All Things Superman: An Open Discussion

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I've said it from the start that i'd like to see his strength level in MOS be somewhere around an aircraft carrier (100,000 tons).
If needed, they could always make him stronger in a sequel and explain the how and why.
 
I think it's okay if they de-power him a bit. I just don't want them to fall into the old pattern of making up new powers as they go along. Rebuilding-Great-Wall-of-China Vision... (shudder)

One way to “depower” Supes without actually depowering him… is to force him to obey the laws of physics. Thus, he wouldn’t be able to pick up, say, the Golden Gate Bridge by gripping it at one end. Or whisk someone away from an oncoming bullet at super speed (a common trick on Smallville). This puts limits on what Supes can do to save others (or forces writers to be more creative) but it doesn’t reduce his actual strength or speed levels.
 
One way to “depower” Supes without actually depowering him… is to force him to obey the laws of physics. Thus, he wouldn’t be able to pick up, say, the Golden Gate Bridge by gripping it at one end. Or whisk someone away from an oncoming bullet at super speed (a common trick on Smallville). This puts limits on what Supes can do to save others (or forces writers to be more creative) but it doesn’t reduce his actual strength or speed levels.

Fact!
 
I think the next superman movie vilain should be brainiac and not zod
let's leave zod to the 80's where he belongs, beside i challange any of you to find me this zod character before the 1980's.
because zod was'nt really part of the superman comic books world untill the 78' superman the movie.

superman comics has always been about new innovation for me and it should be that way in the movie franchise as well.

by example brainiac should bring about a new mechanical technologies never seen before
I know it's hard to imagine outside the spectrum of the terminators stuff
but it's possible if they look deep inside anything organics or vegetable etc...
and i know a superman movie with brainiac would be far more interesting and unfortunately more expensive.

lately i've been trying to imagining some type of new inimaginable mechanic made out of tiny spheres interacting with each others through mechanical devices inside of them because all the planets ,suns and other celestials body in the univers are mostly round

but i forgot maybe we've seen something like that in the latest trasformers movie
but don't forgot that the first transformer to have appear anywhere was in a 1970's superman comic book.
 
I think the next superman movie vilain should be brainiac and not zod
let's leave zod to the 80's where he belongs, beside i challange any of you to find me this zod character before the 1980's.
because zod was'nt really part of the superman comic books world untill the 78' superman the movie.

superman comics has always been about new innovation for me and it should be that way in the movie franchise as well.

by example brainiac should bring about a new mechanical technologies never seen before
I know it's hard to imagine outside the spectrum of the terminators stuff
but it's possible if they look deep inside anything organics or vegetable etc...
and i know a superman movie with brainiac would be far more interesting and unfortunately more expensive.

lately i've been trying to imagining some type of new inimaginable mechanic made out of tiny spheres interacting with each others through mechanical devices inside of them because all the planets ,suns and other celestials body in the univers are mostly round

but i forgot maybe we've seen something like that in the latest trasformers movie
but don't forgot that the first transformer to have appear anywhere was in a 1970's superman comic book.
Zod was created a whole 20 years before Superman 2. :doh: And he was used alot of those 20 years before the movie.
 
One way to “depower” Supes without actually depowering him… is to force him to obey the laws of physics. Thus, he wouldn’t be able to pick up, say, the Golden Gate Bridge by gripping it at one end. Or whisk someone away from an oncoming bullet at super speed (a common trick on Smallville). This puts limits on what Supes can do to save others (or forces writers to be more creative) but it doesn’t reduce his actual strength or speed levels.

Actually even abiding by the laws of physics Superman still isn't depowered. Explaining Superman scientifically help power him up to cosmic scales. His flight occurs either through manipulation of his electromagnetic field or graviton manipulation. If he can manipulate those within his own body, he can do it on other objects, making him able to literally move anything at any speed he wanted. I personally prefer the electromagnetic field manipulation as it explains why others can be "whisked away" as that electromagnetic field can be extended when he is put under extreme stress, but would extend anyway. Manipulation of his own electromagnetic field also explains how his suit never rips. Unless of course you eliminate my options with, he cannot extend the power beyond his own physical form.
 
Does anyone know the scientific explaination given to Superman's ability to fly?
 
yeah. Fantasy. Imagination. Dreams. Just like the rest of his powers.
 
Zod was created a whole 20 years before Superman 2. :doh: And he was used alot of those 20 years before the movie.

No, dude, that ain't so!

Looks like you get your facts from **************.com or watching too many Billy Zane movies has gotten you confused a bit.
Let me clear things up.
First, the pre-Superman: The Movie , Zod, was a very minor, seldom seen character who never spoke, and never had a face to face encounter with Superman. He was bald and had a bare face, and looked like Lex Luthor wearing a gray military jumpsuit with an officers hat.
He first appeared in Adventure Comics #283 (1961) as General Zod, who tried to conquer Krypton through an army of imperfect (Bizarro) duplicates of himself, and was cast into the Zone.
After that first appearance, he appeared here and there amongst others, whenever the phantom zone appeared, as a nameless character floating around for one panel or two, never uttering a single word. In fact, if it were not that he is drawn in the military uniform worn in the first appearance, you would not know it was Zod at all.

In 1977, Action Comics #472-473, Faora is introduced and for the first time ever, General Zod fights Superman. But keep in mind, this story appeared in print just as Superman: The Movie began filming...so we don't know if Donner copied Faora and Zod from this story or Bates (the Superman comics write) was inspired by the Superman: The Movie and Superman II screenplays, which he or others at DC may have been privy to.
So we don't know which came first. ( I believe Faora and Zod's appearance in her story was inspired the Superman movie screenplays, because the screenplays had to have already been written for filming to have begun and actors casted... If Bates did indeed inspire Donner, I am sure he would have said something, or at least Elliot S! Maggin would have known and spoken....anyone want to ask these gentlemen, please locate them and do so!)
After Superman: the Movie, General Zod made a few minor appearances and after Crisis, a variety of Zods were introduced over the years by various storytellers , who no doubt (Byrne's pocket universe being the exception) were inspired by Donner, but for reasons unknown to me, did not directly invoke the movie version.
After Infinite Crisis, Richard Donner (the man himself) and Geoff Johns introduced the Zod, Ursa, and Non into DC Universe proper (Action #844).
Since being introduced into the comics in 2006, Donner Zod has been in a ****load of comics, which many of you are probably familiar with, particularly the lengthy World of Krypton storyline.
So Zod, as "one of Superman's most formidable enemies" has only been since 2006, and that just happens to be Donner Zod.
Had it not been for the success of Superman II and the general non-fanboy recognition of Zod's name because of that movie, Snyder would not have picked Zod as his movie villain, because no one except probably Kurosawa and a few others would know who the **** Zod was.
So that settles it.

If anyone has evidence to the contrary, not what some wayward fanboy wrote on wikipedia or his blog, post the panels from the comics in which Zod appears. A one or two panel appearance by a "phantom" character who looks like Zod and does not utter a word does not count.
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Does anyone know the scientific explaination given to Superman's ability to fly?
same way you explain all his other powers....yellow sun plus kryptonian DNA equals super fun time. though, i suppose thats not too scientifically sound.
 
Superman is not Marvel, so a scientific basis for powers is not going to be as deeply intertwined into the mythos.
 
Actually even abiding by the laws of physics Superman still isn't depowered. Explaining Superman scientifically help power him up to cosmic scales. His flight occurs either through manipulation of his electromagnetic field or graviton manipulation. If he can manipulate those within his own body, he can do it on other objects, making him able to literally move anything at any speed he wanted. I personally prefer the electromagnetic field manipulation as it explains why others can be "whisked away" as that electromagnetic field can be extended when he is put under extreme stress, but would extend anyway. Manipulation of his own electromagnetic field also explains how his suit never rips. Unless of course you eliminate my options with, he cannot extend the power beyond his own physical form.

Yeah… I’ve heard about this (dubious) “energy field” that Supes is able to extend beyond his body. It’s my very strong impression, though, that this is a relatively recent invention… and it was dreamed up to retroactively explain all the impossible physics that he performed in the past. But if the discussion now is about how Supes might be depowered (and, simultaneously, made more “realistic”), just take away this “energy field” ability. Most folks, I’d wager, don’t even know Supes has this power. They just assumed sloppy, comic book science.

It’s a win-win. :cwink:
 
yeah. Fantasy. Imagination. Dreams. Just like the rest of his powers.

Does Superman fantasize, imagine or dream that he flies?

same way you explain all his other powers....yellow sun plus kryptonian DNA equals super fun time. though, i suppose thats not too scientifically sound.

It's a start. Better than nothing, but yes, the basic explanation has been there for a while now.

Superman is not Marvel, so a scientific basis for powers is not going to be as deeply intertwined into the mythos.

Since when does Marvel hold the monopoly of deep scientific explanation? As far as I know Nolan explained much more everything in Batman world than before so who knows. I remember Snyder saying this was going to be almost a documentary or so. Not that I believe for one second what a director says about a movie he's making but I think Nolan involvement might mean deepest explanations for basic aspect of the character.
 
This might sound minor, but IF they show his childhood, i'd like to see how they get away with enrolling him in school without having shot records for him, ie, mumps, measles, etc. They'll be forged i'm guessing.

Anywho, I moved around alot when I was younger, and I couldn't have enrolled in any school without those records.

It just seems to me that they would have had to trust someone with their secret. maybe a family doc thats a close friend?
 
Does Superman fantasize, imagine or dream that he flies?
No. Its a fantasy story and not a documentary. We dont need an explanation. Learn to have fun and stop asking for scientific reasons for things.

The best explanation is his alien physiology. Scientists on Earth dont understand it. Simple as that. Nothing else is needed.
 
Since when does Marvel hold the monopoly of deep scientific explanation? As far as I know Nolan explained much more everything in Batman world than before so who knows. I remember Snyder saying this was going to be almost a documentary or so. Not that I believe for one second what a director says about a movie he's making but I think Nolan involvement might mean deepest explanations for basic aspect of the character.
Snyder said that his powers were going to work under the laws of physics and not find explanation for his powers. Those are completely different things. You completely misunderstood what he said.
 
It's very much in the same vain. If Snyder cares enough to ensure the laws of physics apply then that absolutely necessitates placing thought into the mechanics of his abilities. How far he goes is to be determined, but it sure as hell does not hurt to at least try and rationalize it.

Regardless of our lack of understanding or the pure nature of its unbelievability, involving science in a logical (or believable) manner gives these abilities more weight as existing properties in this universe. You're correct, it's not needed -- but if you can pull it off, it's only to your advantage.
 
No. Its a fantasy story and not a documentary. We dont need an explanation. Learn to have fun and stop asking for scientific reasons for things.

The best explanation is his alien physiology. Scientists on Earth dont understand it. Simple as that. Nothing else is needed.

Snyder disagrees as he has mentioned that by comparison hisSuuperman will be "a documentary."

We didn't need to know in full detail where Batman got his gadgets or why his cape can get rigid but they explained it and it worked. So both Nolan and Snyder are for the "realistic" approach.

Snyder said that his powers were going to work under the laws of physics and not find explanation for his powers. Those are completely different things. You completely misunderstood what he said.

You completely misunderstand that the fact of not mentioning an explanation in the movie doesn't rule it out.

Fantasy doesn't mean there's no explanations about things.
 
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