All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - Part 70

[craigdbfan]

I think something important to notice is what major theme is this first movie posing? One of the big ones is of parents, fathers, and whether or not we let programmed genetics or nurture determine our fate. Expect this to pop up again in later sequels. This specifically makes me think that Kon-El (the origin where he is made with both Kal-El and Luthors DNA) will appear in one of the sequels (most likely the third if I had to guess) to bring things "full circle".

This is assuming the Nolan bros and Goyer are still working on this series until the very end.

i think bizzaro would work best as a tragic figure then an outright adversary. he should appear to be the main villian .but his story should be of an unwilling monster looking for redemption. redemption should mean sacrificial death.

I think it could work well too. I've actually proposed the idea of mixing elements of Bizzaro with Kon-El.

 

[BH/HHH]

A Brainiac and Lex combination is what I want for a potential sequel.

 

[BH/HHH]

I think something important to notice is what major theme is this first movie posing? One of the big ones is of parents, fathers, and whether or not we let programmed genetics or nurture determine our fate. Expect this to pop up again in later sequels. This specifically makes me think that Kon-El (the origin where he is made with both Kal-El and Luthors DNA) will appear in one of the sequels (most likely the third if I had to guess) to bring things "full circle".

This is assuming the Nolan bros and Goyer are still working on this series until the very end.

I'd agree if they weren't going for a shared universe. If they were to do MOS as a trilogy in the way the Dark Knight trilogy was done. Then an ending similar to All Star Superman with maybe Cadmus or something working on a Project Superman type scenario to show there's hope for the future (maybe even a reveal of Superboy as we all know All Star ended with them replicating Superman's DNA). I think that'd be the perfect ending to a trilogy but with them wanting to make a DCU on film with JL and all that I don't see that happening.

 

[craigdbfan]

I'd agree if they weren't going for a shared universe. If they were to do MOS as a trilogy in the way the Dark Knight trilogy was done. Then an ending similar to All Star Superman with maybe Cadmus or something working on a Project Superman type scenario to show there's hope for the future (maybe even a reveal of Superboy as we all know All Star ended with them replicating Superman's DNA). I think that'd be the perfect ending to a trilogy but with them wanting to make a DCU on film with JL and all that I don't see that happening.

Reason being why I hope we don't get a JL movie or any haphazard shared universe idea.

I hope if MOS performs well then they just concentrate on making an amazing trilogy. I'm hoping with all my might.

 

[AnneFan]

Looking back at the periods where we would have NOTHING NEW for the longest while, only to get something new finally, I think this gif pretty much sums up that experience:

I know a lot of fans don't think much of Doomsday as a villain, but I've always liked him. Superman already has a couple of foes who are more cerebral (Lex, and Brainiac) so Doomsday balances that by being a huge physical force which even Superman - one of the strongest heroes there is - struggles to contend with.

I'm not sure though if Doomsday could be a lead villain in a MOS sequel. If the character is written like in the comics (seemingly devoid of intelligence and any ability to communicate effectively, working on instinct alone) then there wouldn't really be any story arc : the film would just be one massive fight. It would be a great spectacle, but could end up becoming tiresome also. However, NextNolan22 hit the nail on the head - use him as a weapon and you have a much more challenging storyline which can incorporate 2 villains.

Who would be using him as the weapon? That's the question. In the comics, there was a storyline where the Cyborg Superman used his technology to give him some control over Doomsday. This could be modified slightly for the films, and have Cyborg be replaced by Brainiac. A Brainiac who travels from world to world consuming its resources (and using it's ultimate weapon, Doomsday, to deal with any resistance) would present both a very cerebral and physical challenge overall.

Good scenario. I would like to see him in a movie, handled correctly so he's somewhat appealing. The rogue Superman in Injustice Gods Among Us uses Doomsday as a weapon too. A wrecking ball let off the chain, kind of like how The Hulk does his own thing. It's the way to present a mindless character without it being too one note. All out rampage with a string puller letting it happen in the first place.

I like the concept of this all powerful anti-Superman creature that pretty much has the odds all in his favour even before the fight has started. It's one way to make the action even crazier than ever, but as a calculated strike.

 

[Herolee10]

You know, I just realized that we have really yet to see a "Night" shot in this film.lol

 

[BH/HHH]

Reason being why I hope we don't get a JL movie or any haphazard shared universe idea.

I hope if MOS performs well then they just concentrate on making an amazing trilogy. I'm hoping with all my might.

I'm open to JL (would rather WFs) but I'd rather get at least one MOS sequel first but it would be great to have a trilogy that stands on its own like TDK trilogy.

 

[Lencho01]

I think something important to notice is what major theme is this first movie posing? One of the big ones is of parents, fathers, and whether or not we let programmed genetics or nurture determine our fate. Expect this to pop up again in later sequels. This specifically makes me think that Kon-El (the origin where he is made with both Kal-El and Luthors DNA) will appear in one of the sequels (most likely the third if I had to guess) to bring things "full circle".

This is assuming the Nolan bros and Goyer are still working on this series until the very end.

I think it could work well too. I've actually proposed the idea of mixing elements of Bizzaro with Kon-El.

If they care about some "full circle" thing like they did with their Batman films and go that route with Superboy, I hope they do it like the Young Justice toon.

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[terry78]

You know, I just realized that we have really yet to see a "Night" shot in this film.lol

It could be some kind of symbolic thing, if they intended that.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

From Hitfix.com ... 10 things we'd love to see onscreen from Superman comics.

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captur...love-to-see-onscreen-from-the-superman-comics

Interesting comments from McWeeny ...

Wouldn't touch Superman when it was damaged goods but now they want in because of how good this film reportedly is? Yeah.. piss off.

 

[Smallville13]

Army of Bizarros and an Anti-Superman Squad-all under the control of Lex Luthor.No need for Alien Invasion to match the Action scale of MOS 1.
Yes I want action Smallville and I am not reatrded because of that,

Totally. C'mon I'm proposing Superman against an army of Kryptonite-fueled robot mechs developed by Luthor. Bizarros and Anti-Superman army are very sorta out there in terms of trying to fit them into this very 'real-world' Snyder's created.

I hope that with Avengers 2 and JL we see them perhaps go to alien planets or something for the action. The city fights are getting tired.

 

[robot]

Totally. C'mon I'm proposing Superman against an army of Kryptonite-fueled robot mechs developed by Luthor. Bizarros and Anti-Superman army are very sorta out there in terms of trying to fit them into this very 'real-world' Snyder's created.

I hope that with Avengers 2 and JL we see them perhaps go to alien planets or something for the action. The city fights are getting tired.

Still not epic enough.. cause you have an army of 'bad guys' but only superman / or a few superheroes to fight them.. need armies on both sides... have a galactic battle (like in star wars), the Justice League are basically the generals in a greater war in the galaxy... sort of like Jedis...

Also, I say get rid of Kryptonite altogether... it's no fun seeing people bashing up superman when he's weakened... let's see more of superman vs 1000s of villians who are weaker than him or a few that are almost just as strong...

 

[TDK010]

Came across a short video by Mark Kermode giving his thoughts on the upcoming Man Of Steel movie. Worth a watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHjkNBUJI4k

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Came across a short video by Mark Kermode giving his thoughts on the upcoming Man Of Steel movie. Worth a watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHjkNBUJI4k

Love that dude. Look forward to his reviews every Friday.

 

[gkokujin]

No Bizarro please for the sequals. Am I the only one who is not a fan of Bizarro?

I want to see Brainiac the most.

i love Bizarro, but I wouldn't want him in the 2nd sequel. I'd rather save him for later. I'd rather see Braniac or Metallo

 

[Great Mind(s)]

Lex, if they want to mirror some of TDKT. Build him up in MOS like Joker in BB. Just don't kill him off, keep him around for sequels. Lex is different enough from Zod that it would be a completely different movie, they like going for variety.

 

[TDK010]

Love that dude. Look forward to this reviews every Friday.

Likewise. He know's what he's talking about and I tend to agree with his views, most of the time.

An interesting watch that video in light of yesterday's set visit reports. Specifically when it's mentioned
that in Man Of Steel, they've taken into consideration how much a weapon would hurt a Kryptonian,
comparatively with a human, for example. And certain other limitations that Superman has, one
specifically to do with flying. It appears that what Kermode has mentioned about weakening Superman
or at least establishing rules around super powers, appears to be exactly what they've done with this movie.

 

[Smallville13]

Came across a short video by Mark Kermode giving his thoughts on the upcoming Man Of Steel movie. Worth a watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHjkNBUJI4k

He seems alright, but I disagree with his thesis. Making Superman weaker isn't the key to anything. As long as Superman is likable, as is Lois, and his threats are detestable we're all good.

Still not epic enough.. cause you have an army of 'bad guys' but only superman / or a few superheroes to fight them.. need armies on both sides... have a galactic battle (like in star wars), the Justice League are basically the generals in a greater war in the galaxy... sort of like Jedis...

Also, I say get rid of Kryptonite altogether... it's no fun seeing people bashing up superman when he's weakened... let's see more of superman vs 1000s of villians who are weaker than him or a few that are almost just as strong...

Kryptonite has been semi-confirmed. It won't show up in MOS, but wasn't there newspaper clippings from the set that showed meteroite landings, so it's there for them to pick up later.

For JL I'm saying they should wage war but have it in space or on another planet, something new and visually interesting, instead of the big city fight finale.

 

[Herolee10]

Likewise. He know's what he's talking about and I tend to agree with his views, most of the time.

An interesting watch that video in light of yesterday's set visit reports. Specifically when it's mentioned
that in Man Of Steel, they've taken into consideration how much a weapon would hurt a Kryptonian,
comparatively with a human, for example. And certain other limitations that Superman has, one
specifically to do with flying. It appears that what Kermode has mentioned about weakening Superman
or at least establishing rules around super powers, appears to be exactly what they've done with this movie.

Indeed. I think it was even said by Snyder that his superman won't be able to lift up growing continents like Singer's one could, but in the same time, it doesn't seem like his superman will be weakened to the point where he's like the animated Superman, who could be phased by gunshots and such.

Yeah, finding the right balance on how to present superman's powers is tricky imho. Personally, I wouldn't give the guy the abilities that the CR films gave him, nor would I have him so strong to the point where he could lift up an island (or move an planet in Smallville's case).

But I wouldn't want him too weak either where it looks like he could be seriously harmed if an large group of criminals surrounded him with tank guns.

 

[J.Howlett]

Reason being why I hope we don't get a JL movie or any haphazard shared universe idea.

I hope if MOS performs well then they just concentrate on making an amazing trilogy. I'm hoping with all my might.

You and me both....

 

[SuperAl]

i just hope we get one MOS sequel and maybe a flash movie before they jump into a JL movie. I think they need to build up some of these other characters first. Maybe even have smaller teamup films before. Like Worlds finest or something.

 

[Herolee10]

You and me both....

Unless they've been secretly devising some grand master plan behind the scenes for an year already, I think they pretty much have no choice but to move forward with a sequel to MOS, should the film be successful.

 

[GreenKToo]

Wouldn't touch Superman when it was damaged goods but now they want in because of how good this film reportedly is? Yeah.. piss off.

Yeah I know. I expect to hear alot of folks claiming how they have always been superman fans, etc etc blah blah, after MoS hits.

 

[robot]

He seems alright, but I disagree with his thesis. Making Superman weaker isn't the key to anything. As long as Superman is likable, as is Lois, and his threats are detestable we're all good.



Kryptonite has been semi-confirmed. It won't show up in MOS, but wasn't there newspaper clippings from the set that showed meteroite landings, so it's there for them to pick up later.

For JL I'm saying they should wage war but have it in space or on another planet, something new and visually interesting, instead of the big city fight finale.

Yes, I know Kryptonite will exist.. but I am hoping they won't use it... to me, that's a cop-out.. too easy a solution, and too boring... seen it used too many times, each time, unexciting... shove a kryptonite into supe's face, and he's weaker than a baby... Just like an unlimited power superman would be uninteresting, a force that can kill him right off is also un-imaginative / uninteresting...

And totally agreed on the battle ground.. in space, and other planets... you can have much better visuals.. i always loved space visuals, and other planets.. they can invent so many different types of planets, aliens, etc..

I would like there to be a Superman / JL whatever taking taking on the bigger stage of the entire Galaxy, like a Galactic war (eg: Star Wars)...

You can start with a Trilogy, sort of like LOTR where the battles builds up larger and larger until the final movie... That is what I consider EPIC in it's truest sense... (and NO Kriptonite, IMO)

 

[robot]

Yeah I know. I expect to hear alot of folks claiming how they have always been superman fans, etc etc blah blah, after MoS hits.

People can change their minds, I suppose, based on how good a movie is...

I know a lot of people weren't that big of a Batman fan, until The Dark Knight... and that makes sense...