All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[dhandler01]

The things you miss... Only seeing this gif did I realize that Diana is lifting and pulling Steve towards her, as shown by his surprised look down at her grip on his jacket. And yet she is just so gentle...

Geez I saw the movie 3 times and never noticed that

 

[dhandler01]

In JL I wonder what exactly her place is in public? I am not sure we can assume her ID is secret. It's one of the things that I appreciated about the DCEU so far. In today's world if someone had the resources and influence and the impetus to do so (a Lex Luthor or an Amanda Waller) finding evidence of a super hero's true identity is more than possible it's probable.

At the end of WONDER WOMAN we see Diana working in the field of antiquities and is taking more of a public role in the world now. In the JL trailers it seems she is under attack at some point. So between the end of BvS and JL is she now totally in the public eye? Is she bothering with the idea of a secret identity? There have been long stretches of the comics since 1987 where she is simply out in the open. Will we get that in JL and a WW sequel?

I dont see her holding down a day job at the museum if she is public with who she is. That would be just weird. People would treat her differently and she would be putting them at risk.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I dont see her holding down a day job at the museum if she is public with who she is. That would be just weird. People would treat her differently and she would be putting them at risk.

True but the same could be said of her time in the comics as ambassador of the Amazons having an embassy with workers in there, etc.

 

[Dr.]

I dont see her holding down a day job at the museum if she is public with who she is. That would be just weird. People would treat her differently and she would be putting them at risk.

So…

We might agree that the battle with Doomsday in BvS was sufficiently chaotic and isolated that Diana remained anonymous.

And in the prologue of WW, Diana continues to be anonymous - to the extent that no one at the Louvre appears to recognize Ms Prince as a world-famous super powered superhero.

Therefore, the final shot in the epilogue of WW - where Wonder Woman springs into action due to some crisis in Paris - represents her “coming out” to the modern world.


Is that the theory?

 

[Micromind]

So…

We might agree that the battle with Doomsday in BvS was sufficiently chaotic and isolated that Diana remained anonymous.

And in the prologue of WW, Diana continues to be anonymous - to the extent that no one at the Louvre appears to recognize Ms Prince as a world-famous super powered superhero.

Therefore, the final shot in the epilogue of WW - where Wonder Woman springs into action due to some crisis in Paris - represents her “coming out” to the modern world.


Is that the theory?

Yes.

 

[Flemm]

Therefore, the final shot in the epilogue of WW - where Wonder Woman springs into action due to some crisis in Paris - represents her “coming out” to the modern world.

I don't really buy that idea, because the bookend scene doesn't portray that moment as a "coming out," but rather just as an affirmation of WW's mission "now and forever."

So I think we will just have to wait and see. I'm not sure how they'll handle it, exactly.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

There is a lot of vagueness right now which is fine but in JL they need certain things delineated.

 

[Thome216]

It would be cool if she pulled a Tony Stark, but I think she's going to try and keep her identities separate. As said, holding down a day job while being a super hero could get pretty dangerous for the coworkers.

And as we've seen, some people have no problem picking a fight with a god.

Plus, there was that secretive look she cast to the departing worker that suggests that she'll be keeping her identity a secret. Though how she's going to do that without any glasses for a disguise is a mystery to me...

 

[Flemm]

There is a lot of vagueness right now which is fine but in JL they need certain things delineated.

Those things probably will be clear in JL, but I'm just not sure what choices the producers and writers will make.

I don't think the secret identity concept really matters much to Wonder Woman, the way Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne matter for Superman and Batman respectively.

So I tend to think they will not emphasize that a lot. But we shall see.

 

[FunkMiller]

I don't really buy that idea, because the bookend scene doesn't portray that moment as a "coming out," but rather just as an affirmation of WW's mission "now and forever."

So I think we will just have to wait and see. I'm not sure how they'll handle it, exactly.

I think a little too much might be being read into that final hero shot. It's like Batman standing at the top of the building with the Bat signal in the sky - it doesn't serve any story purpose, it's just a great visual. WW jumping off the Louvre is the same. I certainly don't think it's her coming out to the world at all. There's no context to support that idea in the sequence.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Speaking about vagueness in that final shot, is she flying or is it just a very high leap??

 

[dhandler01]

True but the same could be said of her time in the comics as ambassador of the Amazons having an embassy with workers in there, etc.

Ambassador is different...that is a diplomatic post not a 9-5 job

 

[dhandler01]

There is a lot of vagueness right now which is fine but in JL they need certain things delineated.

I am not sure her secret identity needs to be covered much in Justice League except that if she is "out" then seeing her with Bruce Wayne and a few other people would perhaps tip people off if she is also seen with Batman and a similar number of people in costume

I think the secret identity should be fleshed out more in WW2

 

[Thome216]

Speaking about vagueness in that final shot, is she flying or is it just a very high leap??

I'd say it's a very high leap, esp as it does not look like she is in a 'flying' pose.

 

[Flemm]

I'd say it's a very high leap, esp as it does not look like she is in a 'flying' pose.

If a high, slow leap never ends, doesn't it become flying at some point?

Combined with soaring over the tower prior to killing Ludendorff, and a few other things, I thought that the capacity for flight was pretty clear.

But it may be used and portrayed differently than Superman-esque flying.

It's a bit like Iron Man and Thor. They can both fly but it's handled a bit differently from a visual standpoint.

 

[Thome216]

I know. It's a bit ambiguous, especially with her 'hang time.'

 

[idiot09]

I think she will come out to the world along with the JL. Kinda like the ending of JL: Origin.

 

[2kt09]

Aquaman and Wonder Woman seemed to have displayed similar leap capabilities.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

If a high, slow leap never ends, doesn't it become flying at some point?

Combined with soaring over the tower prior to killing Ludendorff, and a few other things, I thought that the capacity for flight was pretty clear.

But it may be used and portrayed differently than Superman-esque flying.

It's a bit like Iron Man and Thor. They can both fly but it's handled a bit differently from a visual standpoint.

She can clearly fly. I don't think there was anything ambiguous about it. I also don't get the "hang time stuff". She was floating. She was doing jumps like with taking out that tower but in the final battle she was suspended in the air. That is more than hang time.

Some people really think she leapt thousands of feet to that other place that was on fire?

 

[Flemm]

She can clearly fly. I don't think there was anything ambiguous about it.

I don't either. It's reminiscent of discussions about Thor prior to his early appearances.

Some people thought that another character being able to fly would detract from Iron Man or something.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

I don't either. It's reminiscent of discussions about Thor prior to his early appearances.

Some people thought that another character being able to fly would detract from Iron Man or something.

That's so silly to me especially when War Machine exists and Tony's many drones. Wonder Woman and Supernan fly differently but does Superman and Shazam fly that much differently and does it really matter? We can still tell them apart.

 

[Flemm]

That's so silly to me especially when War Machine exists and Tony's many drones. Wonder Woman and Supernan fly differently but does Superman and Shazam fly that much differently and does it really matter? We can still tell them apart.

With Thor there was originally a lot of skepticism that he would keep many of his comic book powers in any big screen adaptation.

And Thor flying didn't get a lot of emphasis in his first movie either, particularly compared to Iron Man.

Thor does a little bit of flying for a few moments on the Frost Giant world, and he hovers a bit at the end, when fighting the destroyer. But mostly the story is about Thor connecting with humanity, so there's not a lot of emphasis on him soaring above us.

In Wonder Woman, we have Diana gradually discovering her powers, while also becoming a part of mankind's world.

The story focus is different for these characters than with Superman and Iron Man. So I think that is probably the source of the questions. But in the long run, I don't have much or really any doubt about how it will work.

 

[Thome216]

I still don't think I've seen her truly fly... yet...

I'm hoping she'll get to that, but so far all I've seen are spectacular leaps and bounds - and some 'hang time.'

When we see a clip where this definitively happens - - then I'll agree she can fly.t:

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I think a little too much might be being read into that final hero shot. It's like Batman standing at the top of the building with the Bat signal in the sky - it doesn't serve any story purpose, it's just a great visual. WW jumping off the Louvre is the same. I certainly don't think it's her coming out to the world at all. There's no context to support that idea in the sequence.

^ Agreed.

 

[Greenlite]

So…

We might agree that the battle with Doomsday in BvS was sufficiently chaotic and isolated that Diana remained anonymous.

And in the prologue of WW, Diana continues to be anonymous - to the extent that no one at the Louvre appears to recognize Ms Prince as a world-famous super powered superhero.

Therefore, the final shot in the epilogue of WW - where Wonder Woman springs into action due to some crisis in Paris - represents her “coming out” to the modern world.


Is that the theory?

There was an epic battle of words in part 23 and is ongoing in the spoiler thread right now if you're interested.

I'm over it at this point