The Dark Knight Rises Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle/Catwoman XXV

[Naked Shia]

I'm going to bed. You have to wait until tomorrow before answering me now, or it won't be fair.

 

[Sharkboy]

Well said.

She also made the movie with this line:

Catwoman: Please. I wouldn't touch you to scratch you.

Penguin: You lousy minx, I oughta have you spayed! You sent out all the signals!!

Great line and her delivery was even better.

My personal favourite was;

Selina Kyle: And was Vicki right about your difficulty with duality?

Bruce Wayne: See, if I say 'Yes' then you're going to think of me as a Norman Bates/Ted Bundy-type and, uh...well, you might not let me kiss you.

Selina Kyle: It's the so-called normal guys who let you down. Sickos never scare me. At least they're committed.

It's that single exchange that plays up everything, from Bruce's charm, to Selina's wit, their chemistry completely sizzles in this film, you cannot deny Burton's ability to heat up the screen in what is usually a dark, cold atmosphere. It's what i worry about in Nolan's version, for a director who is so used to playing things cold and detached, can he really pull off exchanges like this?

 

[Sharkboy]

Batman Returns borrows heavily from German Expressionism. A lot of the themes in the movie are abstract. It's not a Nolan movie where the point of the movie is explained in a monologue.

Probably why BR remains as my second favourite bat-film. It's such a wonderful love letter to an entire era of film making, from it's sets, acting, story, characters and music, using Batman and his rogue's gallery to tell the story...it's a fantastic elseworlds tale. If people don't like elseworlds...then they shouldn't like Nolan's films, because that's exactly what they are.

 

[BrazilianBatFan]

It's a lot more than "ordinary woman turns psychotic". in many ways it's a liberation, she's sexualized, independent and aggressive, she takes what she wants instead of having her ideas mocked and shot down in front of her by a table of men, it's kind of a good thing, because she gets her man, she walks in charms the pants off Bruce to the point where he blankly stares at her, she stupifies Batman who despite her antagonism is charmed by her, and pretty much Bruce is begging for it, but her constant obsession and need for revenge against Max Schrek finally clash with her storybook ending, and she unfortunately chooses revenge over a life with Batman.

It's more than quirky resurrection zombie catwoman, her character borders on strong female heroine/villainous conniving jezebel very well, which is pretty much in line with what Catwoman is ultimately about, no?

I can only hope that Anne manages to find that amount of depth in the character.

Precisely, let's not forget that the BR's Catwoman was placed in a very extreme place. IMO, that Selna was always Catwoman but had always been scared of her true face. That's why she tried so hard to be nice all the time and have everything perfect like a good girl. Burton chose to have a very dramatic "transformation" scene because it's his style. However, he and Michelle understood the character beautifully. They respected Catwoman's essence to a very high degree despite of the "ressurection".

I know many fans don't like the ending of BR concerning Batman and Catwoman. I LOVE it. Firstly, I don't have a problem with Batman showing some guts and being open about his feelings. Secondly, Catwoman's decision shows she understands herself. She knows she wouldn't be able to go back and pretend about who she really was in order to be Mrs Wayne. Thirdly, the last scene is perfection they went down different paths but would always be in each other lives/ thoughts.

I have to say the see many people critize Burton's movies is annoying to me. I love them and I love Nolan's movies. There's nothing wrong with that. They have different approaches. So what? It's not the first time this happens with 70 year old characters as Batman and Catwoman.

Sometimes, it seems some guys around here are insecure about the new version and have the need to bash Pfeiffer. Don't do it. She gave us a perfect Catwoman for the universe she was working with.

Will Hathaway do the same? I hope so. We have very good indication that she will. Let's wait and let's not be confused about the merits. Some things in this interpretion are the Nolans's merit, and some will be Anne's. Again, let's wait. And wonderful movie to us all!

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The whole Selina's arc is more about her and Shreck, and him being the true evil. Which I think is disappointing, because in the end, she's only acting for revenge, which is not out of character, but shouldn't, IMO, be Selina's main motivation.

Her story arc mirrors Batman's from the first film. Batman grows as he sees himself in her. Revenge is a very personal motivation, and since Selina only plays for one team, herself: it's an apt theme to base an arc on.

 

[Sharkboy]

Precisely, let's not forget that the BR's Catwoman was placed in a very extreme place. IMO, that Selna was always Catwoman but had always been scared of her true face. That's why she tried so hard to be nice all the time and have everything perfect like a good girl. Burton chose to have a very dramatic "transformation" scene because it's his style. However, he and Michelle understood the character beautifully. They respected Catwoman's essence to a very high degree despite of the "ressurection".

I know many fans don't like the ending of BR concerning Batman and Catwoman. I LOVE it. Firstly, I don't have a problem with Batman showing some guts and being open about his feelings. Secondly, Catwoman's decision shows she understands herself. She knows she wouldn't be able to go back and pretend about who she really was in order to be Mrs Wayne. Thirdly, the last scene is perfection they went down different paths but would always be in each other lives/ thoughts.

I have to say the see many people critize Burton's movies is annoying to me. I love them and I love Nolan's movies. There's nothing wrong with that. They have different approaches. So what? It's not the first time this happens with 70 year old characters as Batman and Catwoman.

Sometimes, it seems some guys around here are insecure about the new version and have the need to bash Pfeiffer. Don't do it. She gave us a perfect Catwoman for the universe she was working with.

Will Hathaway do the same? I hope so. We have very good indication that she will. Let's wait and let's not be confused about the merits. Some things in this interpretion are the Nolans's merit, and some will be Anne's. Again, let's wait. And wonderful movie to us all!

Well yeah that's the thing, she is never really meant to live happily ever after with Bruce "in his castle like a fairytale", it's just not her, it's not how she's ever been written, if they did that, THEN it would be a major turnaround in the spirit of the character, then you can call her Catwoman In Name Only, yet people only seem to focus on aesthetics and superficial elements like claws and a whip...it's very likely Anne's performance will silence those people. For example, i don't really see anyone complaining that Joker's skin isn't white anymore.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Will Hathaway do the same? I hope so. We have very good indication that she will. Let's wait and let's not be confused about the merits. Some things in this interpretion are the Nolans's merit, and some will be Anne's. Again, let's wait. And wonderful movie to us all!

Beautiful analysis.

The only thing I'm not sure about Nolan's Selina K. for now, is the chemistry between her and Bruce W. The second trailer didn't show much, the scene was obscure, without any lines from Bruce. But I think it's SUPER IMPORTANT for these characters. And I really want to see it working in their case.

 

[BrazilianBatFan]

Beautiful analysis.

The only thing I'm not sure about Nolan's Selina K. for now, is the chemistry between her and Bruce W. The second trailer didn't show much, the scene was obscure, without any lines from Bruce. But I think it's SUPER IMPORTANT for these characters. And I really want to see it working in their case.

Thank you. Yes, I understand your concern, but personally I doubt Nolan will go down that path. I think in TDKR, Bruce will have chemistry with Miranda Tate and Batman with Catwoman.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I really want to see a Batman/Catwoman chase scene...

 

[BuddhaWasABat]

I really want to see a Batman/Catwoman chase scene...

I'm with you there.

 

[MultipleJesuses]

I really want to see a Batman/Catwoman chase scene...

And a scene with them fighting against each other but end up in a "steamy embrace".
Sensual.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Thank you. Yes, I understand your concern, but personally I doubt Nolan will go down that path. I think in TDKR, Bruce will have chemistry with Miranda Tate and Batman with Catwoman.

It's unrelated to the type of their relationship. It's more about energy. When two persons interact, it can be forced, or a little artificial, or it can be really intense. It's not only a matter of writing and screenplay. It's also about actors so-called compatibility.

 

[shauner111]

Even though Michelle did an amazing job with what she was given, i disagree that Burton nailed the essence of Catwoman. Why cuz she was in a black suit, a cowl and a whip and acted sexual? That's more like playing dress up.

When Selina Kyle is a blonde hair-nerdy-secretary who gets thrown out a window. Comes back to life like a zombie, revived by like 3 dozen cats who just HAPPEN to be in the same area. Proceeds to drink a whole carton of milk because apparently she's half cat/half human now & she's extreeeemely thirsty. When she woke from her fall she apparently woke up as a evil scorned woman with tons of confidence. She has some cool fight scenes on a rooftop with Batman ok fine but she finds it completely necessary to spit out some cheesy cat-puns in the process. She's now trying to use Penguin, but in the meantime she gets hungry for the little birdy in the Penguins cage. Oh and don't forget, she has 9 lives. You can shoot her as many times as you like, or drop her from as high as you wish, as long as it's no more than 8 times!!

Yaaa of course Burton got the "essence" of the character.

The only thing that felt like something Selina would do was her interactions with Bruce and the final scene of the movie.

 

[MultipleJesuses]

Can we please go back to posting hot pics of Anne?
I'm sick of these interesting arguments

 

[OutOfBoose]

Even though Michelle did an amazing job with what she was given, i disagree that Burton nailed the essence of Catwoman. Why cuz she was in a black suit, a cowl and a whip and acted sexual? That's more like playing dress up.

You completely missed everything that Burton put into the character. Read posts above, BrazillianBatFan, for example.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

You completely missed everything that Burton put into the character. Read posts above, BrazillianBatFan, for example.

It's been 20 years... he can't see it, because he doesn't want to see it.

We can throw ''expressionism'' around all we want. Won't make a difference.


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I mean, I wouldn't say that Nolan's Ra's was that close to the comics, but he still evoked the characters personality well.

 

[shauner111]

You completely missed everything that Burton put into the character. Read posts above, BrazillianBatFan, for example.

I dont think i have, but if ur right and ive missed everything hes put into the character then..maybe i think its being outweighed by the dozens of awful, ridiculous things that just arent my cup of tea. different strokes for different folks. ive mentioned the things i appreciate but the negatives outweigh the positives for me

 

[kvz5]

I really want to see a sensual Batman/Catwoman chase scene...

Fixed.

 

[Nevincer]

Can we please go back to posting hot pics of Anne?
I'm sick of these interesting arguments

 

[elgato]

batman returns borrows heavily from german expressionism. A lot of the themes in the movie are abstract. It's not a nolan movie where the point of the movie is explained in a monologue.

this

 

[Street Vendor]

I know this isn't the topic being discussed, and I apologize. But I wonder if Anne Hathaway was in Philly today? I was at the Continental bar in Center City, and a lady who looked exactly like Anne came in to the bar and took out an order of something to go. The bartender agreed with me that the woman in question was an Anne lookalike. I couldn't stop staring at her. I half expected her tell me what a forward old man I was being.

Ok, now back to BATMAN RETURNS.

 

[AnneFan]

Personally I don't know why people are trying so hard in arguing that she's not supernatural, like it would be automatically terrible if she was. What's so dangerous about her being ambiguously supernatural?

Except "o noez it's not true to the main comics!" Which is the silliest complaint I know of.

Yep. I am not ashamed of the supernatural aspect of BR's Selina. I like it. I bring up the ambiguousness because I believe Burton portrayed it in a certain mysterious way, just like Catwoman is, as the Gotham Alleys blog highlights. Not just one way or the highway, but with some complexity to it.

We really need some TDKR Catwoman news and pics.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Definitely. The biggest thing I expect from the trailer - Catwoman. Preferable - "dat ass" shot. We need to see her body, not only goggles and red lips. We saw them - awesome! Thank you! Move on to even more important parts.

 

[BrazilianBatFan]

It's unrelated to the type of their relationship. It's more about energy. When two persons interact, it can be forced, or a little artificial, or it can be really intense. It's not only a matter of writing and screenplay. It's also about actors so-called compatibility.

I see. I wouldn't worry if I were you because we have seen some set pictures that make it very clear that Anne and Bale got along very well. Besides, he has made a point in saying very nice things about her work in the movie. I think that when two actors have a good relationship on set we have the so-called chemistry on screen.

 

[The Guard]

Selina did not die in BATMAN RETURNS. There are supernatural overtones, but there is nothing actually supernatural about the events. This idea that Catwoman's transformation is supernatural, I blame on the creators of CATWOMAN, who actually made Patience Price's transformation supernatural, and gave her cat powers.

But in BATMAN RETURNS, Selina Kyle's transformation was psychological, and brought on by trauma after a lifetime of abuse and repressing her desire for independence and revenge. There's never a death scene, hence, she did not die.

She did "die" and was "reborn" after Shreck attacked her...but the death and rebirth are metaphorical, just like her metaphorical nine lives.

It was never meant to be literal. Or they would have been overt about the supernatural element.

She survived the gunshot wounds because people survive gunshot wounds all the time. It's luck.

The moment with Max is meant to illustrate her incredible luck in Burton's universe, similar to The Joker avoiding being hit by all the Batwing's weapons in BATMAN. He took some license, but she did not die, as evidenced by the final sequence.

A bunch of cats showing up to lick a woman who fell is not supernatural, it is coincidental and weird, but not supernatural.