Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread

[protocida]

It'd be detrimental to the world they created, in my opinion.

 

[BH/HHH]

It'd be detrimental to the world they created, in my opinion.

Yeah but could have said similar things about Smallville look at the first 3 seasons to the rest of it. Took things to a different level, when a TV show needs something fresh they change the game. Personally I do think it could last without it but I don't think it will. I can't say I wouldn't be happy to see a character like Superman show up.

 

[Wheels]

Yeah I think it'd be fantastic, as I don't think they'll ever make Supermax so why not adapt it as a season story arc. Would be different from the norm aswell to radically change the scope of a series like that. I think even if it was for something like 10 episodes would be good too or even a TV movie.

Sort of like Prison Break, but with DC characters.

 

[BH/HHH]

Sort of like Prison Break, but with DC characters.

Haha yeah

Think it would work really well especially in the Arrow universe.

 

[Wheels]

Haha yeah

Think it would work really well especially in the Arrow universe.

Totally agree. It's a very interesting setup.

 

[Savage]

Vandal Savage or Brick would be great gateways to the crazier side of the DC universe. Personally I'm putting my money on Brick since he's exclusively a GA baddie.

 

[RetroNaz]

Agree with people that have commented on super powered folks appearing on the show would be detrimental to what's been created.
Especially if the effects are hokey. There may be a sprinkling of cheese here and there, but the creators have managed to do a really good job at keeping everything grounded in realism and "hard knocks" type of action.

Plus it kind of separates this show from Smallville by remaining that way too IMO.

 

[Primal Slayer]

If they introduced powers into this show and kept it "real" (ala Alphas) I think it would work really well.

 

[RetroNaz]

Maybe. Have they already de-powered any characters that have appeared on here? (I'm not completely familiar with GA's rogues gallery).

 

[protocida]

Constantine Drakon was implied to be metahuman due to his above-average reflexes, but it wasn't confirmed.

 

[Savage]

That guy was majorly depowered and I don't think he's even a confirmed superhuman in the comics. I immediately had to read his stories again to wash the taste out of my mouth. I always feel when people go for this powerless universe with these characters they just don't get it. Smallville started out with "no tights, no flights" too so we'll see what happens. Personally I feel having superhuman characters on the show would only separate Green Arrow from Batman more (or at least how the general public knows Batman). Plus GA is kind of just bulldozing non-powered people right now. If Merlyn ever becomes an archer he's getting his ass whooped immediately.

 

[RetroNaz]

How did Merlyn train as an archer in the comics? Was there something that made him "evil"? Or have they copied the Lex/Clark dynamic by making him a friend before a foe?

 

[Savage]

How did Merlyn train as an archer in the comics? Was there something that made him "evil"? Or have they copied the Lex/Clark dynamic by making him a friend before a foe?

They ripped off the Lex/Clark dynamic. Merlyn in the comics is a member of the League of Assassins (or League of Shadows in Nolan's Batman movies) who was always a bad guy. Oliver met him while stopping him from assassinating someone. He was full on Green Arrow at this point and met him on a team-up with Black Canary.

They rrreally want this show to be a Smallville replacement. The mansion and family dynamic does not help.

 

[RetroNaz]

Oh man, yeah that's not as cool now that I know it's a Smallville rip off.
Let's hope Arrow can pull off Merlyn's transition from good to bad better than they managed Lex's turn (albeit played beautifully by Rosenbaum).

 

[solidsnake86]

Oh man, yeah that's not as cool now that I know it's a Smallville rip off.
Let's hope Arrow can pull off Merlyn's transition from good to bad better than they managed Lex's turn (albeit played beautifully by Rosenbaum).

Merlyn isnt anything great in the comics so its not a big deal.

Isn't his story along the lines of challenging Green Arrow to an archery contest and losing. That's not exactly riveting television.

As for the Mansion, who cares, its not a big deal, they are filming in Vancover.

The family dynamic works in the show, not everything has to be like the comics, which IMO have been less than stellar besides Year One and Long Bow Hunters.

If he was a loner with no one to interact with the show would be boring.

 

[Savage]

Merlyn isnt anything great in the comics so its not a big deal.

Isn't his story along the lines of challenging Green Arrow to an archery contest and losing. That's not exactly riveting television.

As for the Mansion, who cares, its not a big deal, they are filming in Vancover.

The family dynamic works in the show, not everything has to be like the comics, which IMO have been less than stellar besides Year One and Long Bow Hunters.

If he was a loner with no one to interact with the show would be boring.

Well clearly you don't like the character or much of the comics. I'm personally a fan of everything from Kevin Smith's run up until the end of the Green Arrow and Black Canary series. While Green Arrow may not be your cup of tea, he is only second to Batman for me in the DC universe. While Green Arrow's supporting cast in the books consists of all heroes (his entire family wears masks) the character has been able to keep the drama going with the mask on. The show has opted for the soap opera approach. Fair enough. I just don't think the character would be boring without this supporting cast. He certainly hasn't been boring in the books where these people don't even exist.

Sorry for being a fanboy here (really starting to feel like the one Green Arrow reader). I just take issue with trying to fix what I feel isn't broken. At all. This is a great alternate universe Green Arrow, though. Like Ultimate Green Arrow.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I'm a Green Arrow reader. I'm just good at rolling with the changes for adaptations as long as it's good.

 

[Savage]

Same here. I can express my dislike for certain changes and ideas but the way I see it I'll always have the comics around to read. I can enjoy this as it's own entity. I've been used to this stuff since X-men hit theaters when I was in the 6th grade and I wondered where Beast and Angel were.

 

[BH/HHH]

Exactly something can be faithful but still be its own thing, that's how you keep it fresh. I didn't get why people bashed on Smallville so much yeah they changed certain things but it was for the longevity of the show and it worked. Why people want to see the same stories told the same way all the time is beyond me, it would get stale and boring.

 

[DarthDorranceBane]

Do you think the story on the island is gonna be stretched for as long as the show runs or will it be kept within one or couple of seasons and what what do you think will be the new side story be if it that's the way the show goes?

 

[BH/HHH]

Do you think the story on the island is gonna be stretched for as long as the show runs or will it be kept within one or couple of seasons and what what do you think will be the new side story be if it that's the way the show goes?

I think it will mostly dominate season 1 but will probably appear again briefly beyond that. I do fear they'l do that thing in the future where another villain was convenintly on the island and its almost retcon similar to Doomsday arriving when Clark did in Smallville.

 

[KingMadness]

You guys seem to forget that we have no idea what Tommy was doing the 5 years Ollie was gone.

He could very well have been indoctrinated into the league of assassins and is keeping an eye on Ollie to see what he's up to and how that interferes with his plans. Hell, I suspect he may have ties to the archer guy that Ollie meets on the island.

Please keep in mind that this buddy buddy happy go lucky playboy character that Tommy is putting on right now simply cannot be as one dimensional as it is being portrayed in a show with characters that have 2+ dimensions. There's obviously more to Tommy than what's being told. In my opinion, the guy is already Meryln the Archer.

 

[protocida]

^ Very doubtful. We will see Merlyn's fall from grace throughout the show. And I doubt it'll be more than just because Oliver and Laurel will obviously get back together eventually.

The producers said that every episode of the five seasons they've planned will have island flashbacks. The last scene of the show will supposedly be Oliver first spotting the boat near the island and beginning the race he's already halfway through in the beginning of the "Pilot" to light up the distress beacon.

 

[BH/HHH]

I suppose Tommy might have learned some martial arts but I'd say he will become a master of archery later.

 

[aNarcHy2day]

There is this scene where Oliver speaks Russian in front of him (Merlyn) when at the fast food joint. I was half expecting a scene later on the episode where Merlyn is speaking in Russian with someone indicating he understood what Liver said in the first place. That'd be cool and would have painted the character in a bit more darker shade. Too early for the transformation I guess.