Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[Boy Scout]

I honestly don't get the point of Oliver's vow to stop killing in season two if they were just going to have him kill in (what has so far has been) every subsequent season.

 

[Slade W]

Even though I enjoy it, I wish the Flash was never created and all of the focus was on Arrow like it was in the first two seasons, instead of them leaving the show with Guggenheim.

 

[Slade W]

I honestly don't get the point of Oliver's vow to stop killing in season two if they were just going to have him kill in (what has so far has been) every subsequent season.

Now he only kills very high-level threats like Ra's and Darhk, or in very desperate situations like the LOA member when he was trying to convince Ra's that he wanted to take over the LOA. It is different from season 1 where he killed much more freely. He is much different to what he was in season 1.

 

[antsman41]

But, The Flash is awesome and fun. Which I never ever care for that character. If we had to sacrifice s3-s4 of Arrow being good, sadly it might have been worth it...

 

[The_Manhunter]

It had the tone of Batman Begins, but ... wait you're right, it totally copied the overall arc of the movie too. Dammit!

Season 1 was awesome

 

[king666]

https://i.imgur.com/XUgx07P.webm



Also this:

Spoiler

 

[kguillou]

The infuriating thing is the first 9 episodes were REALLY good. Like it was looking like they acknowledged the fans' conplaints and had a good, solid, fun new direction for the show. And then after the Winter break....WTF happened??

I seriously believe that 22-23 episode seasons are just too much and I think its seriously taking a toll on the writers and the production team. These seasons need to be shorter and more focused.

 

[Lencho01]

https://i.imgur.com/XUgx07P.webm



Also this:

Spoiler

I also laughed at when Darhk pulled Donna to his hand.

 

[Slade W]

We were told that Darhk would have a partner that was going to turn up that we would be surprised that they would be able to use, but they did not turn up.

 

[regnak]

We were told that Darhk would have a partner that was going to turn up that we would be surprised that they would be able to use, but they did not turn up.

It was Dark Lord Guggenheim.

 

[Slade W]

It was Dark Lord Guggenheim.

Tbf, he would not be Darhk's partner. Darhk would be an underling at best. Guggenheim causes much more problems for the Arrow universe than Darhk could dream of. He has been it's Thanos/Darkseid (he is probably even worse) for the last two seasons, and he still has not been stopped.

 

[Marvel Knight]

Maude Garrett on Thea and Felicity;

https://youtu.be/X7AuxPeKc6Y?t=3221

Lol. Too good.

 

[Marvel Knight]

Manu Bennett just retweeted this.

Manu is awesome.

 

[Kar]

We were told that Darhk would have a partner that was going to turn up that we would be surprised that they would be able to use, but they did not turn up.

You reminding me of this just made me dislike this season more.

As much as I loved Diggle, if he's off the show then good cause we'll never have to look at that Godforsaken stupid helmet again. Seriously, what was the point of that helmet if he took it off EVERY time in the battlefield? No, re-watch season 4 and take a shot everytime Diggle takes his mask off in battle as if he doesn't have an identity to protect all of a sudden.

They really made this season up as they went along. Like, wrote a whole 23 episode arc with their eyes closed. So much wasted potential.

 

[Broseph44]

Manu Bennett just retweeted this.

Manu is awesome.

Hahaha yessss

 

[regnak]

Tbf, he would not be Darhk's partner. Darhk would be an underling at best. Guggenheim causes much more problems for the Arrow universe than Darhk could dream of. He has been it's Thanos/Darkseid (he is probably even worse) for the last two seasons, and he still has not been stopped.

No, he is not important enough for that. He is more like Desaad torturing some random people while Darkseid is doing something important and cannot be bothered to supervise him.

 

[Primal Slayer]

They just gotta start a war

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And I thought I couldn't love Funko more.

 

[Loki882]

I had a big problem with Oliver killing Darhk. I don't have a problem with heroes, or at least some of them, killing in certain situations:

-Superman killing Zod in MOS-Was fine with it because he was put in a situation where it was the least awful of a bunch of bad options.

-Oliver killing Ra's in the S3 finale-Same deal.

-Oliver killing The Count-He did it in the heat of the moment to save a friend who's life was being threatened in that moment.'

But here, with Darhk. He was beaten, he was no longer an immediate threat, and Oliver had already refused to kill him once before this season. And his whole arc has allegedly been about stopping himself from doing that (wasn't his refusal to kill Slade in S2 supposed to be a big deal in that regard, I thought that it was at the time, but perhaps not)?

This, was just a straight-up execution and it shoots that arc in the foot instantly. Bad move writers, bad move.

 

[Gintoki]

Good to see Arrow getting heavy media backlash. Let's see how Greg responds. Guggenheim is probably still in denial, and can't accept that his 'perfect writing' is flawed.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I had a big problem with Oliver killing Darhk. I don't have a problem with heroes, or at least some of them, killing in certain situations:

-Superman killing Zod in MOS-Was fine with it because he was put in a situation where it was the least awful of a bunch of bad options.

-Oliver killing Ra's in the S3 finale-Same deal.

-Oliver killing The Count-He did it in the heat of the moment to save a friend who's life was being threatened in that moment.'

But here, with Darhk. He was beaten, he was no longer an immediate threat, and Oliver had already refused to kill him once before this season. And his whole arc has allegedly been about stopping himself from doing that (wasn't his refusal to kill Slade in S2 supposed to be a big deal in that regard, I thought that it was at the time, but perhaps not)?

This, was just a straight-up execution and it shoots that arc in the foot instantly. Bad move writers, bad move.

They should have played it like his magic powers would return or something and this was Ollie's only opportunity to stop him.

Forgive me if that's what actually went down. I've forgotten the details.

 

[Slade W]

Maybe Oliver was afraid that he would be broken out again, due to his resources and him having a lot of followers. It was nice that they addressed him not feeling right about killing Darhk.

 

[Mike Murdock]

We were told that Darhk would have a partner that was going to turn up that we would be surprised that they would be able to use, but they did not turn up.

Yeah, I was wondering that. Ultimately, I thought Darhk was a fairly solid villain and I can't say anyone else would have been better, but I kept waiting for that person (particularly when Darhk went to jail) and they never did.

I had a big problem with Oliver killing Darhk. I don't have a problem with heroes, or at least some of them, killing in certain situations:

-Superman killing Zod in MOS-Was fine with it because he was put in a situation where it was the least awful of a bunch of bad options.

-Oliver killing Ra's in the S3 finale-Same deal.

-Oliver killing The Count-He did it in the heat of the moment to save a friend who's life was being threatened in that moment.'

But here, with Darhk. He was beaten, he was no longer an immediate threat, and Oliver had already refused to kill him once before this season. And his whole arc has allegedly been about stopping himself from doing that (wasn't his refusal to kill Slade in S2 supposed to be a big deal in that regard, I thought that it was at the time, but perhaps not)?

This, was just a straight-up execution and it shoots that arc in the foot instantly. Bad move writers, bad move.

Yeah. I think the earlier jail scenes showed that he could always be a threat (particularly since I don't think the idol has gone anywhere), but it felt like a step back. They could have at least made it seem more in the heat of battle than that. Even if they had done it so Oliver could have incapacitated him but killed him instead, it would have been better than having Oliver actually incapacitate him and then kill him. But I do think the story's logic necessitated him dying, fwiw.

 

[Loki882]

That's the problem, this story lacked "logic." And the writer's seem to want to have it both ways. They want a big thing to be Oliver learning not to be a killer, but then want him to off the main big bad at the end regardless. So they keep contriving scenarios to make that happen.

 

[Slade W]

There is a big difference between killing freely like he did in season 1 and killing high-level threats like Darhk. He has changed in many ways since season 1, not just him killing less. They showed that he did not feel right about killing Darhk at the end (it is nice when they actually acknowledge things, as explanations for things are not this shows strong point). Over the course of the season he has shown that he has moved away from what he was in season 1 and 3 and that he is no longer as ruthless or dark as he was in them seasons. He does his best to find another way most of the time. The finale showed that he still does not know how to deal with very high-level threats such as Darhk without killing them, so it shows there is still progress to be made, and they acknowledged that. This suggests to me that they will have him find another way in the end to complete his journey, as he has grown in other ways and is more heroic than he was in earlier seasons. That is the good thing about an ongoing show, this is not the end of his journey.