All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - Part 1

[Mad Love]

Why not? There's not a big difference between writing comic books and movies, in both the writers write a script for someone to follow and "bring to life" (in movies, the director, in comics, the one who draw and paint the books).

There's a huge difference. Look how Frank Miller turned out as a filmmaker. If it was so similar, you'd see more crossovers.

Gail isn't that great of a writer. She's very hit-and-miss with comics. So if they're going to get a comic writer, someone like Greg Rucka would be ahead of her. But they would only be used for story consulting. Crafting a movie has its own skills.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Seeing as how many of the most popular and profitable super hero movies were NOT written by comic book writers I fail to see an issue here in the slightest.

 

[GL's Light]

Warner used to give a lot of freedom to their writers//directors, however with the whole connected universe thing, I'm not really sure, which is actually a shame, the one thing I hate they tool from Marvel (at least I think they did we don't know yet, an Zack did claimed they still gives them creative freedom).

Warners typically gives directors a lot of freedom and part of that creative freedom is to get the story they want on screen. Screenwriters aren't afforded the same freedom on big movies. Never have been. It's the director's show, with support and (hopefully) helpful guidance and assistance from the producers. The director guides the screenwriting, including rewrites (credited and uncredited) to punch things up where necessary.

 

[dony2012]

There's a huge difference. Look how Frank Miller turned out as a filmmaker. If it was so similar, you'd see more crossovers.

Gail isn't that great of a writer. She's very hit-and-miss with comics. So if they're going to get a comic writer, someone like Greg Rucka would be ahead of her. But they would only be used for story consulting. Crafting a movie has its own skills.

1. Huh?! Frank Miller is a crappy director, it has nothing to do with his writing, although he also became a crappy writer, in both THE comics and the movies, while Gail only needs to write a script, like she does for her comic books.

2. Agree to disagree, I think she's an amazing writer, one of the best in the comic book industry.

 

[Willi Berg]

Warners typically gives directors a lot of freedom and part of that creative freedom is to get the story they want on screen. Screenwriters aren't afforded the same freedom on big movies. Never have been. It's the director's show, with support and (hopefully) helpful guidance and assistance from the producers. The director guides the screenwriting, including rewrites (credited and uncredited) to punch things up where necessary.

Which is why I hope Patty Jenkins really adds something great here.

 

[Mad Love]

1. Huh?! Frank Miller is a crappy director, it has nothing to do with his writing, although he became a crappy writer in both THE comics and movies, while Gail only needs to write a script, like she does for comic books.

2. Agree to disagree, I think she's an amazing writer, one of the best in the comic book industry.

That's what happens when you expect comic creators to automatically do well in movies. When did Frank Miller become a crappy writer in the comics? Last I checked Frank Miller has way more acclaim and successful comics than Gail Simone. In fact, what award winning comics does Gail Simone have? Truth is Simone is mostly known for her politics rather than her writing. Simone may understand the character but she's not a great writer and her skills wouldn't translate to writing movie scripts and screenplays.

 

[dony2012]

That's what happens when you expect comic creators to automatically do well in movies. When did Frank Miller become a crappy writer in the comics? Last I checked Frank Miller has way more acclaim and successful comics than Gail Simone. In fact, what award winning comics does Gail Simone have? Truth is Simone is mostly known for her politics rather than her writing. Simone may understand the character but she's not a great writer and her skills wouldn't translate to writing movie scripts and screenplays.

Huh?! I fail to see your comparison.

And yeah, good writers can become crappy writers, just look at Mark Millar, and... Frank Miller.

And Simone has the Secret Six, Birds of Prey, her Batgirl run, and so on and so on.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I trust a big and successful movie studio to make decisions on who should write their films. WB has a brain trust in place and it seems the brain trust hasn't said Simone is writing full screenplays for them.

 

[Mad Love]

Huh?! I fail to see your comparison.

And yeah, good writers can become crappy writers, just look at Mark Millar, and... Frank Miller.

And Simone has the Secret Six, Birds of Prey, her Batgirl run, and so on and so on.

So there isn't much to convince that Simone would be a good script/screenplay writer. None of Simone's work has garnered awards. Many comic writers have decent/good runs. That doesn't mean they're equipped to write for movies.

 

[KillerWolf]

From what I saw of Pan it doesn't seem very well written (another prophecy of "The One" who will come and save everyone?! Seriously?! Make it feel like another Alice in Wonderland, not a good sign) so yeah, I don't have much confidence with him writing it.

It could very well be the direction studio insisted for this film to take. And it really looks like that to me.
Only problem with him I have is that he didn't have his moment to shine yet and I don't know if he has it in him to make a really good script or not. As of now, he's neither a good nor a bad choice to me. My concerns are regarding the fact that he is something of an underdog.

 

[Loki882]

Why not? There's not a big difference between writing comic books and movies, in both the writers write a script for someone to follow and "bring to life" (in movies, the director, in comics, the one who draw and paint the books).

No, there IS a big difference between writing comics and writing a film script. Because film and comics are different medium with different parameters/limitations.

 

[KillerWolf]

No, there IS a big difference between writing comics and writing a film script. Because film and comics are different medium with different parameters/limitations.

I concur. Writing a script for a film is a world of difference from any other form of fictional writing. Sometimes it is better to just have comic book writers as consultants and leave the actual work to the professional screenwriters. Granted, there are those that are proficient in both forms.

 

[Snow Queen]

That's what happens when you expect comic creators to automatically do well in movies. When did Frank Miller become a crappy writer in the comics? Last I checked Frank Miller has way more acclaim and successful comics than Gail Simone. In fact, what award winning comics does Gail Simone have? Truth is Simone is mostly known for her politics rather than her writing. Simone may understand the character but she's not a great writer and her skills wouldn't translate to writing movie scripts and screenplays.

Around the point he tried to write Batman and Catwoman taking on racist depictions of Muslims and Batman forcing Dick Grayson to eat rats.

 

[Loki882]

Frank Miller's "decline" happened around the time of Sin City I think. I actually like most of Sin City, and the writing/art style works fine with those kinds of stories. The problem is that Miller then decided that ALL of his work should have said writing style, and he started "experimenting" with his art style (yikes). Plus, from what I hear, 9/11 really messed him up mentally/emotionally (hence crap like Holy Terror).

 

[Mad Ones]

Didn't Simone write or do a treatment for the Wonder Woman animated movie? Honestly, I really want that exact movie, just juiced up for the big screen.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Didn't Simone write or do a treatment for the Wonder Woman animated movie? Honestly, I really want that exact movie, just juiced up for the big screen.

I really liked the animated film, but the last action fight was bit silly to me. I did like the Trevor/Diana dynamic. The opening sequence for the film was great tho.

 

[Mad Ones]

Yeah, the last act should be reworked if it was brought to the big screen.

 

[Jonwo]

It's very rare for a writer in any medium to adapt a book or comic they've written, even JK Rowling didn't adapt any of the Harry Potter films but rather let screenwriters adapt the material for the screen. Fantastic Beasts is the exception but that's essentially an original story as the book it's based on is a fictional textbook.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

authors of books/comics aren't screenwriters

writing a movie is very different then writing a book, it's a very different format

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I really liked the animated film, but the last action fight was bit silly to me. I did like the Trevor/Diana dynamic. The opening sequence for the film was great tho.

What about the finale in the DTV did you have a problem with Sam? It's the huge epic way the DTV concludes that is a big reason why I like it so much. Amazon army (Navy and Air Force with them on Pegasus) battling monsters on the streets and in the skies of Washington D.C.? Classic comic book stuff, and WW facing off against Ares and an army of the dead? I loved that. True, like all the DTVs it's a little rushed, but I accepted long ago that even the best WB/DCU DTVs are going to be hamstrung by time.

 

[Dave McFly]

I re watched the animated movie from a few years ago, still one of my fave interpretations of Diana/WW to date, plus the cast was fantastic in it (especially Kerri as Diana, and Nathan as Steve).

 

[Mad Love]

Serena Williams, US Womens Soccer, Ronda Rousey. The world is ready.

 

[queendarkness12]

I wonder, reading about all these "tests" at Warner Bros. and MacLaren's version not passing the "test" and having 5 writers, that they are trying to focus more on WW being more relatable with modern audiences, including girls and women. And thus they must feel that somehow the first movie shouldn't be this huge action/ancient epic but more about WW's character and her journey to the Man's World and the more "real world" issues she confronts there?

Who knows, though I agree that sequels can give a chance to explore that more ancient world once the first movie establishes WW, we can see the backgrounds of the Amazons, the villains, the gods etc.

 

[Vonter-Voman]

Do you think they will make Trevor like the animated film? I mean, cocky like Hal.
Not that it really means something, but I can't take that out of my mind after seeing Pine as Kirk.

I wouldn't mind a little bit of that, but I hope they don't go too far with it.

 

[Mad Love]

I don't think so. Most of Chris Pine's roles aren't like Kirk, and most versions of Trevor isn't like the animated film. I think the animated movie wanted to play up the battle of the sexes.

Since Hal will probably exist in the DCEU, they'll want to make Trevor different from him.