America...the Thread

[Mr Sparkle]

So what you're saying is Europe is so scared of war they'll surrender everything to avoid it. Gotcha. I cant think of a more indignified way to live... or die.

LOL, no, that's not at all what I'm saying.
I find your ignorance "Indignified" (LOL, WTF?t but then, that's just me.

 

[LexCorp]

To be fair I keep myself away from what ever crap in this world would really harm me. If people want to smoke, drink whatever then let them. If they are not hurting me that's fine. If they want to do it to harm themselves, because they like it or just because they want to rebel against a law then fine let them do it. Just keep it away form me.

 

[Memphis Slim]

You're a blind moron. I hate this country, I hate people like you who have their heads so far up this country's politicians' butts that they can't see the sunshine. But, I want to get my MBA at UT before I leave. My grandpa went there, my relatives all live in Texas, I watch Texas football. It's more for posterity and tradition than anything.

Try harder to not use insane amounts hyperbole and false premises next time. It'll make you look less like an undereducated neanderthal when I have to respond to such tripe. Not that you have trouble making yourself look that way on your own.

I see that your American education has helped you spell words like "Moron". Excellent! Can you spell hypocrite, too? You don't need an MBA to get a plane and leave. You stay because of the wonderful opportunities this country affords you. Period. Yet you dog it out. Hey....where ya' going??? Let me guess......Saudi Arabia? Russia? China? Hey, any country is better than the ol' USA, right?

 

[LexCorp]

I see that your American education has helped you spell words like "Moron". Excellent! Can you spell hypocrite, too? You don't need an MBA to get a plane and leave. You stay because of the wonderful opportunities this country affords you. Period. Yet you dog it out. Hey....where ya' going??? Let me guess......Saudi Arabia? Russia? China? Hey, any country is better than the ol' USA, right?

USA rules for the simple fact that their are more fast food places.

 

[Bill]

Personally I can't believe people think that second hand smoke is worse than the inital smoke straight from the cigarette. The majority if not all of the added chemicals like Cyanide(sp?) in the cigs goes into the smokers lungs. What's left isn't nearly as potent if at all.

Let me get this straight. You think the unfiltered smoke coming off the end of the cigarette is better than the filtered smoke going in the lungs.

Right. You're a bright kid. Move along now.

Quite frankly, no one should have to share even a risk of getting harmed by what another does. That is the point.

 

[Bill]

Why? If smoking isn't banned there, they have as much a right to being there than you do. You're the one with the problem, you're the one that can leave. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Unless I missed something, I wasn't talking about places where it isn't banned. New York state passed a "clean air" act that placed the conditions I explained. It made it better for those who, you know, wanted clean air when eating out or working at a job.

 

[kedrell]

George muthasmurfin Washington all the way son!

I agree. His greatest achievement in my opinion: refusing to be a king even though he could have been one. That's what separates him from the likes of Julius Caesar and people like him.So few people when offered that kind of power would be able to turn it down.

 

[Concept Name]

america used to be awesome........but then came paris hilton.

 

[LexCorp]

america used to be awesome........but then came paris hilton.

I rather enjoyed it when Paris Hilton came lol

 

[kedrell]

The way I see it, every country that's ever existed sucks when you get down to it. America just sucks a little less than all the others.

 

[C.F. Kane]

America. It's a country. It covers a large area of land. And I was born there. So... yeah.

 

[Memphis Slim]

USA rules for the simple fact that their are more fast food places.

LOL......


Naaah....everybody knows the USA rules because of Peyton Manning.




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[LexCorp]

LOL......


Naaah....everybody knows the USA rules because of Peyton Manning.




t:

Forgive me but who?

 

[moraldeficiency]

I value individual rights more than most people, but I do have a problem with smoking because my right to breathe supersedes their right to smoke. Breathing is a requisite for life, smoking isn't.

Then please don't drive, or use any products made from a factory or use any power produced from coal or oil. I don't like polutants either and you don't need a car, power, or machinery to live so by that logic you shouldn't do any of those things because their slowly killing me.

 

[Darthphere]

Unless I missed something, I wasn't talking about places where it isn't banned. New York state passed a "clean air" act that placed the conditions I explained. It made it better for those who, you know, wanted clean air when eating out or working at a job.

Yes, you missed common sense and logic. I already stated that if smoking is banned in a certain location, then yeah, don't smoke there. But if there no ban then smoke your lungs off and anyone who doesn't like it can find somewhere else to go that is smoke free.

 

[moraldeficiency]

It isn't all for nothing. Restaurant bars are non-smoking, stand-alone bar are smoking. Now there is a choice. I frequent Restaurant bars because it's non smoking. I choice not to go to stand-alone bars because it smells like ass. It's all perspective, your right to smoke or my right not to be around smoke. I could be forced to leave because I don't want to smell smoke or you could be forced to leave because you want to smoke. Before the ban, it was I who would be forced to leave. Now we both have a bar to go to. And having a smoke free bar wouldn't be economically sound just like if you had a full nude strip club and a panties and tassle strip club right next to each other. One would make lots of money the other not so much.

I don't get your strip club analogy at all. Smokers would favor the smoking bars, nonsmokers would favor the nonsmoking bars. There are more people that don't smoke than those that do so actually it's kinda the opposite of what you're saying.

I still don't understand why you can't find the compromise fair. If the owner wishes to have a smoking establishment let them, if they don't let them. Let customers decide where to give their buisness. You don't want to breathe smoke? Don't go to a smoking establishment. If you think that limits your options, well that's the point of making choices. I just don't see how limiting others rights for your convience is fair or right in anyway.

As I said before, nonsmokers could always have opened a nonsmoking bar. They didn't. Don't blame people or the laws. Blame other nonsmokers for not making one. You're rights were always there, no one decided to use them. So rather than using your own freedom to make a choice you decided to limit mine so you don't have to do jack. Maybe it's just me that sees it this way.

 

[thedeadite]

It's not just you. The smoking ban in Ontario is rediculous.

 

[LexCorp]

Oh how I wish I had not started this smoking thing.....

My point got lost a few pages back lol

 

[Figs]

Let me get this straight. You think the unfiltered smoke coming off the end of the cigarette is better than the filtered smoke going in the lungs.

Right. You're a bright kid. Move along now.

Quite frankly, no one should have to share even a risk of getting harmed by what another does. That is the point.

Actually I am a fairly bright adult. You need to read into it more since you don't have the common sense to realize how things work. You see the smoker's lungs are the ones that take in all the added chemicals like Cyanide, which I mentioned beforehand. Ask yourself this, what would be worse, plain old smoke which is mainly what's getting exhaled from the smoker. Or smoke with chemicals like Cyanide in it, which goes into literally, the smokers lungs/blood stream.

I do understand that non smokers shouldn't have to breathe in smoke at all wether it's second hand or not. Just was saying I don't buy the overated argument that second hand smoke actually kills. There is no proof and like I was saying earlier it's not nearly as dangerous as some make it out to be. Once again though, I will also say that I make it a point not to stand next to non smokers when I light up because it would be rude.

 

[Sandman138]

Oh how I wish I had not started this smoking thing.....

My point got lost a few pages back lol

You made your bed, now lie in it you commie bastard.

 

[LexCorp]

You made your bed, now lie in it you commie bastard.

lol

Commie


Fair point, I tried to stear it back in the love USA direction but I failed.

 

[bell110]

I don't get your strip club analogy at all. Smokers would favor the smoking bars, nonsmokers would favor the nonsmoking bars. There are more people that don't smoke than those that do so actually it's kinda the opposite of what you're saying.

I still don't understand why you can't find the compromise fair. If the owner wishes to have a smoking establishment let them, if they don't let them. Let customers decide where to give their buisness. You don't want to breathe smoke? Don't go to a smoking establishment. If you think that limits your options, well that's the point of making choices. I just don't see how limiting others rights for your convience is fair or right in anyway.

As I said before, nonsmokers could always have opened a nonsmoking bar. They didn't. Don't blame people or the laws. Blame other nonsmokers for not making one. You're rights were always there, no one decided to use them. So rather than using your own freedom to make a choice you decided to limit mine so you don't have to do jack. Maybe it's just me that sees it this way.

Like I said, nobody starts opens a non-smoking bar because it wouldn't make money. That was my point with the strip club analogy. If it did make money, people would have opened non smoking bars. Now, with the ban, we have non smoking restaurant bars and smoking stand alone bars. And why should my rights be limited for you not to be inconvienced to go outside and smoke? See, it's a two way street. My right vs. your right. The smoking ban is the compromise, so how come you can't see that it's fair?

How about if anytime someone lights a cigarette up next to me, I can throw a beer in his face to put it out? Would that be fair. Don't I have the right to throw beer in people's face?

We have designated areas away from people so people can take a ****, so shouldn't we have designated areas away from people so they can smoke?

 

[Addendum]

The only people that don't open businesses are the ones that fear taking risks.

Every single business that is in existence today started because the owner took a risk and didn't listen to the people that said "Nobody would buy that"

 

[moraldeficiency]

Like I said, nobody starts opens a non-smoking bar because it wouldn't make money. That was my point with the strip club analogy. If it did make money, people would have opened non smoking bars. Now, with the ban, we have non smoking restaurant bars and smoking stand alone bars. And why should my rights be limited for you not to be inconvienced to go outside and smoke? See, it's a two way street. My right vs. your right. The smoking ban is the compromise, so how come you can't see that it's fair?

How about if anytime someone lights a cigarette up next to me, I can throw a beer in his face to put it out? Would that be fair. Don't I have the right to throw beer in people's face?

We have designated areas away from people so people can take a ****, so shouldn't we have designated areas away from people so they can smoke?

But that makes no sense. The majority of people do NOT smoke. So I'm sure a nonsmoking bar would do well. Here in Florida we have both and both do rather well.

You're still not getting it, the owners of an establishment have rights too. If they wanted to open a nonsmoking bar I wouldn't go in, you would. See how that works? I'm not limiting your freedom, I'm only asking for choices. You're actively trying to limit mine and the private property of bar owners because of your choice. Can you see the difference in that?

You're literally saying the same thing I did with the rights thing but I don't think you understand the point. If a bar owner chooses to open a smoking bar but you make a law to ban it, you've infringed on the owner's rights and since no bars can be smoking unless they jump through insane hoops then mine as well. If a bar owner chooses to open a nonsmoking bar I get to choose not to go, you get to choose to go, the owner isn't regulated and everyone wins. By making it illegal to have that option you've stricken the rights of everyone but people that agree with you.

You've really got it out for smokers huh? You want to throw beer around? Take it easy, I'm not insulting you or nonsmokers, but this thread is about America (USA to be specific) and since it was founded on freedoms, then I can't understand your want to limit them just because you don't agree. But then you are in the majority, so you can supress me and stifle my choices if you don't like them. People like you already have. You won, congrats. But please don't try to tell me your imposing your will on me is fair, it's not.

If you really want to throw beer in people's faces that's fine by me. But you should know that physical contact constitutes assault and whomever you throw it at then has the right to kick your @ss.

The piss (it was piss you were typing right?) analogy is just silly. But you know what if someone wanted to open a piss bar where people can just come in and piss on the floor, that's fine by me. I'll just make the choice not to go there. That's how choices work.

 

[moraldeficiency]

The only people that don't open businesses are the ones that fear taking risks.

Every single business that is in existence today started because the owner took a risk and didn't listen to the people that said "Nobody would buy that"

Damn fine point.