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All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

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The Amazons in 'Wonder Woman' Are Real-Life Wrestlers and Olympians, and They're *Awesome*

http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a27523/wonder-women-amazons/

How can we join this squad? (Other than getting up off the couch and working out.)

Okay, first thing's first: If you haven't already seen Wonder Woman please get yourself to a movie theater immediately and rectify the situation. Because once there, you'll meet the most kick-ass group of women cinema has ever encountered, otherwise known as the Amazons of Themyscira.

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The Amazons' fight scenes are arguably some of the best moments in Wonder Woman in terms of choreography, directing, and sheer awesomeness—and it's thrilling to know that director Patty Jenkins cast them from a pool of pro-athletes. In other words, she picked real-life superheroes—including American Crossfit champion Brooke Ence and Swedish professional fighter Madeleine Vall Beijner.

The group trained for weeks in London, and actually had to learn to be *less* badass. "I've been training for 12 years not to show anything, even how hard I get hit," Beijner tells Entertainment Weekly. "They called me RoboCop because when we were training, they were like, 'You're supposed to show that it hurts!' And I was like, 'No, I don't get hurt! I'm a fighter!'"

"It really is cool to see this whole training area, and there's not one male figure in sight," Ence says. "It's just women wrestling other women, kickboxing, doing pull-ups and practicing with spears—just a lot of stuff that in the real world is very male-dominated."

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These women are strong, beautiful, and better than your faves. Much like Wonder Woman itself.
 
Quick plot question:

My fiancee said towards the end, Ares revealed to Diana that she actually wasn't made from clay, but was in fact an actual daughter of Zeus like in the New 52. Was that true? If so I totally missed that line.

Thanks.

It does follow the New 52 origin, leaving the clay story as just that, a story told to Diana to keep the truth secret. She tells Steve in the boat that she was formed from clay and Hippolyta tells Diana that as well when she's young. Then Ares tells her that she was actually the product of Hippolyta and Zeus, that being to conceive and hide a woman who is basically the last remaining Olympian God, and the only person who could kill Ares.
 
Wonder Woman Amazon Warrior and CrossFit Athlete Brooke Ence Wants to Prove that 'Strong Is Beautiful'

http://people.com/bodies/brooke-ence-wonder-woman/

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Brooke Ence was preparing for the 2015 Reebok CrossFit Games when she got a call asking if she wanted to portray an Amazon warrior in the upcoming Justice League film.

“[Director] Zack Snyder had come across a picture of me online and asked Warner Bros. to reach out,” Ence, 27, tells PEOPLE. “It took me a little while to accept [the role] because I wasn’t sure it was going to be worth disrupting my career. I was training for the World Finals of the CrossFit Games, but I ended up accepting it. It was a natural thing for me to do Wonder Woman as well after doing Justice League.”

Ence is best known as a competitive CrossFit athlete, but she actually has a background in musical theater and grew up singing and dancing.

“I always thought I would be on Broadway,” she said, but felt she ended up taking a different path because of her physique. “My whole life I’ve been a very muscular girl. I knew all of the dance companies I could never dance for because of the way that I looked.”

Which is why she knew she wanted to be a part of Wonder Woman, portraying the Amazon warrior Penthiselea.


“It couldn’t have been more perfect to be a part of a film where being a powerful, strong woman is not frowned upon,” she says. “It’s super empowering to all ages and sexes. It could not have been a better role for me.”

Because she was already in CrossFit shape, Ence didn’t have to strength train for the film, but she did have to do some stunt training.

“We did stunt practice a couple of days a week,” she says. “I had to know how to use the sword. The swords weren’t light! Luckily for me, I grew up dancing so it was like second nature because it’s like choreography. I also grew up riding horses, and we were training on horseback every day. Riding horses was by far my favorite [part of training].”

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Ence says getting to work alongside Gal Gadot and the other strong women in the film was “a fantastic experience.”

“The best thing is knowing that I was part of something that will mean a lot and will send a very positive message for boys and girls and men and women for years to come,” says Ence. “I got to play a role that means so much to me as a woman, and as a strong woman. It [shows that] strong is beautiful, strong is powerful, but it’s not just strong in the physical sense — it’s strong in your attitude, it’s strong in your mental game, in your compassion. That’s what I think is portrayed really well by Gal in this movie.”

She was not in the movie. Poor thing. I think she has a bigger role in Justice League but now that's Zack is gone..
 
Was she not in the movie? Was her role cut? It was hard to see all the Amazons and everything going on with only one viewing. Why would she not be in it? How do you know you didn't just miss her?
 
I think the Amazons in general got overlooked a bit in the movie.
 
She said if she's not in WW then she's in JL since apparently all of the Amazons will be in JL. She's in the JL set video catching a Green Screen block
 
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The novelization came out today and I bought it on Amazon.

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https://www.amazon.com/Wonder-Woman-Official-Movie-Novelization/dp/1785653784

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Usually, novelizations can be either a rote, word for word recant of the movie, or they can add little nuances into it and really make it stand out.

Well, I'm two pages in, and this already stands out. End of the second page and already I'm tearing up a little, like I did at the end in Trafalgar Square! Damn...

I'll update more later and tell how it goes. But on those two pages alone, I'm looking forward to the rest!
 
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this doesn't look like it was a coincidence if nothing else for the specificity of the "gods hurl thunderbolts" line
 
I think the Amazons in general got overlooked a bit in the movie.

The Amazons will be in JL, as seen in the trailer.

I hope for WW2, Diana returns home due to some politicsl strife with her mother,etc. Themyscira/The Amazons were the best parts of the film for me.
 
The novelization came out today and I bought it on Amazon.

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https://www.amazon.com/Wonder-Woman-Official-Movie-Novelization/dp/1785653784

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/wo...oks_00000000&2sid=Google_&sourceId=PLGoP74595

Usually, novelizations can be either a rote, word for word recant of the movie, or they can add little nuances into it and really make it stand out.

Well, I'm two pages in, and this already stands out. End of the second page and already I'm tearing up a little, like I did at the end in Trafalgar Square! Damn...

I'll update more later and tell how it goes. But on those two pages alone, I'm looking forward to the rest!

Oh no I'm tempted to buy it now.
 
Has anyone bought Wonder Woman: The Art and Making of The Film? Is it worth it?
 
I bought it, it didn't amaze me but its a nice book to have if your a fan. Most of the information they have in the book isn't really new if you've read various interviews. Plenty of photos, various concept art (about 1 piece per main character) and a lot of talk about the process of making the movie.
 
She was not in the movie. Poor thing. I think she has a bigger role in Justice League but now that's Zack is gone..

I don't think Whedon is going to cut her out of Justice League for some odd reason. She may have a larger role than she had in Wonder Woman and she was training with Jason.
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One thing that I really liked about the film is that it took a lot of inspiration from various WW stories throughout comics/animated features.

The look was very George Perez
Dianas personal origin was very New 52
Diana leaving the island was very Justice League animated.
 
Just saw it, was pretty good! Still not entirely sold on her as an actress yet, but definitely better than she was in BvS. I haven't left the theater for a DC film without debating the movie in my head since TDK.

One thing that kind of is rather distracting, though, is the whole secret identity thing. Between her and Superman, I feel like they should just drop that whole thing. It really doesn't make any sense in the age we live in.
 
One thing that kind of is rather distracting, though, is the whole secret identity thing. Between her and Superman, I feel like they should just drop that whole thing. It really doesn't make any sense in the age we live in.
I'm not yet convinced they're doing the "secret identity" thing with her in present day.
 
How did they managed to make Gal look younger in WW as compared to BvS ?
 
One thing that I really liked about the film is that it took a lot of inspiration from various WW stories throughout comics/animated features.

The look was very George Perez
Dianas personal origin was very New 52
Diana leaving the island was very Justice League animated.

True. They mixed it up! Satisfying when the source lore is actually used. :sly:
 
How did they managed to make Gal look younger in WW as compared to BvS ?


Softer makeup and hair can go a long way.

As far as secret identity, she does go by Diana Prince I believe but there isn't a need to conceal who she is since no one knows Wonder Woman, she is just a glorified myth at this point.
 
One thing that I really liked about the film is that it took a lot of inspiration from various WW stories throughout comics/animated features.

The look was very George Perez
Dianas personal origin was very New 52
Diana leaving the island was very Justice League animated.

WONDER WOMAN: 7 COMIC BOOK AND POP CULTURE INFLUENCES THAT INSPIRED THE FILM

http://nerdist.com/wonder-woman-7-comic-book-pop-culture-influences-that-inspired-the-film/

After decades of waiting, Wonder Woman fans around the globe finally have their first big screen adventure for comics’ #1 super heroine. Diana Prince’s film debuted to huge numbers and incredible reviews for our new Amazing Amazon, Gal Gadot. This was a long, long time coming, after years of different media versions of the character that almost happened—almost all of which had little to do with the DC Comics character except in name.

Among these versions, there was a potential film meant to star Sandra Bullock, which would have had the character be the daughter of a retired secret agent (say what now?) and a terrible NBC pilot starring Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. star Adrianne Palicki as corporate CEO Wonder Woman, wearing a cheap looking costume, and having very, very few similarities to the comic book character.

But finally, our patience has paid off, as director Patty Jenkins delivered a film that took inspiration from many of the great Wonder Woman stories of the past. Here are seven elements from Wonder Woman’s rich history which served to inspire her first big screen adventure.

THE GOLDEN AGE WONDER WOMAN STORIES OF WILLIAM MOULTON MARSTON

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Unlike her DC brethren Superman and Batman, a solid argument could be made for the original Golden Age stories from creator William Moulton Marston still being the best and most influential in the character’s history, even 70 years later. Marston’s brand of radical feminism and “love conquers war” philosophy — which was brushed aside for some forty years in the comics after his death in 1947 — was on full display in those early stories, and is all over Patty Jenkins’ new film.

Of course, another obvious aspect from the Golden Age stories is Diana leaving home to join a war effort, something unique to the original stories. Sure, back then it was World War II and not World War I, but the sight of Diana fighting German soldiers while on horseback? This absolutely evokes images of Golden Age Wonder Woman comics, especially that iconic #1 issue. And the obscure character of Dr. Poison is another callback to the original Marston era. Patty Jenkins’ film evokes more of the Golden Age adventures of Wonder Woman than any Superman or Batman movie evokes the earliest adventures of those heroes.

THE GEORGE PEREZ 1980S REBOOT

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Aside from her “father” William Marston, no comic book creator has had as much of an influence of Wonder Woman than George Perez, who wrote and illustrated the character starting with a radical reboot in 1986, and guided her for adventures for five years. Perez removed several tropes Diana had for decades, like her invisible plane, her secret identity as the bespectacled Diana Prince, and more. But he boosted Wonder Woman’s power levels, and amped up the Greek mythology aspect up several notches.

Other major contributions by Perez are that he renamed Paradise Island into Themyscira after the Amazonian capital in Greek mythology, and introduced the character of Antiope (Queen Hippolyta’s more militant sister) into the comic book mythos. Most importantly, he made Ares, the God of War, into Diana’s principal adversary: the symbol of everything she hopes to rid from the world. He became the Lex to her Superman, the Joker to her Batman. All these elements worked their way into the film.

The Amazons in the movie reflect a lot of the Perez idea of who they were as well. In the original Marston comics, the Amazons were more like a group of sci-fi gymnasts, but Perez really dove into Greek mythology for his version of the mythical warrior women. All of these things are elements used by the Wonder Woman movie to great effect. While many comic book creators get a special thank you in the credits, the name above all the others is George Perez — and there’s good reason for that.

THE NEW 52 WONDER WOMAN

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Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang’s run on Wonder Woman in the New 52 era was highly acclaimed, but not without controversy. The biggest change to the Wonder Woman mythology in this run is that the 70 year old origin story of Diana being sculpted from clay and given life by the Goddesses turns out to be a lie. This falsehood was told to Diana to protect her true parentage — she was really the daughter of Zeus, the product of a torrid affair between the King of the Gods and the Queen of the Amazons.

The film version seems to have used aspects of this origin story, while possibly keeping the original intact. In the movie, Diana believes she was sculpted from clay and brought to life by Zeus—as told to her by her mother since childhood. But by the end of the movie, she realizes she is Zeus’ child and Ares’ sister, and therefore a goddess herself. Now, it’s never fully revealed that Zeus gave Hippolyta a child the old fashioned way, or whether the whole “brought to life from clay” part is still part of the equation. It is all left a mystery still. But Diana is definitely a child of Zeus in some sort of way, and that is straight from the pages of the New 52 run.

THE JUSTICE LEAGUE ANIMATED SERIES


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Although the film version of Diana’s origin story sticks pretty closely to the comics, there is one place where it deviated. In almost every version of the Wonder Woman origin story—from the comics to Lynda Carter to the animated DVD movie—once Steve Trevor crashes onto the island, Queen Hippolyta orders a contest to determine which Amazon shall accompany him home, a contest she refuses to let Diana participate in.

Of course, Diana disguises herself and handily beats the other amazons for the right to take Captain Trevor to Man’s World and become the Amazon’s representative as Wonder Woman. However, the film version forgoes the contest, and simply has Diana disobeying her mother by going to into the secret Amazon vaults and stealing the lasso, the Godkiller sword, and her armor. And while the comics never had Diana do this, the Bruce Timm-created Justice League animated series did. In that show, Diana steals the armor and lasso before journeying to the outside world to help the world’s heroes defeat an alien invasion.

Considering that the Justice League cartoon is the way many younger fan’s were first introduced to Wonder Woman as a character, it’s only fitting some parts of it were used in the film.

GEOFF JOHNS AND JIM LEE’S JUSTICE LEAGUE

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It’s a small moment in the film, but it is one lifted straight from the comics. In Geoff Johns and Jim Lee‘s New 52 reboot of Justice League back in 2011, we see Wonder Woman—newly arrived in our world—having a taste of ice cream for the very first time. For her, this new concoction is something to be celebrated by one and all (she’s not wrong), and tells the street vendor he should be very proud of his achievement. This moment is lifted for the animated movie Justice League: War, and now its found its way into the live action movie too.

THE LYNDA CARTER ERA


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Although the most well known incarnation of Wonder Woman for general audiences prior to this new film was the 1975-79 Lynda Carter television series, the truth is, there are not a ton of direct references to that show in the movie. (At least, nothing that didn’t appear in the comics first.) Although I must say, I was mildly shocked that the classic, kitschy theme song didn’t show up somewhere. However, the film’s costume designer might have snuck in a reference to the old show in a scene where we see Diana wearing a blue dress. You tell me, coincidence or homage? I’m going with homage.

JOHN BYRNE’S MUSEUM CURATOR DIANA

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Unlike Superman and Batman, who have held down the same jobs in their civilian identities since day one, Wonder Woman has had many a job. She’s been a US Army Officer, a secret agent, an astronaut, an ambassador, and even worked in a Mexican fast food joint. (Yes, really). But at one point during writer/artists John Byrne‘s run in the ’90s, Diana worked as the curator and special lecturer at the Gateway City Museum of Antiquities. It wasn’t a super long lived career in the museum business, but it shows Patty Jenkins and the writers were doing their homework when it comes to showing how Diana Prince pays the bills.
 
As far as secret identity, she does go by Diana Prince I believe but there isn't a need to conceal who she is since no one knows Wonder Woman, she is just a glorified myth at this point.
Yeah but after BvS and probably Justice League, she'll almost certainly be a known quantity to the world. And at that point, I don't think Diana Prince will be a "secret" identity, I just think "Wonder Woman" will be a nickname given to her by the press. She'll just be Diana Prince, also known as Wonder Woman. Like the Avengers, basically. And hopefully that will be the first step to her becoming the official ambassador of Themyscira.
 
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