect. Snyder and Goyer are fine, just because a minority prefer campy Superman or the perfect boy scout version the general public finds boring, it doesn't mean WB has to change their approach to please them, specially with the success of MOS. If someone can get Superman/Batman right, is Goyer and Snyder, they know the source material very well, probably more than most posters around here, time will tell.

 

[BH/HHH]

I should be excited that they are starting JL with World's Finest rather than just bowling straight in. It's what I have ALWAYS wanted them to do, and if I wasn't still feeling a bit numb from MOS i'd probably get sucked in by the lure of fangasm

But they just announced it by quoting the worst (IMO) Superman/Batman story ever told.

And when I think about that, and I think about the kinds of things Snyder loves and the kind of writing we get from Goyer... well, I can't help but be dubious.

Just like with MOS, I think there will be a tonne of focus on making the fight scenes look awesome and having some really 'cool' moments.

But I don't have any faith that they will truly capture the dynamics between Supes and Bats. And I worry about Batman taking the focus of Supes before he's even had a chance to really build in popularity.

Thing to remember about the Dark Knight Returns us it's else worlds but its Los the most high profile meeting between the two so I think they just used the quote cause its so memorable.

 

[The Question]

OMG, the original Superman was too dark, it can't be Superman!!

[YT]VoJ2Bd41zsw[/YT]

How many people Superman killed throwing Darkseid into those buildings! He doesn't care! Too much destruction! This is not Superman!!


Yeah right, the same critics that prefer SR.

Since is very easy to whine about anything, what about who do you think should be the writer and the director, I'm sure your "better options" could be criticize too, Nolan didn't get everything right either, no one is perfect. Snyder and Goyer are fine, just because a minority prefer campy Superman or the perfect boy scout version the general public finds boring, it doesn't mean WB has to change their approach to please them, specially with the success of MOS. If someone can get Superman/Batman right, is Goyer and Snyder, they know the source material very well, probably more than most posters around here, time will tell.

"It's too dark" was far from the biggest or most common criticism hurled at Man of Steel of Zak Snyder's work in general, and very few people who criticized the film did it because they prefer campy Superman.

 

[LaserBees]

It's not exactly an absurd idea to suggest that they're bringing Batman into the fold because the results of MoS (while good) were not what they had hoped. I mean this is awfully soon to enlist the aid of another iconic comic book character into a Superman sequel.

Are you serious? MOS outdid WB's expectations. It's already made twice as much as Batman Begins and considerably more than Iron Man 1. It actually broke records with how well it did. It's done so well that they're fast-tracking their plans for Superman and the rest of the DC properties, and putting Snyder in charge of it all.

They're not putting Batman in the sequel to "enlist his aid", they're doing it because that's the creative decision they made for the future direction of the DC movies.

 

[The Question]

Are you serious? MOS outdid WB's expectations. It's already made twice as much as Batman Begins and considerably more than Iron Man 1. It actually broke records with how well it did. It's done so well that they're fast-tracking their plans for Superman and the rest of the DC properties, and putting Snyder in charge of all that.

They're not putting Batman in the sequel to "enlist his aid", they're doing it because that's the creative decision they made for the future direction of the DC movies.

By "creative" do you mean "saw that Marvel made bank on a team up movie and scrambled to get one of their own out the door as soon as possible?"

 

[Marvin]

"It's too dark" was far from the biggest or most common criticism hurled at Man of Steel of Zak Snyder's work in general, and very few people who criticized the film did it because they prefer campy Superman.

All the studio knows is that for the first time in a few decades, they've got the audience on this brands side. The brand is more viable than Spidey or Bond at this point(imo).

Critics and fans can say what they will and pontificate as to what needs to be done to make a better film(even though their scores would suggest the last film is better...).
The studio knows exactly who's to blame for this success. More please.

 

[Marvin]

Are you serious? MOS outdid WB's expectations. It's already made twice as much as Batman Begins and considerably more than Iron Man 1. It actually broke records with how well it did. It's done so well that they're fast-tracking their plans for Superman and the rest of the DC properties, and putting Snyder in charge of it all.

They're not putting Batman in the sequel to "enlist his aid", they're doing it because that's the creative decision they made for the future direction of the DC movies.

If WB was disappointed in any way shape or form, Snyder and Goyer would be the first to get the blame and the boot, yet here they are, seemingly given more power and the keys to the whole game...

 

[Herolee10]

To be honest, I am not happy about this folks. I really wanted to see MOS 2 and further establish Superman before he met Batman.

This really feels like a slap in the face because I just can't trust DC to portray Superman right whenever Batman is in the picture.

 

[TeeKay]

Batman and Superman FINALLY teaming up in a live-action movie... t:

David Goyer and Zack Snyder writing it...

Nolan involved (what sounds like) in name only...

Mixed bag to be honest.

That's exactly how I feel
who knows maybe Syder will deliever, but given his track record at screen writing (see Sucker Punch), May the lord have mercy on our soul

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

That's exactly how I feel
who knows maybe Syder will deliever, but given his track record at screen writing (see Sucker Punch), May the lord have mercy on our soul

He also wrote parts of 300, though that might not be particularly comforting.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

If WB was disappointed in any way shape or form, Snyder and Goyer would be the first to get the blame and the boot, yet here they are, seemingly given more power and the keys to the whole game...

Look wether you liked Steel or absolutely loathed it, you cannot deny that Snyder and co made Superman "cool" and it's brand in film profitable again. Yes, it received mixed reception from critics, but judging from it's 8.0 audience score on Metacritic, it's 77% user rated score on Rotten, and it's 7.7 score on IMDB, it looks like the general public favorably liked this film. Was it as accepted and loved by the public as Begins was ? No. But for the most part it was a decent platform for Superman to return to film with. And there is no denying the public was more receptive to this film than Returns
At the end of the day, Snyder and Goyer made WB 630 million in profit, which is still slowly growing and will continue to on DVD.
Of course they gave the keys to Snyder and Goyer.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

 

[TeeKay]

By "creative" do you mean "saw that Marvel made bank on a team up movie and scrambled to get one of their own out the door as soon as possible?"

Good point. After The Avengers broke box office records, WB was on suicide watch and finally decided to make a JL movie based on Marvel's success with The Avengers

I was hoping to see MOS 2 with Lex's campaign against Super Man because of the desruction of Metropolis. Basically, Lex uses Supes as a scapegoat, someone to blame for what happened in their city.

Now, it just seems to me Warners panicked over some of the reaction Man of Steel has gotten and have decided to bring out the big gun team up rather than a Man of Steel sequel. And they want to make more money (coz like it or not, this will break box office records and will hit a billion).

 

[Mad Love]

It's not World's Finest though. It's the Superman sequel with Batman in it.

Exactly. And there are so many variables.

We don't know the time gap that happens in the sequel. We don't know how Batman will be brought into the story. We don't know if they will work together or be pitted against each other.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ I hate the idea of a "true" vs. movie (where the climax is fighting Batman or some bull like that). I wouldn't mind if they were "set up" to be pitted against each other by some mastermind, but ended up becoming friends based on their knowledge and trust when they realize the true character that lies beneath the surface.

If Batman's the "Rhodes" of the MOS trilogy, it could still be a high quality set of films.
But if they give him about equal billing, then it could steal Superman's films away from him.