All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - Part 11

[TheComicbookKid]

Dr. Cyber being one of the villains is a bit of a weird choice in this setting, as there's no sign, as yet, of any sort of sci-fi technology that you'd think Cyber would need to be a threat.

Actually, in general, we've just seen Wonder Woman fighting ordinary soldiers. Presumably there's more to it, of course.

Maybe they are using advanced weapons. That would explain why she's having to block their bullets with her shield instead of just using her bracelets, and struggling.

 

[Sleiek]

Chris Pine's reaction at the end is priceless.


And I was not particularly a big fan of Wonder Woman and I was not totally hyped for this movie compared to other superhero films... but that trailer changed my mind. It was not what I expected and it looks like it is going to be a blast.

 

[Dr.]

I think they are going with a combination of Classic Clay origin and Brian Azzarello's New 52 Origin, where she is Zeus's daughter.

That is, she was created from clay but Zeus brought it to life, which is what I wanted to see, but I could be wrong, in the movie Queen Hippolyta may have lied to her about her birth and she could indeed be Zeus's daughter.

Or maybe - unbeknownst to her - Darth Vader's Ares' daughter.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

I think it's safe to say that Wonder Woman stole the show at CC

The trailer is amazing! Star Wars Episode 8 just moved down to my #2 most anticipated film of 2017

 

[seridrl]

Chris Pine is taller and lankier than I thought...

I wonder how tall he is, I'm pretty sure Gal and Connie are both 5ft10ish, and Connie appear to be wearing heels and he's noticeably taller.

 

[Bwahaha!]

Yes, but then ignoring anyone who points out that such color changes are quite common from trailer to trailer (for movies across genres with or without connections to other movies) coupled with their constant negativity in other threads about anything having to do with the universe tends to make them seem negative.

No one is saying they have to like anything, or they have to even be positive but this is a pattern with this specific poster. They wait until something happens people are happy about, they randomly show up to rain on the parade (and then get defensive when called out for it) then disappear. I mean JMC can do that if it makes him/her feel better, none of us are saying otherwise, but we have just as much right to call JMC out for this as JMC does to come in here and be a wet blanket...

Look at how JMC reacted to Killerwolf suggesting a different explanation to why the colors changed...all of a sudden they were implying he/she was "an idiot" and took at as some sort of besmirching. Now maybe he/she is having a bad day, maybe someone in another thread attacked him/her and set him/her off but that is a bit of an overreaction to a couple of pretty innocuous posts.

Please pardon me for arguing with you flickchick I am not trying to cause anything, just saying that some of us have seen this act before. I mean no disrespect to you or your opinions (or JMC's for that matter, he/she can hate or love anything that is their right) just giving my $.02 that isnt worth that much with inflation

On another topic...watched the trailer again and it is still awesome

Yes, exactly. I have never understood why some individuals choose to spend their time spewing negativity about a movie they hate. I can see one negative post, but to go on and on for years with this pattern? It seems like a ploy for attention. Me? I'd rather hang out and talk about what I love.

 

[nite-owl]

I wonder how tall he is, I'm pretty sure Gal and Connie are both 5ft10ish, and Connie appear to be wearing heels and he's noticeably taller.

According to imdb Pine is six foot.

 

[Bwahaha!]

From the trailer -

Trevor: "What about your father ?"

Diana: "I have no father, I was brought to life by Zeus."

I think they are going with a combination of Classic Clay origin and Brian Azzarello's New 52 Origin, where she is Zeus's daughter.

That is, she was created from clay but Zeus brought it to life, which is what I wanted to see, but I could be wrong, in the movie Queen Hippolyta may have lied to her about her birth and she could indeed be Zeus's daughter.

If they go with Zeus as her biological dad, as has been stated by insiders, I wish Hippolyta would've lied to her in a different way, and said a group of goddesses brought her to life, not Zeus. But I'm probably nitpicking.

 

[Abudefduf]

If they go with Zeus as her biological dad, as has been stated by insiders, I wish Hippolyta would've lied to her in a different way, and said a group of goddesses brought her to life, not Zeus. But I'm probably nitpicking.

I actually agree with this, and that's why I assumed the New 52 origin was out of the question. What's the point of telling Diana only half of a lie, it doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

So that there is truth in the lie. He is responsible for her being alive but not in the way Diana thinks. Wonder Woman is a demigoddess her father is a god whether Zeus or Hades or whomever.

 

[CaptainCanada]

WW1 was the birth of modern mechanized warfare so they could have some cutting edge world war 1 era weapons or retro futuristic type stuff.

That's what I meant by sci-fi, a la the Buck Rogers-type stuff in Captain America: The First Avenger. But there isn't any sign of that sort of thing. We've seen pieces of several action scenes at this point, including the Amazons fighting Germans, which seems like it'd be part of the climax, and there's nothing more advanced than ordinary World War I weaponry on display.

So that there is truth in the lie.

"From a certain point of view."

 

[Abudefduf]

So that there is truth in the lie. He is responsible for her being alive but not in the way Diana thinks. Wonder Woman is a demigoddess her father is a god whether Zeus or Hades or whomever.

Ok but Diana would have to be really dumb to not be able to put the pieces together.
"Oh yeah mom, the everhorny ruler of the Olympus totally made me out of 'clay' as a gift for you. Next you'll be telling me that I have a sister who's actually a clone made with a magic mirror!"

I dunno, maybe I'm just overthinking this but it really doesn't make any sense to even mention him in the first place.

 

[Loki882]

You assuming that she'd automatically jump to that conclusion. But we don't know that. She's been described as more naïve and idealistic in this film. And maybe she just doesn't know the full-extend of Zeus's philandering, or she never considered that her mother would "succumb to temptation" and sleep with him, or any number of other possibilities?

Also Charles Roven flat-out called her a "demigoddess and the daughter of Zeus" months ago. Now perhaps those plans changed somewhere along the way, but we have no way of knowing for sure if they have or not right now.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Ok but Diana would have to be really dumb to not be able to put the pieces together.
"Oh yeah mom, the everhorny ruler of the Olympus totally made me out of 'clay' as a gift for you. Next you'll be telling me that I have a sister who's actually a clone made with a magic mirror!"

I dunno, maybe I'm just overthinking this but it really doesn't make any sense to even mention him in the first place.

Kids believe what their parents tell them. By the time she was an adult, it would be such an assumed part of her background that she'd never think to question it.

One aspect of this film that interests me is how it ends, at least in respect of the First World War portions, because it seems like Batman v. Superman locks this into a downer storyline. Diana in the present day claims that "a hundred years ago, I walked away from mankind; from a century of horrors. Men made a world where standing together is impossible." So it seems like she's going to end up pretty disillusioned, perhaps even isolated from everybody else (it doesn't sound like she and Steve walked off into the sunset or anything). It would be like if Captain America: The First Avenger ended with Steve abandoning his ideals and declaring "America can suck my dick!"

 

[Wanda Detroit]

If Charles Roven said that a few months ago, the movie was completed in May. It is a done deal. And like I said before, Gal just called her a demigoddess at her film panel. I think her mother didn't want her to know that she had laid with a man, and even perhaps loved him. Maybe Zeus betrayed her, he is supposed to be married with a lot of kids. It could be one of the reasons she doesn't trust men.

 

[Abudefduf]

And maybe she just doesn't know the full-extend of Zeus's philandering

Uh, it's Wonder Woman. She's "as beautiful as Aphrodite". Of course a mother would want to warn her against someone like Zeus. Not even her being his offspring is gonna stop him, he's just that awful. Yeah I know it's disgusting but so is the character of Zeus.

No but seriously, you made some good points there. We still know very little about this movie and as I already said I'm probably just overthinking it. It's way too early to discuss this topic.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I hope they don't use Azz's origin in any way shape or form. Just leave it at Zeus brought me to life.

They can still keep the idea that Zeus favored her by breathing life into her and that's why the First Born or any of the other Gods hate her.

Just leave the idea that the Amazons are liars who betrayed her out of it. It's the lamest soap opera manufactured trope. Might as well say Hippolyta had a twin sister and that's Diana real mother.

JUST SAY NO TO AZZARELLO!!!!

 

[Loki882]

The idea originally was that the lie was meant to try and protect her. Which you can argue is still wrong, but it is understandable.

They're allowed to make mistakes and be flawed (Hippolyta perhaps having an ill-advised affair with Zeus, or Ares, or Hades, or whomever could also count as that) as long as it makes sense in-context and there's good elements to balance it out, imo anyway.

 

[STARMAN]

WW keeps climbing up my must see list for next year.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

The idea originally was that the lie was meant to try and protect her. Which you can argue is still wrong, but it is understandable.

They're allowed to make mistakes and be flawed (Hippolyta perhaps having an ill-advised affair with Zeus, or Ares, or Hades, or whomever could also count as that) as long as it makes sense in-context and there's good elements to balance it out, imo anyway.

Yeah, I agree. Paradise doesn't mean free of problems. I'd rather the problems come from the actions she takes to stand up for those ideals. Like apparently exposing an army to her homeland and getting her family killed.


But a family willing to lie to a child and make fun of her for being clay(when they know she isn't).

The Amazons are supposed to be her Jonathan/Martha and everytime the comics forget that we end up with Azzarello's Amazons or Amazon's attack.

Look what happened with MOS attempt to make the Kent's edgy. Just don't.

 

[Guts]

From the trailer -

Trevor: "What about your father ?"

Diana: "I have no father, I was brought to life by Zeus."

I think they are going with a combination of Classic Clay origin and Brian Azzarello's New 52 Origin, where she is Zeus's daughter.

That is, she was created from clay but Zeus brought it to life, which is what I wanted to see, but I could be wrong, in the movie Queen Hippolyta may have lied to her about her birth and she could indeed be Zeus's daughter.

In the new 52 origin she believed that she was made from clay but she found out that her father is actually zeus.

 

[Loki882]

Also keeping the demigoddess origin (and I can live with either origin really, I don't have a huge stake in this particular area), doesn't mean that you have to keep ALL of the characterization "issues" that the Amazons had in the New 52. They can be loving and have good relations with Diana, and still tell what felt was a necessary lie in order to protect her.

It's not an "either or" scenario here.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

Well, Patty Jenkins confirmed on twitter, not too long ago, that she indeed worked on the script with Allan and Geoff.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

If they go with Zeus as her biological dad, as has been stated by insiders, I wish Hippolyta would've lied to her in a different way, and said a group of goddesses brought her to life, not Zeus. But I'm probably nitpicking.

Since this movie seems to be mixing and matching elements of her origin and stories from different eras, if they don't go with Zeus is her biological father, they might have gone this route of "Zeus gave her life" to satisfy the clay and Zeus origin in one go. But something is telling me her origin story in the movie will play out like how it was in Azzrello's run; in which she'll later found out the truth that Zeus is actually her father as her mother will finally tell it to her.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]