Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[SpideyVille]

Laurel is just another victim of most of these superhero shows, where they introduce a love interest with the hopes of doing some relationship angst arcs for several seasons, while also having no plans on what to do with her when they're not in romantic arcs.

Lana on Smallville worked perfectly, until they started beating the dead horse in season 3 and really didn't know what to do with her. Then they introduced Lois and liked her enough to make her a recurring character who was mostly involved in crappy arcs before they were forced to move forward with the romance.

Iris is the other victim of this. We're at the end of season two, and I don't think anyone is really rooting for the two of them. Even the show acknowledges that the only reason why she's into him is because she was told they end up together. And it makes their romance feel forced and out of nowhere.

Laurel probably had the best chance of breaking through this, considering she's supposed to be a badass hero on her own and should be written well enough that the only person she should ever have to take a backseat to is Oliver. But it just seemed like there was on clear vision of what to do with her from the start, so they relied on the old, boring, cliches. A much better season 2 arc would have been her being so angry about Tommy's death that she was fueled to take matters into her own hands because she didn't want to take the chance of someone ever hurting people massively the way Malcolm did. Not to mention, the ending of season one did not justify the start of her arc in season 2 because she had broken up with Tommy and slept with Oliver, so it makes no sense that she would be as emotionally attached to him at that point, especially since this was before they retconned that this season.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I continue to believe that they ended up rewriting most of season 3 at the behest of the powers that be, who told them "wind down the Suicide Squad and Amanda Waller, you won't be able to use them anymore, and especially not as the season Big Bad".

Yeah, I think that's plausible. I'd also argue that having Oliver on the island this season was in response to fan complaints that he was off the island (when very early references made it clear he wasn't on the island the entire time). But there's a big glaring gap when he has to learn Russian and it'll be weird if he leaves the island again and then comes back again.

 

[Gintoki]

https://***********/BenSokolowski/status/734423288609439744

Wow...Uhh....How is this guy still a Writer on Arrow? I hope he was joking, but his previous tweets was similar. So, that doesn't look the case, unfortunately.

As much he wrote some good episodes in Season 2(2x15), that doesn't excuse the fact he has been writing awful episodes lately(4x17).

Ben Sokolowski's and Andrew Kreisberg's run in the Green Arrow was horrible. He inserted Felicity in the comics, and tried to make Olicity happen even there.

 

[Dark Raven]

Wouldn't the writers prefer to do a spin-off show of Felicity? They can dump everything in there and can focus entirely on her and her family. That way Tumblr fans can watch it to their heart's content, and the rest of us can be free of her in Arrow (unless they want to put her in every other CW show as well).

I hear Felicity is coming to season 3 of Daredevil though, as well as the next season of Agents of SHIELD, Suits, NCIS, Dr Who, Downton Abbey, Eastenders etc.

 

[JC00]

FYI: CW and Tribune have reached a 5 year agreement for 12 of their 13 affiliates.

The 13th is Chicago (notorious for preempting CW shows for basketball, baseball and various local Chicago news). It will be moving to WPWR the current Chicago MyNetworkTV station. Which is literally one channel over from WGN (the current channel it is on) on every cable provider in Chicago


http://deadline.com/2016/05/the-cw-tribune-new-affiliate-agreement-2-1201761192/

 

[Omegabat]

Well Arrow just lost the right to use Solomon Grundy

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/exclusive-ep-reveals-villains-we-can-expect-for-gotham-season-3

 

[Lencho01]

Guggenheim uses it for toilet paper now.

Ha!

I was just thinking of how different this show would have been given that Felicity was just supposed to be a brief side character and look at what they've done with her. And then there was the stuff about Malcolm going to be Oliver's father and switching it to Thea. Oh, and let's not forget the flashbacks with Oliver.

 

[Lencho01]

Well Arrow just lost the right to use Solomon Grundy

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/exclusive-ep-reveals-villains-we-can-expect-for-gotham-season-3

I never believed they were going to do anything with him.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Well Arrow just lost the right to use Solomon Grundy

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/exclusive-ep-reveals-villains-we-can-expect-for-gotham-season-3

I don't think appearing in Gotham is necessarily a bar to having them in Arrow. However, given that they already had Cyrus Gold, I never expected Solomon Grundy (and, if he wouldn't be in this season, I didn't think it would appear at all). Legends or Flash would be more likely.

 

[Crossvale]

Well Arrow just lost the right to use Solomon Grundy

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/exclusive-ep-reveals-villains-we-can-expect-for-gotham-season-3

Awesome. I know Gotham will do him good

This is absolutely not going to happen. Arrow's ratings are fine, and it's the #2 show on the network by a comfortable margin. It's perfectly normal for a show to hit a low number this late in its fourth season, especially considering it was pre-empted.

Arrow now does 1-2 points above an 11 year old show, Supernatural, how magnificent.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

For ARROW fans with experience with real world martial arts... This is the thread for you. Please come and share your experience and knowledge of the fighting arts.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=513641

 

[Batsfan1]

Awesome. I know Gotham will do him good

Arrow now does 1-2 points above an 11 year old show, Supernatural, how magnificent.

I'm not sure if this holds any real water, but the Smallville wiki says that the penultimate episode of season 4's ratings were 3.96 and the Supernatural one says that the penultimate episode of season 4 were 2.79, so if these are true, then Arrow doesn't appear to be maintaining the same good will as they were, I guess. Have a very great day you and everyone!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

 

[ZIPBAGS]

So do you think Quentin and Sarah will find out about the Earth-2 Laurel being held in Star Labs?

 

[HighFivingMF]

I'm not sure if this holds any real water, but the Smallville wiki says that the penultimate episode of season 4's ratings were 3.96 and the Supernatural one says that the penultimate episode of season 4 were 2.79, so if these are true, then Arrow doesn't appear to be maintaining the same good will as they were, I guess. Have a very great day you and everyone!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

More people watched the network and TV in general then, you couldn't really watch stuff online or wait for Netflix. They've adjusted their expectations. Some renewed big 4 shows would kill for that 4 million.

 

[Paradox1]

So do you think Quentin and Sarah will find out about the Earth-2 Laurel being held in Star Labs?

Eventually.

 

[SpideyVille]

More people watched the network and TV in general then, you couldn't really watch stuff online or wait for Netflix. They've adjusted their expectations. Some renewed big 4 shows would kill for that 4 million.

Yeah, Netflix, Hulu, and DVRs have really changed things. Not to mention, I believe these were still under the WB years, where that network in particular was still pretty relevant. Once they merged and created the CW, it was never quite the same.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Anyone wanna be awesome and make me this in avvy size?

Also, my aunt directed me to a blogpost (she's supportive of Felicity but not a blindly frothing-at-the-mouth Olicity 'shipper, so I respect her opinions) and although the writer was clearly biased toward Olicity, some of the stuff the writer said was truthful (if, again, biased), and it shifted some of my views somewhat. I still think the Noah/Donna stuff sucks, but I can see why, from their own warped POV, MG and WM might've wanted to include it in the episode (for the purposes of their wonderful Olicity fan-fiction they've got going).

http://jbuffyangel.tumblr.com/post/144688204743/true-hope-lost-in-the-flood-arrow-4x22-review

At least the reviewer seems to be a logical, somewhat fair-minded person and isn't your typical insane Olicity-above-all person. Maybe. I dunno; I tried to be fair for my aunt.

 

[Slade W]

This is the least excited I have ever been for an Arrow season finale.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

This is the least excited I have ever been for an Arrow season finale.

Agreed. I wish the Flash season finale would profoundly affect Arrow somehow but I know it won't happen.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Anyone wanna be awesome and make me this in avvy size?

Also, my aunt directed me to a blogpost (she's supportive of Felicity but not a blindly frothing-at-the-mouth Olicity 'shipper, so I respect her opinions) and although the writer was clearly biased toward Olicity, some of the stuff the writer said was truthful (if, again, biased), and it shifted some of my views somewhat. I still think the Noah/Donna stuff sucks, but I can see why, from their own warped POV, MG and WM might've wanted to include it in the episode (for the purposes of their wonderful Olicity fan-fiction they've got going).

http://jbuffyangel.tumblr.com/post/144688204743/true-hope-lost-in-the-flood-arrow-4x22-review

At least the reviewer seems to be a logical, somewhat fair-minded person and isn't your typical insane Olicity-above-all person. Maybe. I dunno; I tried to be fair for my aunt.

I can understand to an extent, there's a fairly decent sized chunk of their audience that does enjoy that aspect of the show, so making sure to include these moments in the show is fine, but this late in the season something like that shouldn't have taken up more than a few minutes of screentime at most, the show needed to be focused on the season's main plot at that point but instead the episode was all over the place and failed to really build momentum, which is a problem when it's the season's second to last episode.

And yeah, that shot of Ollie firing his bow mid-air was awesome, loved that chase sequence in the episode, really reminds me of how much I miss the action scenes we got so regularly in season 1 and 2 but have become less common these last two seasons.

 

[Slade W]

I can understand to an extent, there's a fairly decent sized chunk of their audience that does enjoy that aspect of the show, so making sure to include these moments in the show is fine, but this late in the season something like that shouldn't have taken up more than a few minutes of screentime at most, the show needed to be focused on the season's main plot at that point but instead the episode was all over the place and failed to really build momentum, which is a problem when it's the season's second to last episode.

And yeah, that shot of Ollie firing his bow mid-air was awesome, loved that chase sequence in the episode, really reminds me of how much I miss the action scenes we got so regularly in season 1 and 2 but have become less common these last two seasons.

I agree with this. It was ridiculous how much they focused on Felicity and her family when there is supposedly so much at stake.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Yeah, the fact that it's there isn't necessarily a problem is, the problem is A) it's not done that well, B) it takes up too much time, and C) the writers seem to want that to be a big focus of the show now.

 

[Dr.HugoStrange]

Dare to Defy @ www.hectorenriquez.daportfolio.com

 

[regnak]

This

http://i.imgur.com/bhF22hI.png

explains a lot. Arrow writers tweet at over 7x the rate of Flash writers. Some people know what their job and some do not. 13,300 tweet in 4 years(and you know the rate has gone up since Guggenheim took over) when do these dolts actually do their jobs?

 

[Primal Slayer]

I was reading this interview for Preacher and one part stood out to me and MG and co. should read it.

"Garth kept saying the same thing to us: 'Stay true to the characters — nothing else matters,'" said Goldberg. "'You can drop whole blocks, or re-shift them, or reallocate them, but don't change who Odin Quincannon is. Don't change Jesse. As long as you're keeping those characters, you're making it right.'"

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/preacher-comics-tv-changes-895998?facebook_20160522