Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread

[solidsnake86]

Sorry for being a fanboy here (really starting to feel like the one Green Arrow reader). I just take issue with trying to fix what I feel isn't broken. At all. This is a great alternate universe Green Arrow, though. Like Ultimate Green Arrow.

No worries man and sorry if I came off as rude. I like the concept of Green Arrow but I'm not a fan of some of the execution. I have never been interested in all the sidekick archers so I don't really care to see it in the show.

I think his character has so much potential and the show is a good way to get rid of the excess thats in the comics. Possibly even streamline the character.

For me at least, I'm over the point where I want the characters to be adapted in other mediums exactly like the comics because some things don't work. I definitely see why they have made the changes to the character. At the end of the day they have to appeal to the viewers that watch the CW, if they can strike a balance I'm all for it because it will remain on air.

What I don't agree with is going to far into the comic book direction because they will probably alienate everyone. Even some so-called comic fans who complain about dropping the Green from the name or having it called starling city wouldnt watch the show anyways, so why try to appease a non-viewer.

Its like the fans who complained about removing the trunks from Superman's costume, yet they probably never picked up a comic book to give DC a reason to keep them on.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah I think it's gonna be a slow burn, one things for sure it's gonna be interesting

 

[Deathstroke]

Yeah but could have said similar things about Smallville look at the first 3 seasons to the rest of it. Took things to a different level, when a TV show needs something fresh they change the game. Personally I do think it could last without it but I don't think it will. I can't say I wouldn't be happy to see a character like Superman show up.

And Smallville jumped the shark in it's fourth season. It almost became a parody of what it once was after that.

Arrow doesn't deserve the same fate. I'd rather the show end than compromise what it is in order to desperately stay on the air.

The good news is, so far Arrow has built itself a loyal audience. Drastically changing up the show's approach may alienate them too.

 

[BH/HHH]

And Smallville jumped the shark in it's fourth season. It almost became a parody of what it once was after that.

Arrow doesn't deserve the same fate. I'd rather the show end than compromise what it is in order to desperately stay on the air.

The good news is, so far Arrow has built itself a loyal audience. Drastically changing up the show's approach may alienate them too.

Regardless of what you say Smallville remained popular and the show needed to change. Arrow may eyed to do the same on a few seasons. If a shows popular then the networks are gonna make changes to keep it going. It doesn't matter what we want its about making money.

 

[Nathan]

And I would honestly love to see how Ollie would fight someone he can't harm with regular arrows.



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[BH/HHH]

And I would honestly love to see how Ollie would fight someone he can't harm with regular arrows.



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Someone said how good it'd be to have Vandal Savage pull one of GA's arrows out of his heart, I'd love to see a scene like that.

 

[Nathan]

Yeah, I mentioned that.

 

[protocida]

I really hope they don't break the mold they've built.

 

[Nathan]

Not for the first couple seasons, but I honestly don't see the harm in it to bring in fantastical elements down the line. Especially if you keep them low key, like Savage's immortality.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, I mentioned that.

Oh that was you sorry for not remembering.

Sounds so cool really hope it happens

Not for the first couple seasons, but I honestly don't see the harm in it to bring in fantastical elements down the line. Especially if you keep them low key, like Savage's immortality.

Totally agree

 

[Deathstroke]

Regardless of what you say Smallville remained popular and the show needed to change. Arrow may eyed to do the same on a few seasons. If a shows popular then the networks are gonna make changes to keep it going. It doesn't matter what we want its about making money.

I'd rather get a quality series, than quality compromised for the sake of trying to make money.

If the show maintains a solid fanbase of viewers during the first season, it should keep it's style and approach to maintain that built-in viewership.


Smallville's approach didn't change as much as you claim it did. It started off with cheesy fantastical/sci-fi elements in play and very silver age in the way it adapted comicbook material (aka Kryptonite) and that type of thing was still prevalent in Season 10. It also always focused primarily on relationships (shipping) and that didn't change either. It was a soap.

It also aimed to avoid giving us Superman (no flights, no tights), and aside from a bit of minor empty teasing, that mantra of the show really maintained till the very end.

 

[BH/HHH]

I'd rather get a quality series, than quality compromised for the sake of trying to make money.

If the show maintains a solid fanbase of viewers during the first season, it should keep it's style and approach to maintain that built-in viewership.


Smallville's approach didn't change as much as you claim it did. It started off with cheesy fantastical/sci-fi elements in play and very silver age in the way it adapted comicbook material (aka Kryptonite) and that type of thing was still prevalent in Season 10. It also always focused primarily on relationships (shipping) and that didn't change either. It was a soap.

It also aimed to avoid giving us Superman (no flights, no tights), and aside from a bit of minor empty teasing, that mantra of the show really maintained till the very end.

So would I but the point is these networks want to make money.

Sallville changed in tone quite dramatically and introduced more and more heroes n villains it went more comic booky which IMO was a good thing.

 

[solidsnake86]

So would I but the point is these networks want to make money.

Sallville changed in tone quite dramatically and introduced more and more heroes n villains it went more comic booky which IMO was a good thing.

I couldn't get into the final few seasons at all. I thought the JSA episodes were some of the worst IMO.

It was so preachy about justice in a superficial way. The costumes were horrendous that I couldn't help but role my eyes. I would rather see them not put the characters in costumes if they look that bad. I know thats not a popular opinion though.

That's one thing I have to hand to this show. Arrow's costume looks really good. I'm glad they spent the money on getting a good costume designer for it.

 

[BH/HHH]

I couldn't get into the final few seasons at all. I thought the JSA episodes were some of the worst IMO.

It was so preachy about justice in a superficial way. The costumes were horrendous that I couldn't help but role my eyes. I would rather see them not put the characters in costumes if they look that bad. I know thats not a popular opinion though.

That's one thing I have to hand to this show. Arrow's costume looks really good. I'm glad they spent the money on getting a good costume designer for it.

That's fair enough.

My point was really though that the producers would more than likely if the show was getting stale or losing viewers turn to the super powered superheroes/villains.

 

[Deathstroke]

Smallville turned to 'fanwank' and couldn't even pull that off. I'd rather Arrow maintain a bit more quality and dignity to the show's premise.

That being said BH/HHH, Smallville was always a world where cheesy superpowered superheroes and villains could exist. It was like this since Season One. Those ridiculous Kryptofreaks of the week especially. The producers never drastically altered the premise of what the show was molded as.

 

[BH/HHH]

Smallville turned to 'fanwank' and couldn't even pull that off. I'd rather Arrow maintain a bit more quality and dignity to the show's premise.

That being said BH/HHH, Smallville was always a world where cheesy superpowered superheroes and villains could exist. It was like this since Season One. Those ridiculous Kryptofreaks of the week especially. The producers never drastically altered the premise of what the show was molded as.

Oh yeah in Smallville it definitely was portrayed that way except buying that the JSA had existed before which is hard to believe when you watch the first seasons.

I admit super powers would be hard to do on Arrow but not impossible. Anyway it's so early we don't have to worry about it right now. I've only watched the pilot of Arrow and Smallville is my fave show of all-time but I can see Arrow surpassing it if it keeps up the standards of the first episode.

 

[Nathan]

Heck, I think if you'd introduce super powers, but keep the grounded feel and aesthetics the show currently has, you'd have a Mortal Kombat Rebirth, kind of deal on your hands.

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[Deathstroke]

With Vandal Savage, I'd keep it vague like they did with Ras in Batman Begins.

They hinted at the myth of his immortality but kept it gray whether he did have supernatural abilities or not.

 

[Mikelus]

Exactly something can be faithful but still be its own thing, that's how you keep it fresh. I didn't get why people bashed on Smallville so much yeah they changed certain things but it was for the longevity of the show and it worked. Why people want to see the same stories told the same way all the time is beyond me, it would get stale and boring.

Agreed, if Smallville had done everything like the comics, it wouldn't have lasted ten years like it did. Lets be honest, most comics are quite mediocre and ridiculous (Green Arrow comics included), so I don't mind the changes as long as it works and the quality of the show is good.

 

[Deathstroke]

Aside from the Grell stuff, I think the Green Arrow comics are pretty mediocre. Overall, the Arrow series has really set the groundwork to surpass the comics. It just depends on the execution in the future episodes.

 

[Destructus86]

ugh...the royal flush gang looks so horrible. :/

 

[Compi716]

Aside from the Grell stuff, I think the Green Arrow comics are pretty mediocre. Overall, the Arrow series has really set the groundwork to surpass the comics. It just depends on the execution in the future episodes.

Really now? Look, I love (half) this show just as much as the next guy, but anything with an "evil mother who set everything up" is a bad idea. For the future this show should take inspiration from the Denny O'Neil/Neal Adam Green Lantern & Green Arrow run. If there's any way is like to see Ollie's character - and this world, particularly Dinah Lance - develop, it's in the vein of that.

 

[protocida]

His mother didn't set anything up.

And that run is slightly overrated.

 

[Savage]

Not nearly was overrated as The Longbow Hunters. If I wasn't a Green Arrow fan I wouldn't have even read that story. And I actually started watching Smallvilke consistently when other superheroes started showing up.

 

[Pepsiguy2]

ugh...the royal flush gang looks so horrible. :/

They're just henchmen.