American Psycho

You read American Psycho for a class in High School, or you weren't eighteen when entering college? I ask because that does not seem like a book you would find in a lower education class.

Both, actually. I was a senior and the professor handed a list over of "dangerous" books that had been banned in the past, we were supposed to analyze them and write a report, the usual high school stuff.

And although I love Bale in American Psycho, I think it's a different kind of craziness than the Joker. I'm struggling to find the right words for what I mean but...Bale never picked "show-y" roles, he always enjoyed letting someone else take the spotlight (Crowe in 3:10, Ledger in TDK). Bateman wasn't as "show-y" or over the top as the Joker.
 
Both, actually. I was a senior and the professor handed a list over of "dangerous" books that had been banned in the past, we were supposed to analyze them and write a report, the usual high school stuff.

I see. Yeah, I did something similar, but there were still titles that were still "no no" because they were too graphic for lower education, according to them (of course, this was the South, so yeah...).
 
this move is amazing. i love it for how funny it is. love how sexist it is.

bale's performance in this film remains the best performance i've ever seen.
 
I'm a huge fan of Bale, and forever will be, for American Psycho, the Batman films, The Machinist, The Prestige... the list goes on and on.

It irks the hell out of me that so many people have turned on him. There are essentially two reasons for this, and none of it has to do with Bale's acting ability. First is the rant. Look, I'm not defending his actions, but seriously... all he did was cuss a guy out. Did he go over the top? Sure. But seriously, if the worst thing you've ever done is act like a bit of prima donna once and scream at a co-worker, I don't think that makes you a horrible person. And seriously, who really gives a crap about Shane Halibut or whatever his name is? Maybe he was constantly f**king up the scene, and when you're a committed actor, some guy interrupting your concentration can be a pain in the ass.

Second, is the fact the Terminator Salvation was a bad movie. This was not Bale's fault, nor was his performance in it terrible. People needed a scapegoat for the movie. They could blame McG, but if you blame McG then you also need to blame yourself for believing McG could deliver you anything other than crap. You could blame the screenwriters, but that would mean you'd need to point the finger (at least partially) at Jonah Nolan, and Thou Shalt Not Speak Evil of the Nolan Clan. They gave us TDK, which is clearly the greatest film in the history of cinema and should have won and oscar in every single category that year.

So who does that leave? The actors, namely the main characters, Bale and Worthington. Worthington I suppose gets a pass because hardly anyone in the U.S. had seen him in anything before, and because his character was written to be more likeable than Bale's.

But then here you have Bale, fresh off the rant that turned a bunch of people against him, playing a somewhat unlikeable hero that is hampered with bad dialogue ("I'll be back"). Plus, almost all of Connor's scenes were added after the script was written, so it created this awkward back-and-forth between the two main characters that didn't work well at all (mainly because they didn't give Connor anything interesting to do).

So in the end, people turned on Bale because he was an easy target. They wanted the movie to be great and when it wasn't, of course it had to be his fault. The reason I wholeheartedly believe this is because the complaints about Bale in T:S make no sense and can be easily nullified:

"All he did was yell!" They were on a battlefield for most of the film.

"He used his Batman voice!" No, he didn't. His voice was mildly low and gruff, as it usually is when he does an American accent.

"He sounded British." Again, no he didn't, Harry Knowles. Just because you got duped by McG into thinking the movie might be good doesn't mean you have to go making up bullsh** about it.

"He clearly didn't care about anything." Then when did he fly off the handle in the aformentioned rant? Who flips out like that if they don't give a crap about anything? And why did he work with the director and the screenwriter behind-the-scenes? If you want to blame him for the films problems in that regard (the direction and writing) then you might have a valid complaint. But his behind-the-scenes input might have had more to do with the fact that he was working with an incompetent hack of a director than anything else.

There ya go. That's my "Bale-Out" rant on Terminator Salvation.
 
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Ah, yes Rescue Dawn is kick ass. Not only is Bale great but he is an emotional anchor in the film. But all around I loved it.
 
I agree with pretty much everything you just typed That-Guy! As long as Bale stays away from films like TS, whether they were crap to begin with or had a bunch of stuff added in near the last minute, I think he can redeem himself in the eyes of the people who started talking crap about him.

I remember standing in line with my gf and one of my good friends for Transformers 2 on Imax and some guy with his friends right in front of us in the line was saying how terrible of an actor Bale is.

Hey, everyone has a right to their opinion and everyone has different taste but I don't care...that statement was absolute horse **** and yes, Rescue Dawn was also another great one. It was also nice to see Steve Zahn play a serious role for a change.
 
Thanks Figs. Yeah, I generally dismiss people who say Bale can't act, because if someone truly thinks that, they clearly know nothing about acting.

I have yet to find an actor out there who hasn't turned in at least one performance I didn't care for. In Bale's case, I didn't like him in Shaft and I'm Not There. But then, I didn't care much for those movies to begin with and I've seen him in plenty of other things where he's been flat-out amazing.

But most people who complain about him (like the ones you mentioned, I'd wager) have probably only seen him in Batman and Terminator. Thus they know very little about his ability.
 
Thanks Figs. Yeah, I generally dismiss people who say Bale can't act, because if someone truly thinks that, they clearly know nothing about acting.

I have yet to find an actor out there who hasn't turned in at least one performance I didn't care for. In Bale's case, I didn't like him in Shaft and I'm Not There. But then, I didn't care much for those movies to begin with and I've seen him in plenty of other things where he's been flat-out amazing.

But most people who complain about him (like the ones you mentioned, I'd wager) have probably only seen him in Batman and Terminator. Thus they know very little about his ability.

Another thing I never liked was how a good number of people were saying how horrible he was as Wayne in TDK, how he wasn't showing enough emotion. It made me question who actually reads the comics and who doesn't.

Aside from his act as the happy go lucky playboy in public, the real Wayne is pretty much dead inside and pretty much solely focused on the mission, he comes alive when he dons the cape and cowl. I think he was a great Wayne in TDK as well as BB. In BB he was't as depressed and somewhat emotionless but I like how he went into that side more in TDK because I just chalk it up to him getting exhausted and burnt out over the year or two after BB trying to clean up Gotham. That scene with all those bruises and scars on his back and arms just goes to show how much **** he's getting into.

What's the name of that movie where he plays the drug addicted boxer? That's another one I want to see not to mention I haven't seen Public Enemies yet and am ready for the grainy mess that I hear it is.
 
generally, the most rabid fanboys tend to be dismissive without actually knowing what they're talking about.

For example, with Ryan Reynolds or Chris Evans as Green Lantern and Captain America respectively, people were just judging on..a few films and not giving them a chance.

Sam Raimi and Bryan Singer. There are people who think they're just hacks because of Spidey 3 and Superman Returns. Not very fair when you look at their film resumes.
 
Another thing I never liked was how a good number of people were saying how horrible he was as Wayne in TDK, how he wasn't showing enough emotion. It made me question who actually reads the comics and who doesn't.

Aside from his act as the happy go lucky playboy in public, the real Wayne is pretty much dead inside and pretty much solely focused on the mission, he comes alive when he dons the cape and cowl. I think he was a great Wayne in TDK as well as BB. In BB he was't as depressed and somewhat emotionless but I like how he went into that side more in TDK because I just chalk it up to him getting exhausted and burnt out over the year or two after BB trying to clean up Gotham. That scene with all those bruises and scars on his back and arms just goes to show how much **** he's getting into.

What's the name of that movie where he plays the drug addicted boxer? That's another one I want to see not to mention I haven't seen Public Enemies yet and am ready for the grainy mess that I hear it is.

That film is called The Fighter and it's due out sometime this year. Sounds like it will be a great role for him. Plus Amy Adams is in it... yum. :woot:

Public Enemies is pretty good... I didn't really think it was too grainy... my only complaint about that film was the fact that they screwed up history a good bit (certain people die before they are supposed to). But hey, any movie where I get to see Channing Tatum get capped before he can utter a line of dialogue is A-OK in my book. :hehe:
 
generally, the most rabid fanboys tend to be dismissive without actually knowing what they're talking about.

For example, with Ryan Reynolds or Chris Evans as Green Lantern and Captain America respectively, people were just judging on..a few films and not giving them a chance.

Sam Raimi and Bryan Singer. There are people who think they're just hacks because of Spidey 3 and Superman Returns. Not very fair when you look at their film resumes.

While I thought Superman Returns was just ok and I was very disappointed with Spider-Man 3 but I still would never call or think of them as hacks. That's fanboyism at it's worst, too many people throw that term out there without knowing it's true meaning.

I'm really looking forward to both GL and Captain America and i'm curious and optimistic with Reynolds and Evans in those roles.

That film is called The Fighter and it's due out sometime this year. Sounds like it will be a great role for him. Plus Amy Adams is in it... yum. :woot:

Thanks for the info!

Public Enemies is pretty good... I didn't really think it was too grainy... my only complaint about that film was the fact that they screwed up history a good bit (certain people die before they are supposed to). But hey, any movie where I get to see Channing Tatum get capped before he can utter a line of dialogue is A-OK in my book. :hehe:

That is awesome! I know it's a bit '90s but where is the fist pump smily when you need it. I guess this one will have to do. :awesome:
 
Yeah, I didn't even realize it was him and then as he's laying there dying, I was like "Oh, it's that *****e from G.I. Joe! Thank God he got shot before he could say anything!"
 
Ah, yes Rescue Dawn is kick ass. Not only is Bale great but he is an emotional anchor in the film. But all around I loved it.
That's the closest thing to a 'nice guy' I've seen Bale play, and he did it very well.
 
Nah, watch The New World. He's the most laid back I've ever seen him. He never raised his voice. When he was digging Pocahantas I half expected him to shout, "DO YOU WANNA GO ON DATE WITH ME OR NOT? GIVE ME A ****ING ANSWER!"

Anyone of you guys seen this video of American Psycho meets Pineapple Express? It's extremely well edited. Genius.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOUSSWtyqWw
 
I agree fully with Figs and That Guy.

But I guess we have to remember that we are on the Internet. And when something becomes popular, it is more prone to attack.

But the one thing that I do, I will admit myself I have attacked films, not attacking people but the film. The latest I did that with is Avatar. But one thing I at least can do, is admit that I'm in a minority. I was the only one of my friends that did not enjoy it, and apparently the world did. So I can retain my opinion that I did not care for it, but I can admit I'm in a minority and maybe I'm really wrong, or just simply in a minority. So I respect what others have to say on it.

But I think many on the internet, (I have had it happen myself) can easily get into two things. 1. Hype. 2. Hate. Though of course not everyone does it, but I admit myself I've been susceptible to it.

But also we are on a Superhero board. And I think many are just pissed that Batman is so loved and popular right now. And Batman may not be their favorite super hero, (which is completely fine). And I think some just lash out on in more for that sake. But some day Batman will be de-throned or share the throne with some one else, and they will all get attacked.

But yea I think the Bale hate is odd. Bale is an amazing actor, and he was wonderful in all his films, (though TS I did not care for that as much).

But I think That Guy and Figs put things way better than me.
 
I agree fully with Figs and That Guy.

But I guess we have to remember that we are on the Internet. And when something becomes popular, it is more prone to attack.

But the one thing that I do, I will admit myself I have attacked films, not attacking people but the film. The latest I did that with is Avatar. But one thing I at least can do, is admit that I'm in a minority. I was the only one of my friends that did not enjoy it, and apparently the world did. So I can retain my opinion that I did not care for it, but I can admit I'm in a minority and maybe I'm really wrong, or just simply in a minority. So I respect what others have to say on it.

But I think many on the internet, (I have had it happen myself) can easily get into two things. 1. Hype. 2. Hate. Though of course not everyone does it, but I admit myself I've been susceptible to it.

But also we are on a Superhero board. And I think many are just pissed that Batman is so loved and popular right now. And Batman may not be their favorite super hero, (which is completely fine). And I think some just lash out on in more for that sake. But some day Batman will be de-throned or share the throne with some one else, and they will all get attacked.

But yea I think the Bale hate is odd. Bale is an amazing actor, and he was wonderful in all his films, (though TS I did not care for that as much).

But I think That Guy and Figs put things way better than me.

Hey, nothing wrong with not enjoying a movie. Just because Avatar was immensely popular doesn't mean anyone HAS to like it. I personally enjoyed it, but I won't fault anyone who didn't.

You do bring up a good point about this being a superhero board. I haven't noticed it as much recently, but I remember back when Batman Begins was in production (and there were doubts about how good it would be, given the previous Batman films) there was all of this ridiculous fighting between fans of various superhero franchises. It was really pretty ridiculous because it's not like these are sports teams. They're not directly competing with each other so... just like what you like and ignore what you don't. I don't know why some people find that to be such a strange concept.
 
I'm a huge fan of Bale, and forever will be, for American Psycho, the Batman films, The Machinist, The Prestige... the list goes on and on.

It irks the hell out of me that so many people have turned on him. There are essentially two reasons for this, and none of it has to do with Bale's acting ability. First is the rant. Look, I'm not defending his actions, but seriously... all he did was cuss a guy out. Did he go over the top? Sure. But seriously, if the worst thing you've ever done is act like a bit of prima donna once and scream at a co-worker, I don't think that makes you a horrible person. And seriously, who really gives a crap about Shane Halibut or whatever his name is? Maybe he was constantly f**king up the scene, and when you're a committed actor, some guy interrupting your concentration can be a pain in the ass.

Second, is the fact the Terminator Salvation was a bad movie. This was not Bale's fault, nor was his performance in it terrible. People needed a scapegoat for the movie. They could blame McG, but if you blame McG then you also need to blame yourself for believing McG could deliver you anything other than crap. You could blame the screenwriters, but that would mean you'd need to point the finger (at least partially) at Jonah Nolan, and Thou Shalt Not Speak Evil of the Nolan Clan. They gave us TDK, which is clearly the greatest film in the history of cinema and should have won and oscar in every single category that year.

So who does that leave? The actors, namely the main characters, Bale and Worthington. Worthington I suppose gets a pass because hardly anyone in the U.S. had seen him in anything before, and because his character was written to be more likeable than Bale's.

But then here you have Bale, fresh off the rant that turned a bunch of people against him, playing a somewhat unlikeable hero that is hampered with bad dialogue ("I'll be back"). Plus, almost all of Connor's scenes were added after the script was written, so it created this awkward back-and-forth between the two main characters that didn't work well at all (mainly because they didn't give Connor anything interesting to do).

So in the end, people turned on Bale because he was an easy target. They wanted the movie to be great and when it wasn't, of course it had to be his fault. The reason I wholeheartedly believe this is because the complaints about Bale in T:S make no sense and can be easily nullified:

"All he did was yell!" They were on a battlefield for most of the film.

"He used his Batman voice!" No, he didn't. His voice was mildly low and gruff, as it usually is when he does an American accent.

"He sounded British." Again, no he didn't, Harry Knowles. Just because you got duped by McG into thinking the movie might be good doesn't mean you have to go making up bullsh** about it.

"He clearly didn't care about anything." Then when did he fly off the handle in the aformentioned rant? Who flips out like that if they don't give a crap about anything? And why did he work with the director and the screenwriter behind-the-scenes? If you want to blame him for the films problems in that regard (the direction and writing) then you might have a valid complaint. But his behind-the-scenes input might have had more to do with the fact that he was working with an incompetent hack of a director than anything else.

There ya go. That's my "Bale-Out" rant on Terminator Salvation.


I agree with everything you said here. I've noticed the constant backlash too. I will say that it's not just because of the rant and TS being a bad movie, although that is probably 75% of it. The other 25% is due to his Batman voice, which ironically enough was just as much the director's fault as the actor's. But as you said, no one wants to call Nolan to the carpet for that (especially with TDK, where there was actually post-production effects on the voice). It's so much easier to dump all the blame on Bale and then start making generalizations about him as an actor. You want great acting, look no further than the likes of American Psycho or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPiT4sd8Zlo

I challenge anyone who thinks Bale can't act to watch that clip above and seriously continue to think he has no talent.


What's the name of that movie where he plays the drug addicted boxer? That's another one I want to see not to mention I haven't seen Public Enemies yet and am ready for the grainy mess that I hear it is.

It's not grainy. Grain occurs when a movie is shot on film. Public Enemies was shot with digital cameras and there was no artificial grain added like with 300. It looks like a cheap home video and there's a lot of digital noise. It's much uglier than film grain.
 
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I agree with everything you said here. I've noticed the constant backlash too. I will say that it's not just because of the rant and TS being a bad movie, although that is probably 75% of it. The other 25% is due to his Batman voice, which ironically enough was just as much the director's fault as the actor's. But as you said, no one wants to call Nolan to the carpet for that (especially with TDK, where there was actually post-production effects on the voice). It's so much easier to dump all the blame on Bale and then start making generalizations about him as an actor. You want great acting, look no further than the likes of American Psycho or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPiT4sd8Zlo

I challenge anyone who thinks Bale can't act to watch that clip above and seriously continue to think he has no talent.

People who think Bale can't act shouldn't even watch movies. I'm serious. Or, better yet, they should be strapped to a chair and forced to watch every Jennifer Lopez movie ever made until they finally come to understand what bad acting truly is.

In regards to the bat-voice... I think it's one of those things you either love or hate, I suppose. I'm sort of torn on it, I guess. I like the way it sounds but it's gotten made fun of so much that part of me wishes he didn't do it, simply because now, when I hear it, I think of that youtube video were the guy makes fun of the TDK interrogation scene.

But I think people who make fun of the voice are sort of missing the point... 1. Bruce Wayne has to disguise his true voice somehow 2. As Batman, he is channeling his agression and rage through his creation and 3. as an actor, Bale didn't just want to do a Michael Keaton impression.

As for the changes to Batman's voice (digitally) in TDK... yeah, if you didn't like that, blame Nolan. Bale had no control over that. Maybe it would have sounded worse if they didn't tamper with it, but we'll never know. Personally, I thought it sounded okay.
 
I actually like Bale's Batman voice.

Rewatched 3:10 To Yuma last weekend. That movie is underrated.
 
I'm currently noticing a trend of people saying on other threads that Bale can only play intense and angry - I've even seen a suggestion that he should do a comedy.

I'm sorry, but what is the movie version of AP if it is not a black comedy?

Bale is frigging intentionally hilarious as Bateman at times. Add to that the other aspects of his range that AP allows him to showcase and anyone with half a brain or a modicum of good taste should be able to tell that the guys a very good actor.

Bale's one big problem as I see it is that he's obviously cut out to be a character actor as opposed to being pigeon-holed by Hollywood as a movie star.
 

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