America...the Thread

[hammy]

It's odd that anyone would want to risk excluding 75% of the population from their establishment, anyway. Since 3 out of 4 people (at least in the US) are non smokers.

 

[Erzengel]

I'm just waiting for the big push when we as a people, finally push back on having to censor, placate and cater to the 5 people who are too hyper sensitive to everything and tell them to just live with it.

 

[moraldeficiency]

It's odd that anyone would want to risk excluding 75% of the population from their establishment, anyway. Since 3 out of 4 people (at least in the US) are non smokers.

Exactely, so a smoking bar is catering to a minority of the population. Taking a greater buisness risk. Why is that such a foul and evil concept?

 

[Figs]

But that makes no sense. The majority of people do NOT smoke. So I'm sure a nonsmoking bar would do well. Here in Florida we have both and both do rather well.

You're still not getting it, the owners of an establishment have rights too. If they wanted to open a nonsmoking bar I wouldn't go in, you would. See how that works? I'm not limiting your freedom, I'm only asking for choices. You're actively trying to limit mine and the private property of bar owners because of your choice. Can you see the difference in that?

You're literally saying the same thing I did with the rights thing but I don't think you understand the point. If a bar owner chooses to open a smoking bar but you make a law to ban it, you've infringed on the owner's rights and since no bars can be smoking unless they jump through insane hoops then mine as well. If a bar owner chooses to open a nonsmoking bar I get to choose not to go, you get to choose to go, the owner isn't regulated and everyone wins. By making it illegal to have that option you've stricken the rights of everyone but people that agree with you.

You've really got it out for smokers huh? You want to throw beer around? Take it easy, I'm not insulting you or nonsmokers, but this thread is about America (USA to be specific) and since it was founded on freedoms, then I can't understand your want to limit them just because you don't agree. But then you are in the majority, so you can supress me and stifle my choices if you don't like them. People like you already have. You won, congrats. But please don't try to tell me your imposing your will on me is fair, it's not.

If you really want to throw beer in people's faces that's fine by me. But you should know that physical contact constitutes assault and whomever you throw it at then has the right to kick your @ss.

The piss (it was piss you were typing right?) analogy is just silly. But you know what if someone wanted to open a piss bar where people can just come in and piss on the floor, that's fine by me. I'll just make the choice not to go there. That's how choices work.

Damn good post!

 

[hammy]

Exactely, so a smoking bar is catering to a minority of the population. Taking a greater buisness risk. Why is that such a foul and evil concept?

It's not the business risk that is foul and evil; it's the cigarette smoke. t:

 

[moraldeficiency]

Hey a nonsmoker with a sense of humor, careful if that gets out you won't be invited to the "smokers are evil and must die meetings".

 

[hammy]

They'll die soon enough. I just don't particularly want them taking me with them.

 

[Memphis Slim]

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[kedrell]

It's odd that anyone would want to risk excluding 75% of the population from their establishment, anyway. Since 3 out of 4 people (at least in the US) are non smokers.

I'm sure the percentage of smokers is greater among those who also drink, probably close to 50/50 at least. And if you don't drink and don't smoke, why would you want to be in a bar anyway?

 

[Figs]

I'm sure the percentage of smokers is greater among those who also drink, probably close to 50/50 at least. And if you don't drink and don't smoke, why would you want to be in a bar anyway?

Very true, someone earlier was saying smoking and drinking don't go hand in hand.....when in fact they for the most part do.

 

[hammy]

I'm sure the percentage of smokers is greater among those who also drink, probably close to 50/50 at least. And if you don't drink and don't smoke, why would you want to be in a bar anyway?

You just used 50/50 as your example, suggesting that 50 percent of drinkers, don't smoke. So maybe that's why they'd want to be in the bar.

But anyway, that really doesn't matter. The point is, it's the smokers who are bringing the problem, needlessy. They have had their rights for years. Now it's time for the non smokers to have some rights, people who weren't even causing the problem in the first place. It's selfish and annoying that the smokers are whining about it.

 

[Figs]

You just used 50/50 as your example, suggesting that 50 percent of drinkers, don't smoke. So maybe that's why they'd want to be in the bar.

But anyway, that really doesn't matter. The point is, it's the smokers who are bringing the problem, needlessy. They have had their rights for years. Now it's time for the non smokers to have some rights, people who weren't even causing the problem in the first place. It's selfish and annoying that the smokers are whining about it.

First off don't act like non smokers have never had rights and were slaves or some crap. The other thing........smokers are whining about it because it will lead to an eventual all out ban. Ignorant people of course won't care, but those are the ones that get their freedoms taken away over time without ever realizing it.

 

[Victarion]

Well while we discuss America, what do the Hypesters think about the Mexican Flag in Reno business?

---Morzan

 

[hammy]

First off don't act like non smokers have never had rights and were slaves or some crap. The other thing........smokers are whining about it because it will lead to an eventual all out ban. Ignorant people of course won't care, but those are the ones that get their freedoms taken away over time without ever realizing it.

That's exactly what the case was, for many years. You couldn't go anywhere in public without the potential of being assaulted by cigarette smoke. It's about more than just your freedom to smoke, which you do have. It's also my right to be free from it. And I'm well aware of eroding freedoms, but the right to smoke and make tobacco companies even richer, is not one that greatly concerns me.

Think about it. WHY do you smoke in the first place? WHO is benefiting? While you're sqwaking about your rights, you're making yourself sick so the tobacco companies can get even richer and more powerful by essentially, poisoning people.

 

[Figs]

That's exactly what the case was, for many years. You couldn't go anywhere in public without the potential of being assaulted by cigarette smoke. It's about more than just your freedom to smoke, which you do have. It's also my right to be free from it. And I'm well aware of eroding freedoms, but the right to smoke and make tobacco companies even richer, is not one that greatly concerns me.

Think about it. WHY do you smoke in the first place? WHO is benefiting? While you're sqwaking about your rights, you're making yourself sick so the tobacco companies can get even richer and more powerful by essentially, poisoning people.

Yes, I realize all that but it still comes down to personall choice. Yes, smoking may be stupid but we should have the freedom to make that decision regardless.

 

[hammy]

And you do. You have the freedom to make stupid decisions that effect you. Just not stupid decisions that effect me. While you're at it, why not advocate drinking and driving, as well? Why should my right to drive on a road without drunks supersede their right to have a good time and drive afterward? I mean, they don't kill people every time.

 

[Figs]

And you do. You have the freedom to make stupid decisions that effect you. Just not stupid decisions that effect me. While you're at it, why not advocate drinking and driving, as well? Why should my right to drive on a road without drunks supersede their right to have a good time and drive afterward? I mean, they don't kill people every time.

LMFAO! That has got to be one of the most exagerated comparison/examples I've ever heard. There no were in the same ballpark honey. Like I said some posts back, that people just don't get. Smoking can increase the chances of getting cancer. It doesn't outright give it to you, I know and have known plenty of smokers who are living/have lived to a nice old age. Although your right and you and the other non smokers shouldn't have to be near it, a little whiff/scent isn't going to do much of anything aside from maybe annoying you.

 

[hammy]

LMFAO! That has got to be one of the most exagerated comparison/examples I've ever heard. There no were in the same ballpark honey. Like I said some posts back, that people just don't get. Smoking can increase the chances of getting cancer. It doesn't outright give it to you, I know and have known plenty of smokers who are living/have lived to a nice old age. Although your right and you and the other non smokers shouldn't have to be near it, a little whiff/scent isn't going to do much of anything aside from maybe annoying you.

Yes. I exaggerated for a purpose, to show how preposterous it is for people to not get the point .. don't make your problems/issues, everybody's problem.

And my problem with it is not about getting cancer, so way to jump to conclusions.

 

[Figs]

Yes. I exaggerated for a purpose, to show how preposterous it is for people to not get the point .. don't make your problems/issues, everybody's problem.

And my problem with it is not about getting cancer, so way to jump to conclusions.

If your problem is not about getting cancer or any other smoke "related" problems, then is it just for the sake of complaining? I always figured that's why most non smokers didn't smoke was because of the chances of getting health problems?

 

[kedrell]

I'd be fine with it if the government stopped being such a tax-****e and wnet and made tobacco illegal all the way. That's about the only way I'd ever be able to stop.

 

[XtromaniaK]

I see that your American education has helped you spell words like "Moron". Excellent! Can you spell hypocrite, too? You don't need an MBA to get a plane and leave. You stay because of the wonderful opportunities this country affords you. Period. Yet you dog it out. Hey....where ya' going??? Let me guess......Saudi Arabia? Russia? China? Hey, any country is better than the ol' USA, right?

My "American" education. My education is mostly in of itself. It comes from reading authors like Melville, Poe, and Lovecraft. It comes from the copious amount of time I've spent researching and forming my opinion on basic elements of history. Even then, my education came from a private school system. Not the dilapidated public system.

I don't need an MBA to get a plane and leave, you're right. But my parents, who are paying for most of my education, would never let me study in anywhere BUT the U.S. Even if I had interest anywhere else. They wouldn't understand my views and I'd be left with little to fund my "higher" education. It's called playing the hand that's dealt to you. I'm staying mostly for posterity, as I said before. Once I am able, I'll leave this country far behind.

And I love how you pick the frequently "demonized" countries as sites for my relocation. Actually, I think I'd rather move to Ireland or England. I've been to both and I love them dearly. Loaded. Words.

 

[hammy]

If your problem is not about getting cancer or any other smoke "related" problems, then is it just for the sake of complaining? I always figured that's why most non smokers didn't smoke was because of the chances of getting health problems?

Are you kidding? What about how pathetically disgusting it is? It makes you reek .. seriously. It's gross. And people look so stupid, doing it. Women always look butch and men always look effeminate. It's like, they can't even help it. It just looks stupid. And who wants to smell like an ashtray? Or kiss one? My reason for not wanting to be around it is because I'm actually allergic to it. Within seconds I get a searing headache that lasts for hours. And I have asthma, which attacks of can be set off by allergic reactions. Why should I have to suffer that just because I want to grab some lunch or have a drink? And please don't say, "Then don't go to the bar, stay home." Because I could just as easily say, "Want to smoke? Then stay home to do your drinking."

I'd be fine with it if the government stopped being such a tax-****e and wnet and made tobacco illegal all the way. That's about the only way I'd ever be able to stop.

That's the really sad part of this whole thing. I know so many people who said they'd give just about anything to stop, if only they could. So when some smokers argue about their 'rights,' and how wonderful it is to smoke, I can't help but think they've just allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the tobacco companies. And the fact that government does collect so much tax money from smoking just shows how willing they are to keep it legal. But when you think of the costs that society as a whole has had to pay for the actions of smokers, they probably should be collecting even more from them.

 

[Figs]

Are you kidding? What about how pathetically disgusting it is? It makes you reek .. seriously. It's gross. And people look so stupid, doing it. Women always look butch and men always look effeminate. It's like, they can't even help it. It just looks stupid. And who wants to smell like an ashtray? Or kiss one? My reason for not wanting to be around it is because I'm actually allergic to it. Within seconds I get a searing headache that lasts for hours. And I have asthma, which attacks of can be set off by allergic reactions. Why should I have to suffer that just because I want to grab some lunch or have a drink? And please don't say, "Then don't go to the bar, stay home." Because I could just as easily say, "Want to smoke? Then stay home to do your drinking."

Thanks for being one of the few that actually give real reasons to why it bothers you. I can understand more if like in your case you are allergic to it. The thing I have to disagree with though is, I have no idea were you live but all the females and males around were I live don't look "butch" or "effeminate" cause they smoke. I guess people just see things in a different light.

I'm not going to open up that can of worms again about the bars. I do think it would be better for both sides if there were more splits down the middle with Smoking Bars, and Non Smoking Bars.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Why do people smoke?It's not good for them.

 

[Bill]

Actually I am a fairly bright adult. You need to read into it more since you don't have the common sense to realize how things work. You see the smoker's lungs are the ones that take in all the added chemicals like Cyanide, which I mentioned beforehand. Ask yourself this, what would be worse, plain old smoke which is mainly what's getting exhaled from the smoker. Or smoke with chemicals like Cyanide in it, which goes into literally, the smokers lungs/blood stream.

I do understand that non smokers shouldn't have to breathe in smoke at all wether it's second hand or not. Just was saying I don't buy the overated argument that second hand smoke actually kills. There is no proof and like I was saying earlier it's not nearly as dangerous as some make it out to be. Once again though, I will also say that I make it a point not to stand next to non smokers when I light up because it would be rude.

Common sense, or rather, direct observation, would tell you that the end of the cigarette gives off smoke as well. Last time I checked, that was how things worked. That is part of second hand smoke, and it does contain chemicals and causes harm. That you disagree shows that big tobacco companies and the studies they sponsor have successfully stymied your ability to see how things work. Perhaps a little education will trump your superior common sense.

No one is saying that it is definitely going to kill you. But why would anyone smart enough to not take up the habit want to take the risk of that or any of the other myriad of health problems related to smoking.