Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[Dark Raven]

I can't imagine that Katie Cassidy probably likes all the attention that EBR gets all the time. At this point, she must wonder why she's billed second when EBR is practically taking that spot and KC's role is more equivalent to someone who is billed 5th.

Anyone remember this poster from season 2?

KC can't have been too happy about that, but probably said nothing.

 

[Slade W]

Regarding what Spideyville said, if that is the case, I find that understandable on Katie's part. She was most likely promised a greater role than she has been given, and has had to step back to allow others to shine (and they have been inferior characters IMO). We must also remember, that as an actress, once she gets older she will most likely get offered a smaller variety of roles, and roles that are much less interesting and challenging than what she will be offered at her current age. The best and most interesting roles that she will be offered in her career, are what she is being offered now and what she will be offered in the next few years. After that, it is most likely that she will be offered to play characters mothers. For actresses, having youthful and good looks are very important (much more so than they are with actors). If that rumour is true, it is understandable IMO. She should do what she feels is right for her career.

 

[Dark Raven]

If she stays any longer on the show she'll be playing Felicity's mother.

 

[SpideyVille]

I can't imagine that Katie Cassidy probably likes all the attention that EBR gets all the time. At this point, she must wonder why she's billed second when EBR is practically taking that spot and KC's role is more equivalent to someone who is billed 5th.

Anyone remember this poster from season 2?

KC can't have been too happy about that, but probably said nothing.

Damn ... She's behind the guy that initially only appeared in Flashbacks.

Considering this was at the start of the season before people knew his real role in the season, that makes it look worse.

 

[Dark Raven]

KC's face in that poster looks like she's starring at EBR from afar with resentment.

And Willa Holland has her body turned away from them too, as if she's shrugging her shoulders and saying "okay... well that happened!"

David Ramsey has his arms crossed as if he's in a huff that he has to share the limelight with EBR.

Manu Bennett is kind of looking at EBR as if to say "who is this girl again?"

 

[Lencho01]

I like Curtis, but unless he's replacing Felicity full-time, I don't see things going well for him. He may just be Ray 2.0, who is there for comic relief and distracting side plots.

Like going through the whole season to become Mr. Terrific.

 

[Reek]

Despite the fact that it is likely there will be a death that people will be unhappy about, I expect this episode to be a fast-paced, action-packed one. I expect it to be a good episode, despite it probably having a sad ending for a character that is one of my favourites, and has been since season 1.

wait is this the [BLACKOUT]Canary Cry[/BLACKOUT] episode or whatever?

 

[Slade W]

wait is this the [BLACKOUT]Canary Cry[/BLACKOUT] episode or whatever?

No, that is the rumoured name of the next episode. This is the episode that a character is going to die in.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Ahh that infamous poster, i always thought it was super shady, especially since they wanted to move away from O/L in every way imaginable.

KC has been fairly upfront at least when it comes to her thoughts on the evolution of the charecter and how she was disappointed and blind sided by the introduction of Sara/Canary. She probably had similar thoughts about Felicity but its understandable she would keep those to herself.

 

[Mike Murdock]

No.

Yikes, I'm glad I randomly clicked on this thread to see that. I definitely wouldn't have thought to check tomorrow.

 

[regnak]

These people are total hacks:


Mericle and Guggenheim said the writers didn't want to kill off the character in question, but they felt they needed to pay off the storyline set up in the premiere. At the time of the premiere, the writers hadn't yet figured out who they were going to put in the grave.


from here:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...-tease-grave-reveal-880680?utm_source=twitter


you know who is dying because they stuck to a stupid idea from the premier.

 

[SpideyVille]

You know, I was listening to the Quiver podcasts earlier today, from the lsast few episodes, and they bring up a great point, which is clearly demonstrated above.

Basically, Arrow doesn't write story for the sake of the show, they do it for the sake of a headline. Their arcs are done to draw headlines, as opposed to progress the story. And the biggest things I've heard repeated by the hosts is that Arrow severely lacks "consistency of character," meaning none of the characters do or say things that are consistent to who they were in previous episodes, which is absolutely true, and the biggest victim is Felicity. In season one and two, she would completely understand why Oliver would keep William a secret, not to mention, she would understand that she is one of the few people he trusted with his big secret, which is that he is the Green Arrow. But this season and last, Felicity hasn't shown that understanding at all, and it all starts with how the characters are written.

 

[dsfjr1190]

I quit the show during season 3 and occasionally popped back in for the crossovers or just had the tv on because a better show was coming on after it.

Here are the reason's I quit watching:
1. The stupid way they killed Sara.
2. Making Olicity angsty. The writers didn't seem the realize that the lack of angst was the reason Olicity became so popular in the first place.
3. Ray Palmer. He was annoying as hell.
4. Laurel. I never liked the character or the actress, but having Sara killed off for her to become BC was the final straw.
5. Oliver became so very stupid. The writers even came out and said that they intentionally make him stupid to get the plot where they want it to go.
6. Terrible Ra's
7. Malcolm was annoying


The funny thing is I really like Oliver and Ray and even Ra's in their appearances on The Flash and Legends (both of those shows are great). Are the Arrow writers just that bad?

So has it gotten any better since season 3? Or should I just stick to the other DC shows.

 

[Dark Raven]

Stick with the other shows. It has gotten worse.

 

[Batsfan1]

I know what I'm going to do tomorrow at 8pm. I'll be continuing my rewatch of Buffy tVS. I'm getting to season 2 tomorrow. I'm done with Arrow. Have a very great everyone!

God bless everyone!

 

[AspieXLDS]

I know what I'm going to do tomorrow at 8pm. I'll be continuing my rewatch of Buffy tVS. I'm getting to season 2 tomorrow. I'm done with Arrow. Have a very great everyone!

God bless everyone!

Excellent show to rewatch. You know what I find funny? Is how the showrunners (Berlanti, Kreisberg, and Guggenheim more than Mericle) have all said they take their cue from BtVS. But if I had to pick a Whedon property they are 'spiritual successors' of, it would be "Angel". Why? Well, let's take a look.

Main character is a tortured, brooding anti-hero who only cares about his mission initially - Check with Oliver/Angel.

MC gets a 'conscience figure' who is at first male but then switches over to a woman - check, just Arrow took longer for it to happen than Angel. This was Diggle/Felicity and Doyle/Cordelia, in case anyone's wondering.

MC finds himself building a team that gives him a connection to his humanity: for Angel it was Doyle, Cordy, Wes initially. For Oliver it was Diggle, Felicity, and occasionally Tommy/Laurel/Thea.

Somewhat budding romance between MC and female conscience figure/pop culture guru for the first two seasons: Angel/Cordy build up matches with Oliver/Felicity build up.

Third and Fourth Seasons has the MC and his new love interest having an angsty, tortured romance that simply won't work out because the love interest eventually can't be with the MC due to their penchant for secrets or because of seeing who they really are: Angel/Cordy have a problematic relationship due to Darla and then Connor, and finally Season 4 happens and anyone whose seen that knows the crapstorm that happened. Oliver/Felicity may ride off into the sunset in Season 3 of Arrow, but eventually Felicity decides she can't be with Oliver because a part of him will always be the man who returned from the island to save the city on his own, akin to Cordelia telling Angel she can't be with him because when she was a higher power she saw him as Angelus. Now, some people explain this away as being what's her face, Jasmine...

Finally, one theme is that at first the titular hero is the one calling the shots and people follow his lead, but eventually they are marginalized on their own show and while everyone can heap abuse on the titular hero, criticizing the female lead is akin to devil-worship.

 

[Batsfan1]

Excellent show to rewatch. You know what I find funny? Is how the showrunners (Berlanti, Kreisberg, and Guggenheim more than Mericle) have all said they take their cue from BtVS. But if I had to pick a Whedon property they are 'spiritual successors' of, it would be "Angel". Why? Well, let's take a look.

Main character is a tortured, brooding anti-hero who only cares about his mission initially - Check with Oliver/Angel.

MC gets a 'conscience figure' who is at first male but then switches over to a woman - check, just Arrow took longer for it to happen than Angel. This was Diggle/Felicity and Doyle/Cordelia, in case anyone's wondering.

MC finds himself building a team that gives him a connection to his humanity: for Angel it was Doyle, Cordy, Wes initially. For Oliver it was Diggle, Felicity, and occasionally Tommy/Laurel/Thea.

Somewhat budding romance between MC and female conscience figure/pop culture guru for the first two seasons: Angel/Cordy build up matches with Oliver/Felicity build up.

Third and Fourth Seasons has the MC and his new love interest having an angsty, tortured romance that simply won't work out because the love interest eventually can't be with the MC due to their penchant for secrets or because of seeing who they really are: Angel/Cordy have a problematic relationship due to Darla and then Connor, and finally Season 4 happens and anyone whose seen that knows the crapstorm that happened. Oliver/Felicity may ride off into the sunset in Season 3 of Arrow, but eventually Felicity decides she can't be with Oliver because a part of him will always be the man who returned from the island to save the city on his own, akin to Cordelia telling Angel she can't be with him because when she was a higher power she saw him as Angelus. Now, some people explain this away as being what's her face, Jasmine...

Well, we know it was. They lay it all out for us to understand that Jasmine is behind that issue. If they take from Angel, then they do it very not well. Because Angel is far better, even at it's worst. But Angel and Cordelia barely had any problems as a relationship with Darla and Connor in season 3. It really only started getting angsty really in season 4 too. Angel very much fleshed out their characters far better than Arrow does. Have a very great day!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

 

[Paradox1]

I use to watch Angel too til Cordella slept Angels son then I was done.

 

[Batsfan1]

I use to watch Angel too til Cordella slept Angels son then I was done.

It was revealed that that wasn't Cordelia really. Cordelia had been possessed by something and slept with Angel's son so that it could give birth to itself. Yeah, I don't know what the writers were thinking with that either. I hope that changes your mind. It had some pretty good episodes after that happened. Have a very great day!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

 

[batdude]

It's been a while, but I started listening to the most recent episode Quiver: The Green Arrow Podcast, and man, those two there just outright refused to commentate over the Cupid episode. I was actually expecting them to boycott the last episode.

They do provide some great insight though, and while they don't like to comment on rumors, they did mention the one about Laurel and it sounds like KC might've asked out of her contract because her role has been reduced greatly than what was promised at the start of the series.

Normally, that might sound like a Diva move, but as they point out, she has reached a point in her career where she can play that card, and she has a very strong case for doing so. As the female lead, she got pushed to the side for another character that played her superhero role, and then pushed to the back by another character that plays her romantic. personal role.

The whole thing is weird though, because if Cassidy didn't like the character or her castmates or whatever, she wouldn't have to do the conventions or the Flash/LOT guest appearances. It could just be Guggenheim, but I don't think they will admit that until it is cancelled.

 

[Slade W]

Excellent show to rewatch. You know what I find funny? Is how the showrunners (Berlanti, Kreisberg, and Guggenheim more than Mericle) have all said they take their cue from BtVS. But if I had to pick a Whedon property they are 'spiritual successors' of, it would be "Angel". Why? Well, let's take a look.

Main character is a tortured, brooding anti-hero who only cares about his mission initially - Check with Oliver/Angel.

MC gets a 'conscience figure' who is at first male but then switches over to a woman - check, just Arrow took longer for it to happen than Angel. This was Diggle/Felicity and Doyle/Cordelia, in case anyone's wondering.

MC finds himself building a team that gives him a connection to his humanity: for Angel it was Doyle, Cordy, Wes initially. For Oliver it was Diggle, Felicity, and occasionally Tommy/Laurel/Thea.

Somewhat budding romance between MC and female conscience figure/pop culture guru for the first two seasons: Angel/Cordy build up matches with Oliver/Felicity build up.

Third and Fourth Seasons has the MC and his new love interest having an angsty, tortured romance that simply won't work out because the love interest eventually can't be with the MC due to their penchant for secrets or because of seeing who they really are: Angel/Cordy have a problematic relationship due to Darla and then Connor, and finally Season 4 happens and anyone whose seen that knows the crapstorm that happened. Oliver/Felicity may ride off into the sunset in Season 3 of Arrow, but eventually Felicity decides she can't be with Oliver because a part of him will always be the man who returned from the island to save the city on his own, akin to Cordelia telling Angel she can't be with him because when she was a higher power she saw him as Angelus. Now, some people explain this away as being what's her face, Jasmine...

Finally, one theme is that at first the titular hero is the one calling the shots and people follow his lead, but eventually they are marginalized on their own show and while everyone can heap abuse on the titular hero, criticizing the female lead is akin to devil-worship.

Interesting comparison, regarding Angel and Arrow. Both shows had strong early seasons (Arrows were better, had more focus and had a faster pace, getting through more storylines quicker), then both took a big dip in season 3 and 4 (again, I think Arrow's were better). Season 5 for Angel was a massive improvement and was arguably the best of the series (Spike really invigorated the show, and the dynamic between him and Angel was very interesting, as well as a lot of fun). Sadly, I do not see Arrow improving in such a manner in season 5.

 

[ZIPBAGS]

I don't think it's who everyone is thinking in the grave.

 

[Nathan]

*Edit*

 

[universeman]

I don't know if this should be under spoilers but anyway from Entertainment Weekly

Spoiler

The leak was a disheartening turn of events for the brain trust behind Arrow. “Look, it’s not cool,” executive producer Marc Guggenheim tells EW. “Straight up … I’ll just say it: Shame on those people.”


“I just look at these paparazzi as they’re ruining the party for everybody,” Guggenheim continues, stressing that the show attempts to protect their secrets with extra precautions. “Unfortunately, when you’re dealing with a cemetery, we have to go out on location,” he says. “We have to be out in the world. We can’t produce the show just on our soundstages. We have extra on-set [production assistants] patrolling. We try to put things up to block people. It does happen and it just sucks.” But the photos aren’t just damaging to the fans. “Honestly, all I can say is that we’ve had the paparazzi on Legends and Arrow, so you’re talking about two shows’ worth of crews, people who work really, really hard to do the jobs that they do, who care a lot about the shows, who care a lot about the stories that we’re telling,” Guggenheim says. “I just look at these paparazzi people like they’re just spoiling it for everybody. They’re kind of taking a big steaming dump on the work that all these people do. They work in Vancouver [for] unbelievable hours — [often] in the rain, terrible conditions — and they do it all to produce shows that everyone can be entertained by and part of being entertained is being surprised.”

And while some fans may not be surprised come Wednesday, the death isn’t the only surprise in store. “There are a couple revelations in this episode,” Guggenheim teases. [The]’s death looms large, but there is a pretty seismic change for the Diggle-Andy relationship that we’ve been teasing.”

 

[Primal Slayer]

They care so much that they wave at the paparazzi taking the pictures! And who (as in me) cares about Diggle/Andys relationship with the death happening? It is the last thing on my mind to care about.