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So, I gotta ask, anyone else think this should have been 'Bat' instead of 'Arrow' or is it just me?

That wouldn't have been a good idea IMO. If you think about it, this version of Green Arrow is completely different from Batman in terms of training and motivation. The whole idea behind this show is that Oliver has spent 5 years in hell and has now returned FROM hell to fulfill his father's wishes while the idea behind Batman is that he returned TO hell (Gotham City) after years of training to turn his city into heaven. Plus, there is the whole family and bodyguard thing that wouldn't have been present in a Batman show.

On top of that, Batman is too "big" for television (minus animation) and the current special effects can't do him full justice. That's the main reason why Green Arrow is a better choice in general.


Love this show so far. Every episode so far was better than the last one. It wouldn't say the show is great yet since it's too early to tell that but so far it's good enough to grab my attention and keep me hooked. It is also far more faithful to the source material than Smallville ever was. Though it's still not exactly the best adaptation you can do of Green Arrow, these first 3 episodes have stayed more true to the comics than the entire Smallville series did in 10 years and looks like it will continue to become more and more like the comics. Also, whether you agree that shows like Smallville and Arrow should be faithful to the comics or not, a show like Arrow deviating from the source makes so much more sense than a show like Smallville deviating from the source because the whole point behind Smallville was that it was Clark's growth into the Superman we all know, except that by the time he becomes the Superman we all know, everything is completely different from the comics - most of the villains were introduced were altered, Clark/Superman's relationships with his supporting cast and villains were completely different than in the comics, Clark already encountered a lot of other superheroes and even became part of the Justice League before he became Superman, characters like Jimmy Olsen are dead and Lois already knows Clark is Superman (when he BEGINS his career as Superman). If you're going to make a Superman show about Superman becoming the Superman we all know of, why not make it like the comics? Why not have everything become like the comics by the end and make it feel as if any classic Superman story from the comics could've taken place after Smallville's ending? SO much wasted potential with Smallville.


Arrow, on the other hand, is not trying to sell itself on "Oliver becoming the Green Arrow you all know of". It is trying to be a show about a vigilante dressed in green that carries a bow and arrow and tries to clean up his city. It can be viewed as an Elseworld story. It can be a story about Green Arrow becoming the Green Arrow we all know and love (and it arguably is trying to be that but that's too early to tell), but it doesn't have to necessarily be that because it was never selling itself as the show where "you will see this guy become the character you all know!" like Smallville was. Arrow, for the most part, was trying to be and was selling itself on being a show with the realistic and gritty setting of Nolan's Batman but about a badass archer vigilante.
 
Arrow vs. Deadshot was amazing.

Love that Dig's knows. Everybody who hates the narration should be thrilled that Dig's knows. Arrow was having the same problem that Batman had pre- Robin. He had to constantly speak to himself in his head because he had nobody to bounce his ideas off of. Once Batman got Robin he didn't have that problem. Hopefully this means Ollie will have someone to bounce his ideas off of and narration will be toned down cause I agree I don't like it one bit. I think the shows could be so much stronger without the narration, the narration feels like force feeding the audience.
 
This episode was pretty disappointing. I liked the character stuff but the stuff with Deadshot was just so.... disappointing. He had all of this buildup that he never misses and you think, "Oh, ****, Green Arrow certainly is gonna have a tougher time of beating him." What happens? A brief encounter at first, then about a two minute fight that ended with Arrow shooting an arrow from behind a pillar. You think he missed and the fight would continue... but nope. He shot him in the eye and that was it.
 
I doubt that's the last we'll see of him, though.
 
I think they made his eye piece extra big for a reason and that was to save his ass at the end.
 
P.S.: Anyone wonder how they will show Thea in pre-island flashbacks? That time period has too much story potential to never explore. With Ollie, we know they just kept with the same actor but with a different hairstyle. However, the same technique wouldn't work for Thea as she's 17 now and would be 12 below in flashbacks. But on the other hand, using a different actress for her, while keeping everyone else the same, would seem just as weird and out-of-place...

How would that be weird? That's exactly what they should do if they ever decide to have her in a flashback. It would be stupid to have the actress who plays the teen version play a 12 year old lol.
 
*Tommy Wiseau*

What makes you say that?

Wasn't Deadshot's actor confirmed to be cast for multiple episodes? That and the fact that he had the name "Andrew Diggle" tattooed on his chest while we know that John Diggle lost his brother. It's highly unlikely they would hint at Diggle's brother's death and then kill his brother's killer without even addressing the issue.

My speculation is that they will bring him back with most likely his suit and mask from the comics since now he just lost one eye (meaning he might wear a mask similar to the one in the comics).

Also, fun fact I noticed - Both Deadshot and Deathstroke, the top 2 assassins in the DC universe, lost one eye (right eye for both) from Oliver's arrows in this show.
 
How would that be weird? That's exactly what they should do if they ever decide to have her in a flashback. It would be stupid to have the actress who plays the teen version play a 12 year old lol.

It would be weird in the sense that everyone else is played by their original actors; which would only highlight the fact that she alone is not the same person. Like she's a different character. Either way is going to look odd.
 
Yeah we'll just have to disagree on that one. Everyone else is an adult. They could do subtle changes to them (like Ollie's hairstyle) to show the time difference, but for a kid it would only make sense to cast someone younger. This is done all the time.
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So where does everyone think this Russian thing is going? It has come up twice in the tattoo/Alexi thing and when he spoke to his maid in the pilot.

Are Russians on the island or was he not on the island for five years? "We have to go back!"
 
That wouldn't have been a good idea IMO. If you think about it, this version of Green Arrow is completely different from Batman in terms of training and motivation. The whole idea behind this show is that Oliver has spent 5 years in hell and has now returned FROM hell to fulfill his father's wishes while the idea behind Batman is that he returned TO hell (Gotham City) after years of training to turn his city into heaven. Plus, there is the whole family and bodyguard thing that wouldn't have been present in a Batman show.

I'm not saying it was a good idea, though. I'm saying that's what it feels like. Ollie in most incarnations is a wise cracking hero, similar in his set-up to Batman, but complete opposite in personality, a supporter of left wing politics. Arrow... they've basically skipped over a good portion of his early development and gone straight to post-Cry for Justice anti-hero, taking his sense of humour and wise-cracking and replacing it with a hard edge, no-nonsense personality, playing at being a playboy during the day and badass vigilante with an ambiguous moral code at night.

Sound familiar?

The ONLY thing to Ollie's personality that doesn't SCREAM Bruce Wayne right now is the penchant for arrows and the lack of a non-killing code. Other than that? Change his costume and most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

On top of that, Batman is too "big" for television (minus animation) and the current special effects can't do him full justice. That's the main reason why Green Arrow is a better choice in general.

Again, I wasn't saying it should have been, I'm saying it could have been. But I disagree with Batman being 'too big' for television. Like I said previously, change the bow and arrow for a utility belt, remove the family and put him in a cave, Oliver could be confused with Bruce.
 
I'm not saying it was a good idea, though. I'm saying that's what it feels like. Ollie in most incarnations is a wise cracking hero, similar in his set-up to Batman, but complete opposite in personality, a supporter of left wing politics. Arrow... they've basically skipped over a good portion of his early development and gone straight to post-Cry for Justice anti-hero, taking his sense of humour and wise-cracking and replacing it with a hard edge, no-nonsense personality, playing at being a playboy during the day and badass vigilante with an ambiguous moral code at night.

Sound familiar?

The ONLY thing to Ollie's personality that doesn't SCREAM Bruce Wayne right now is the penchant for arrows and the lack of a non-killing code. Other than that? Change his costume and most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

I agree with that. Let's hope the writers of the show plan to take him through a character arc in which he becomes the Green Arrow from the comics. He did just come back from "hell" which is why he acts like this but that may change in the future.

Again, I wasn't saying it should have been, I'm saying it could have been. But I disagree with Batman being 'too big' for television. Like I said previously, change the bow and arrow for a utility belt, remove the family and put him in a cave, Oliver could be confused with Bruce.

What I meant by Batman being too "big" for television is that a TV show wouldn't do him much justice at the moment mainly due to budget issues. Sure that you can have a show like Arrow where you change the bow and arrow to a utility belt and put him in a Batman costume but is that what you want to see out of a Batman TV show? Not only there is no point to that since it would just be a boring rehash of the first 2 Nolan films (taking place in Batman's early years after he just returned to Gotham + the realism) but it would also be a waste of potential.
 
It all felt a bit rushed this week and Thea and Laurel are basically just redoing their scenes with Ollie instead of moving forward. Laurel springing into action immediately made me think of flickchick. :D That scene was oddly edited though.

As for Deadshot, I'd have liked a bit more about him and more of a focus on him vs Ollie strategically as well as the brief action scenes. His wrist blasters were cool and the tattoo idea was interesting, especially since he initially seemed to tattoo after a kill then he suddenly tattooed before one. Hopefully he's not dead but he looked very much so in his final shot.

I'm glad Diggle knows now since it made no sense for him to continue being in the dark when Ollie was not even hiding the fact he was up to something. Hopefully next week we get a lot more about the island, as someone else mentioned I wouldn't mind a whole ep set there to get a real foothold on what is going on, plus it may reveal where Ollie got the Russian mob tat from.
 
It all felt a bit rushed this week and Thea and Laurel are basically just redoing their scenes with Ollie instead of moving forward. Laurel springing into action immediately made me think of flickchick. :D That scene was oddly edited though.

As for Deadshot, I'd have liked a bit more about him and more of a focus on him vs Ollie strategically as well as the brief action scenes. His wrist blasters were cool and the tattoo idea was interesting, especially since he initially seemed to tattoo after a kill then he suddenly tattooed before one. Hopefully he's not dead but he looked very much so in his final shot.

I'm glad Diggle knows now since it made no sense for him to continue being in the dark when Ollie was not even hiding the fact he was up to something. Hopefully next week we get a lot more about the island, as someone else mentioned I wouldn't mind a whole ep set there to get a real foothold on what is going on, plus it may reveal where Ollie got the Russian mob tat from.
This is my biggest critique of the show. Anything not involving Green Arrow/Oliver and Diggle is dreadfully dull, to the point where I'm loving 50% of the show and tuning out for the other half.
 
I thought episode 3 was brilliant. Really well done with deadshot as that leaves him room to come back in full costume and mask. The ending with digs was great. Hooked to this awesome show.
 
This is my biggest critique of the show. Anything not involving Green Arrow/Oliver and Diggle is dreadfully dull, to the point where I'm loving 50% of the show and tuning out for the other half.

Exactly how I feel. That soap opera stuff isn't nearly engaging enough to take up this much of the show. I don't know how Supernatural does it but with just two guys they manage to keep the slow moments interesting. And half the time they're just talking about food and porn or calling each other names.
 
Exactly how I feel. That soap opera stuff isn't nearly engaging enough to take up this much of the show. I don't know how Supernatural does it but with just two guys they manage to keep the slow moments interesting. And half the time they're just talking about food and porn or calling each other names.

I don't watch the show but that sounds like how two guys would talk when hanging out which is why probably you and other guys who watch the show can relate and not find it dull. The drama focus in Arrow is skewed from the side of the girls issues with Ollie, he so far has mostly just said sorry and looked lost for words in his interaction with them.

Unlike many on this forum I have no problem with strong female characters and I'd like to think Thea and Laurel will develop beyond their petulant and bitter phases respectively.

Laurel is a lawyer and I'd like to see her involved in the Arrow parts of the show, approaching the people he is going after from the angle of the law, to this point it might have been better if she was an investigator for the DA's office instead of a legal aid worker.

With Thea I know the fanboys want comic accurate Speedy, but I very much doubt they kill Thea off and given what the actress has said the best shot of Thea getting over her emotional hump is to join Ollie in his fight. I actually felt they regressed her this week after the good scenes with her and Ollie last week.
 
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