The Force Awakens Andy Serkis as Supreme Leader Snoke - Part 1

[Snow Queen]

He is probably

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Darth Plageuis

I really doubt that.




If only I could add it to the "theories I'm glad were dashed" thread.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

I really doubt that.




If only I could add it to the "theories I'm glad were dashed" thread.

If he isn't ...he is someone like him...

 

[Snow Queen]

If he isn't ...he is someone like him...

Why exactly though? All we know about Plagueis is that he was Palpatine's master and could cheat death. All we know about Snoke is he [BLACKOUT]seduced Kylo[/BLACKOUT], leads the First Order and [BLACKOUT]flies around the galaxy in a mobile base to avoid being tracked down.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[BatLobster]

Snoke in this movie was a bit of a misfire to me. In terms of the quality motion capture (I still don't even see why it HAD to be motion capture), performance, everything...it just sadly fell pretty flat for me. However, I'm still intrigued to know more about him and there definitely seems to be a bit a hint of Wizard of Oz syndrome going on with him. So I'm willing to reevaluate that stance once I've seen the whole trilogy.

I will say, not saying it means anything, but I did notice that Snoke's droney choral theme does very much resemble the opera music in ROTS when Palpatine tells the story of Darth Plagueis The Wise. Again, NOT saying it means he's Plagueis but at the very least it seems like there could be some inspiration taken from him.

 

[venom892]

It seemed to me he was quite scared of Luke. I could see Luke being the one who gave him those scars.

 

[redhawk23]

With the design they went with there was no real reason for this to be a mocapped character.

 

[GuestStar2004]

i think plagueis is a growing possibility since many were speculating it could be him because of certain details revealed about him and then his theme is released and sounds similar to what we heard in ROTS during the very scene plagueis was mentioned

It might not be him but wow the coincidence just keep coming

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The music sound similar to something related to the Dark side? No way.

 

[summerteeth]

With the design they went with there was no real reason for this to be a mocapped character.

Isn't it a bit too soon to really make this statement?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah, with the way his facial structure was set up specifically i think mocap was the right choice.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The music sound similar to something related to the Dark side? No way.

The sidious theme most certainly wasn't the same and that was related to the dark side

Like i said this certainly would be a surprising coincidence especially if JJ or john Williams did not go back to see that scene from episode 3

 

[Roose Bolton]

I don't think the theory has been disproven one way or another, but I really don't think Snoke being Plagueis would add all that much.

Plagueis is a character that we know some stuff about, and while certain elements of the character haven't exactly been confirmed as having crossed over into the new canon, we know that Lucasfilm Story Group at the very least allowed James Luceno to heavily reference his pre-Disney novel detailing Plagueis' life and nature. Luceno is probably the best EU writer they've got, but I don't believe they would allow the villain of their next big film trilogy to be determined in any way by something fashioned in the expanded media.

 

[BatLobster]

The Plagueis theory actually seems to be more popular now that the movie's out. I honestly don't think it's something people ought to be mocking at this point, I think it's still very much on the table. Anything is possible, and the fact that this movie did such a great job sprinkling in so much backstory and exposition leads me to believe there's no reason that couldn't continue doing that throughout the trilogy and they couldn't pull off such a reveal later. Remember, to the GA the reveal wouldn't necessarily be in the name, but in the fact that this guy had once been the EMPEROR's master- thus raising the stakes. Found this post elswhere:


Why I think Snoke is Darth Plagueis:

• He bares very similar resemblance to Darth Plagueis' Muun species
• Snoke appears to have an injury to his mandible and around the lower jaw region, similar to Darth Plagueis after his attempted assassination in the EU
• Rey's staff appears to be almost identical to Darth Plagueis' lightsaber staff, the staff also appears too frequently and I am certain will have significance later on
• The big one: the background theme music is the same as when Darth Sidious was telling Anakin Skywalker the tale of 'Darth Plagueis the wise'
• Perhaps Darth Plagueis did learn to defeat death and lived in secrecy. With all his wisdom, he may have foretold the empires downfall and when to finally reveal himself
• I believe Snoke was confirmed to be 7 foot tall in reality, which is in keeping with the height of the Muun species
• Another big clue: Plagueis seduced a young Palpatine to the dark side when he manipulated him to kill his father. After Kylo Ren killed his father, Snoke mentioned that it's time to complete his training. This could be reference to Snoke transforming Ren into a Sith, if he is indeed Darth Plagueis.

I think he could in fact be Plagueis without the name "Darth Plagueis" every being uttered once in the new trilogy. All they need to reveal is that he was once the Emperor's master, was betrayed...but was able to foresee the fall of the Empire and waited until the right time to emerge once again. The hardcore fans would know it's Plagueis, the GA would get the gist of it...an ancient evil returning. Very simple, familiar concept.

"The supreme leader is wise."- Kylo Ren

 

[Longshot777]

The Plagueis theory actually seems to be more popular now that the movie's out. I honestly don't think it's something people ought to be mocking at this point, I think it's still on the table. Anything is possible, and the fact that this movie did such a great job sprinkling in so much backstory and exposition leads me to believe there's no reason that couldn't continue doing that throughout the trilogy and they couldn't pull off such a reveal later. Remember, to the GA the reveal wouldn't necessarily be in the name, but in the fact that this guy had once been the EMPEROR's master- thus raising the stakes. Found this post elsewhere:

Why I think Snoke is Darth Plagueis:

• He bares very similar resemblance to Darth Plagueis' Muun species
• Snoke appears to have an injury to his mandible and around the lower jaw region, similar to Darth Plagueis after his attempted assassination in the EU
• Rey's staff appears to be almost identical to Darth Plagueis' lightsaber staff, the staff also appears too frequently and I am certain will have significance later on
• The big one: the background theme music is the same as when Darth Sidious was telling Anakin Skywalker the tale of 'Darth Plagueis the wise'
• Perhaps Darth Plagueis did learn to defeat death and lived in secrecy. With all his wisdom, he may have foretold the empires downfall and when to finally reveal himself
• I believe Snoke was confirmed to be 7 foot tall in reality, which is in keeping with the height of the Muun species
• Another big clue: Plagueis seduced a young Palpatine to the dark side when he manipulated him to kill his father. After Kylo Ren killed his father, Snoke mentioned that it's time to complete his training. This could be reference to Snoke transforming Ren into a Sith, if he is indeed Darth Plagueis.

Cool!! You have converted me!!

Hence forth Snoke will be known as Darth Plagueis.

 

[Boom]

He really is an amalgam of Gollum, Voldemort, and Mason Verger.

 

[StarLord]

Snoke has been added on StarWars.com. No picture though. The art book is out, I was hoping for some pics from that in HQ.

 

[Lily Adler]

Did they ever mention Plagueis's real name in the novel? I can't remember.

 

[BatLobster]

Hego Damask. But that's no longer canon. His real name could be anything, and they can just cherry pick elements back into canon like they've been doing with all the other Legends material.

 

[Lily Adler]

Thanks. I don't know why I thought it was Hugo Damask. The whole non-canon thing does explain why it was removed from the Wookiepedia, too. So I guess Plagueis not believing in the Sith Order is not canon anymore either?

 

[craigdbfan]

Snoke theme:

Dark Plagueis theme:

They're pretty much identical. That's a fairly big coincidence if you ask me. Plus his desire to have a clone army makes me think it's him as well as I feel Palpatine probably used plans originally created by Plagueis in the PT.

 

[BatLobster]

Snoke theme:

Dark Plagueis theme:

They're pretty much identical. That's a fairly big coincidence if you ask me. Plus his desire to have a clone army makes me think it's him as well as I feel Palpatine probably used plans originally created by Plagueis in the PT.

I agree. Sure, you can just shrug off the musical similarity as, "meh, dark side" but we had never heard anything remotely like that from Williams until ROTS, and now here it is popping up again. It's the only thing you can compare it to musically. The Emperor's theme is not nearly that low, and it's more musical. You can hum it. Not so with these pieces.

The music has always been a big part of the storytelling in Star Wars. Personally I would love for Snoke to turn out to be Plagueis now JUST because the musical foreshadowing alone would make it very satisfying in a broad, saga-sense.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I suspect he is Darth Plagueis

 

[BH/HHH]

With the design they went with there was no real reason for this to be a mocapped character.

Agreed, I think had he been an actor in makeup I'd have probably hit disliked him. For me he was the worst part of the film.

 

[Lily Adler]

Darth Skywalker is gonna have a conniption once he sees all this.

 

[BatLobster]

The only thing I think is dumb about the theory is the staff. I really don't think that has anything to do with it, and is just there as a device to help justify why Rey is competent swinging a saber around later in the film.

But I think there are definitely legitimate things in there that could be hints. A couple of my friends last night just assumed he was Plagueis, and they had no idea about any of the online speculation.