All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Flemm]

Comparisons, fine... But what I was seeing was another round of back and forth over the film. One of the posters even admitted it would be best to take the convo to the appropriate threads.

Yeah, for in-depth stuff, that makes sense.

Nah I'm not convinced. If memory serves right I saw her levitate in the air once and that's it. In every other instance she seemed to be leaping great distances like Doomsday did in BvS.

Well, I just re-watched the movie, and in the final scene...

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She rises up into the air (definitely not jumping), and then flies forward. No Ares around, or any special "energy" or anything.

It's hard for me to interpret that as anything but the obvious.

I understand there will be a lot of over-analysis and hair-splitting anyway, but I think the intent of that scene is clear enough, and she will be flying in future appearances.

There was a lot of talk prior to Avengers that Iron Man should be the only character that flies, and therefore Thor wouldn't/shouldn't fly. But in the end, of course, he ended up flying like in the comics.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah, for in-depth stuff, that makes sense.



Well, I just re-watched the movie, and in the final scene...

Spoiler

She rises up into the air (definitely not jumping), and then flies forward. No Ares around, or any special "energy" or anything.

It's hard for me to interpret that as anything but the obvious.

I understand there will be a lot of over-analysis and hair-splitting anyway, but I think the intent of that scene is clear enough, and she will be flying in future appearances.

There was a lot of talk prior to Avengers that Iron Man should the only character that flies, and therefore Thor wouldn't/shouldn't fly. But in the end, of course, he ended up flying like in the comics.

[BLACKOUT]At what point are you referring to? The end of the film?
Cuz she's clearly jumping the way she did in BvS. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Wanda Detroit]

Yeah, I think it's clear in the film that there was something [BLACKOUT]about Ares being around her and her physically reacting to his power in some way that brought out the "God Mode" in her, and thus the levitation and non-physical dispelling of his attacks. After he was gone though she descended back to the power level she was before. Now it was many years between that fight and the Doomsday battle in BvS and she is obviously much more exerienced and in control of her speed, strength ect. But in the DD fight she does not fly.
In fact if she had been able to I think between her and Supes it would have probably ended very different. [/BLACKOUT]

I don't think any of that had to do with

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Ares

and what she did in bvs had nothing to do with this movie. If she had done a lot of things Superman would be alive but the movie wasn't about her.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

Yeah, for in-depth stuff, that makes sense.



Well, I just re-watched the movie, and in the final scene...

Spoiler

She rises up into the air (definitely not jumping), and then flies forward. No Ares around, or any special "energy" or anything.

It's hard for me to interpret that as anything but the obvious.

I understand there will be a lot of over-analysis and hair-splitting anyway, but I think the intent of that scene is clear enough, and she will be flying in future appearances.

There was a lot of talk prior to Avengers that Iron Man should be the only character that flies, and therefore Thor wouldn't/shouldn't fly. But in the end, of course, he ended up flying like in the comics.

She flies up at least 3 times that isn't leaping. I don't know how anyone can even miss that.

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She even attempts to fly forward towards Ares and he throws metal around her and smacks her back down.

ETA:

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She flies up and levitates from that piece of earth that Ares lifts up.

I've seen the movie 6 times. I don't think I'm hallucinating.

 

[Flemm]

[BLACKOUT]At what point are you referring to? The end of the film?
Cuz she's clearly jumping the way she did in BvS. [/BLACKOUT]

Well, I just saw the movie again for a third time earlier this evening.

Maybe I was delirious or something, but...

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she rises up into the air and *then* starts moving forward.

I don't understand how that can interpreted as anything but flying.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

She flies up at least 3 times that isn't leaping. I don't know how anyone can even miss that.

Spoiler

She even attempts to fly forward towards Ares and he throws metal around her and smacks her back down.

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Which again goes to the idea that she was physically reacting to his power in some way.

 

[flickchick85]

Seems like she could fly to me. *shrugs*

 

[Wanda Detroit]

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Which again goes to the idea that she was physically reacting to his power in some way.

Nah.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I don't think any of that had to do with

Spoiler

Ares

and what she did in bvs had nothing to do with this movie. If she had done a lot of things Superman would be alive but the movie wasn't about her.

Uh...

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That makes no sense at all. If she could fly she would clearly be doing it in the Doomsday fight as it give an enormous advantage. Not once does she fly in BvS and it would have been a big help in that fight. Plus you have that force field thing she does, hardly a classic power of Wonder Woman's so I think there's something to be said about her being in God Mode only when interacting with another Olympian.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Seems like she could fly to me. *shrugs*

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During her fight with Ares, sure. But she doesn't before and in BvS she doesn't and that's 100 years later. She also displayed telekinetic powers and some kind of mystical lightning absorbing and redirecting powers...
Where were they 100 years later as well? If she was capable of telekinetic attack and defense in the DD fight... Why wasn't that ability used along with,
again, flight?

 

[Wanda Detroit]

Uh...

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That makes no sense at all. If she could fly she would clearly be doing it in the Doomsday fight as it give an enormous advantage. Not once does she fly in BvS and it would have been a big help in that fight. Plus you have that force field thing she does, hardly a classic power of Wonder Woman's so I think there's something to be said about her being in God Mode only when interacting with another Olympian.

I've gone through this discussion before. They obviously wanted to save stuff for her solo movie and the Snyders and Roven have said this. It's written in the synopsis for the movie: Fighting alongside man in a war to end all wars, Diana will discover her full powers.....and her true destiny. I'm not getting in to it again. You think whatever you want, but they said they didn't show all that she could do in that movie you can google it.

First she doesn't fly but yeah she can

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but only because she is around another god.

That doesn't make any since to me either so whatever.

 

[Flemm]

What we saw in this movie is more than likely going to take precedence over BvS, which is really for the best, imho.

Not that the casual viewer will care or notice, but there will be some stuff that doesn't line up perfectly.

 

[flickchick85]

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During her fight with Ares, sure. But she doesn't before and in BvS she doesn't and that's 100 years later. She also displayed telekinetic powers and some kind of mystical lightning absorbing and redirecting powers...
Where were they 100 years later as well? If she was capable of telekinetic attack and defense in the DD fight... Why wasn't that ability used along with,
again, flight?

I'm not concerned with whatever she did or didn't do in BvS, because this movie wasn't written at that time and I think they're only casually connecting to that at this point anyway. But [blackout]when she went into "God mode" I did not get the impression that power was coming from Ares. It was just her power reaching potential, hence it kicking into overdrive during her emotional outburst over Steve. So all those abilities are things SHE is capable of, with or without Ares, imo. It may just not be something she taps into all the time.[/blackout]

 

[roach]

Flying? The last scene was her jumping on top of the invisible jet and riding off

 

[Flemm]

I may be in the minority, but I think some kind of stealth jet as a mobile headquarters for Diana in the modern world could be pretty awesome.

Didn't somebody say that Jenkins kind of liked the idea of the jet?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I've gone through this discussion before. They obviously wanted to save stuff for her solo movie and the Snyders and Roven have said this. It's written in the synopsis for the movie: Fighting alongside man in a war to end all wars, Diana will discover her full powers.....and her true destiny. I'm not getting in to it again. You think whatever you want.

First she doesn't fly but yeah she can

Spoiler

but only because she is around another god.

That doesn't make any since to me either so whatever.

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And if she never displays any of that in future films, remember JL is right around the corner, what then? Giant plot hole? Bad writing and directing?
Hoping no one notices? That's the thing, she not only levitates/flies in the battle with Ares she pulls off non physical attacks/defense and absorbs and redirects a lightning barrage from a god... So if she doesn't do ANY of that in future films and that seems likely given the stuff we have seen in BvS and the trailers for JL... Well I don't think that backs up your position.

And as an aside... I'm not being disrespectful to you but you are coming off as though this is making you angry or something for some reason. We are having a reasonable back and forth here. There's no reason to get hot under the collar.

 

[flickchick85]

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And if she never displays any of that in future films, remember JL is right around the corner, what then? Giant plot hole? Bad writing and directing?
Hoping no one notices? That's the thing, she not only levitates/flies in the battle with Ares she pulls off non physical attacks/defense and absorbs and redirects a lightning barrage from a god... So if she doesn't do ANY of that in future films and that seems likely given the stuff we have seen in BvS and the trailers for JL... Well I don't think that backs up your position.

And as an aside... I'm not being disrespectful to you but you are coming off as though this is making you angry or something for some reason. We are having a reasonable back and forth here. There's no reason to get hot under the collar.

Here's what Patty says on the matter:

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Do you think in a future movie she has the ability to fly? JENKINS: I think that what we realized in the course of this movie is that there are ways you can manipulate your powers to do all kinds of things. I see her learning to use her powers progressively throughout the movie and I’m building to her having greater powers as she goes on.

So I think there's a good chance she'll fly in a future movie.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'm not concerned with whatever she did or didn't do in BvS, because this movie wasn't written at that time and I think they're only casually connecting to that at this point anyway. But [blackout]when she went into "God mode" I did not get the impression that power was coming from Ares. It was just her power reaching potential, hence it kicking into overdrive during her emotional outburst over Steve. So all those abilities are things SHE is capable of, with or without Ares, imo. It may just not be something she taps into all the time.[/blackout]

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I think that's reasonable to explain the telekinesis or whatever it is she did to dispel that attack of Ares, and the lightning... But the flight?
I don't see it. And it really should matter about what she does in BvS(given all the talk around here that makes so much out of her lines to Bruce in the end being somehow a huge inconsistency) as it's kind of strange for her to start having access to a power like flight a century ago but apparently makee the decision not to use it in a fight against a being who from her first interaction with shows WAY more destructive power than Ares did.

 

[Flemm]

I'm sure Diana will have some big power moments in Justice League (particularly after the success of this movie), but we may not see as much variety as we do in the confrontation with Ares, simply because it will be a team movie.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

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And if she never displays any of that in future films, remember JL is right around the corner, what then? Giant plot hole? Bad writing and directing?
Hoping no one notices? That's the thing, she not only levitates/flies in the battle with Ares she pulls off non physical attacks/defense and absorbs and redirects a lightning barrage from a god... So if she doesn't do ANY of that in future films and that seems likely given the stuff we have seen in BvS and the trailers for JL... Well I don't think that backs up your position.

And as an aside... I'm not being disrespectful to you but you are coming off as though this is making you angry or something for some reason. We are having a reasonable back and forth here. There's no reason to get hot under the collar.

If she does things in Patty's movies that she doesn't do in Snyder's then that it Snyder's problem. She should be doing these things in the JL. Patty has already talked about making WW stronger and better and manipulating her powers. If she is not flying and using that special trick of hers in JL(it looks like she is from that shield bash moment in the trailer) already then those reshoots better have them. I'm not angry that just how I talk. I'm very frank and very sarcastic. It just doesn't read well.

 

[Ardyns]

Here's what Patty says on the matter:

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Do you think in a future movie she has the ability to fly? JENKINS: I think that what we realized in the course of this movie is that there are ways you can manipulate your powers to do all kinds of things. I see her learning to use her powers progressively throughout the movie and I’m building to her having greater powers as she goes on.

So I think there's a good chance she'll fly in a future movie.

I thought her movement at the end was slightly similar to how Magneto moves in the air. It wasn't flying like Superman does with horizontal thrust.

 

[Thome216]

Yeah, for in-depth stuff, that makes sense.



Well, I just re-watched the movie, and in the final scene...

Spoiler

She rises up into the air (definitely not jumping), and then flies forward. No Ares around, or any special "energy" or anything.

It's hard for me to interpret that as anything but the obvious.

I understand there will be a lot of over-analysis and hair-splitting anyway, but I think the intent of that scene is clear enough, and she will be flying in future appearances.

There was a lot of talk prior to Avengers that Iron Man should be the only character that flies, and therefore Thor wouldn't/shouldn't fly. But in the end, of course, he ended up flying like in the comics.

Highlighted spoiler.

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In that ending scene, it definitely looks like a BIG leap and not flight. In WW, she jumps up high before crossing her bracers and blasting Ares and she does look to float down. In BvS however, a hundred years after WW, those are leaps in the fight scene with Doomsday and not flight.

 

[flickchick85]

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I think that's reasonable to explain the telekinesis or whatever it is she did to dispel that attack of Ares, and the lightning... But the flight?
I don't see it. And it really should matter about what she does in BvS(given all the talk around here that makes so much out of her lines to Bruce in the end being somehow a huge inconsistency) as it's kind of strange for her to start having access to a power like flight a century ago but apparently makee the decision not to use it in a fight against a being who from her first interaction with shows WAY more destructive power than Ares did.

I mean it's not like Doomsday took to the skies and left her on the ground. There was never a moment in that fight where I thought, "darn, if only she could fly." She had no trouble keeping up with him as is. And the inconsistencies in the dialogue from BvS just kinda re-enforces my point that they aren't sticking to that like gospel, imo.

And I don't know why you'd be [blackout]ok accepting those other abilities but not flight.[/blackout] Makes no sense to me whatsoever. The whole thing is obviously open to interpretation though, so to each their own.

 

[Ardyns]

Highlighted spoiler.

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In that ending scene, it definitely looks like a BIG leap and not flight. In WW, she jumps up high before crossing her bracers and blasting Ares and she does look to float down. In BvS however, a hundred years after WW, those are leaps in the fight scene with Doomsday and not flight.

Agreed. That's exactly how I saw that.

 

[roach]

I'm sure Diana will have some big power moments in Justice League (particularly after the success of this movie), but we may not see as much variety as we do in the confrontation with Ares, simply because it will be a team movie.

You'll probably see more variety as they don't want to make stale their one hit character.