Arrow Arrow Season 3 Episode 14 the return

[Herolee10]

No, because you're right.

The whole reason why people enjoyed seeing those two share the same screen together was because Felicity's character brought a fresh atmosphere of comedy and relief for Oliver's usual tension-filled world, where nearly every other woman normally has a grudge or disdain for him.lol

So to make Felicity fall under that same category is like undoing on what made Felicity such a well loved character in the first place.

It's like replacing Bennedict C's voice with Gilbert Godfried's voice.

 

[Spider-Ock]

I loved seeing Felicity go back to what made her likeable in the first place. Now she just sits around crying and whining in every episode.

 

[Midnite]

I want to know who is the second prisoner on that island is!!!

 

[Snow Queen]

I want to know who is the second prisoner on that island is!!!

Captain Boomerang.

 

[Primal Slayer]

So to make Felicity fall under that same category is like undoing on what made Felicity such a well loved character in the first place.

Love always feels like a battlefield

 

[Herolee10]

Love always feels like a battlefield

Haha perhaps, but it seems like every time a woman gets interested in Oliver, something bad happens to them afterwards..lol

Hooks up with Laurel....ends with her losing her sister, Sara, for 6 Years.

Hooks up with Sara...ends up being forced to work as a torturer on the AMAZO

Hooks up with Shado....ends up being executed later on

Hooks up with Helena...ends up going on a killing spree against her father's regime

Hooks up with Officer McKenna....she suffers a life threatening injury that forces her to undergo several months of rehab/physical therapy

Hooks up with Laurel again....Laurel loses Tommy

Hooks up with Isabel...well she was the one exception, since she was already crazy.lol

Hooks up with Sara, again....she rejoins the LOA afterwards and is killed by his sister

Goes on a date with Felicity....the latter ends up being knocked unconscious after barely surviving an explosion in close proximity

Cupid goes crazy for Oliver...the latter sends her to work in the Suicide Squad for Waller

Iris reveals that she has a crush on Oliver....The Flash attacks her boyfriend, in front of her, the night after

 

[Primal Slayer]

Obviously he his mojo has been cursed and often causes death. He should come with a disclaimer.

 

[JJmelo]

I loved seeing Felicity go back to what made her likeable in the first place. Now she just sits around crying and whining in every episode.

Agreed, the writers have gone a little overboard with trying to differentiate Arrow from Flash. They went all in on the serious tone and forgot about the bits of fun that made it so compelling. The last few episodes have started to get me back into it though.

If they can make Ra's and the league compelling in the final stretch I can really get behind this season.

I also felt that Slade was hyped up waaay to much for the role they had him play. Most of it was flashbacks, which I loved, but I wanted to see a longer 3-way fight on Lian Yu. Oh well, till next time.

Here is my full review of The Return:
http://otlnews.net/2015/02/19/arrow-review-s3-ep-14-the-return/

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

Roy should have been in the Flashback.....he could have a small cameo being part of the party

 

[Ted]

Haha perhaps, but it seems like every time a woman gets interested in Oliver, something bad happens to them afterwards..lol

Hooks up with Laurel....ends with her losing her sister, Sara, for 6 Years.

Hooks up with Sara...ends up being forced to work as a torturer on the AMAZO

Hooks up with Shado....ends up being executed later on

Hooks up with Helena...ends up going on a killing spree against her father's regime

Hooks up with Officer McKenna....she suffers a life threatening injury that forces her to undergo several months of rehab/physical therapy

Hooks up with Laurel again....Laurel loses Tommy

Hooks up with Isabel...well she was the one exception, since she was already crazy.lol

Hooks up with Sara, again....she rejoins the LOA afterwards and is killed by his sister

Goes on a date with Felicity....the latter ends up being knocked unconscious after barely surviving an explosion in close proximity

Cupid goes crazy for Oliver...the latter sends her to work in the Suicide Squad for Waller

Iris reveals that she has a crush on Oliver....The Flash attacks her boyfriend, in front of her, the night after

You know, the amount of girls Oliver have been with, I hate the fact that in the crossover episode, he was telling Barry to forget about Iris, cause guys like them don't get the girls, while he goes around and date every single girl on the show.

 

[zenith16]

Roy should have been in the Flashback.....he could have a small cameo being part of the party

what was shown was fine be side that wouldn't have made sense. Beside who knows what he was doing on the streets back then. beside that it takes some certain amount of cash to have fake id's even the really bad ones

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

what was shown was fine be side that wouldn't have made sense. Beside who knows what he was doing on the streets back then. beside that it takes some certain amount of cash to have fake id's even the really bad ones

of all the regulars Roy is the lone wolf with no flashback yet......I sure he will get one eventually. I guess they just could fit some kind of scene with Roy that would make sense

 

[zenith16]

of all the regulars Roy is the lone wolf with no flashback yet......I sure he will get one eventually. I guess they just could fit some kind of scene with Roy that would make sense

the have stuff to play with from the comic's be side which they can make contemporary with what they should play with about him being from the streets as well if they don't do anything with him soon.... they better start with his relation to the guardian & Vandal Savage hell the latter would be a good way to take out Ras since it's been hinted that they know each together in both the comic & animated series, cause both have lived long.

just have them have a falling out. maybe due to this versions Ras laziness.

But yeah they better give Roy more of a back story soon.

 

[Human Torch]

Roy should have been in the Flashback.....he could have a small cameo being part of the party

They could've had Roy pretend he belonged at the party and picked Andy Diggle's pocket before leaving.

 

[Herolee10]

They could've had Roy pretend he belonged at the party and picked Andy Diggle's pocket before leaving.

Heck, we should have had him not only present at the party, but trying to impress the women there with his back flips.lol

 

[Seb]

I mostly liked this episode.

Problems (mostly already mentioned):
Escaping from the cell with convenient button.
Reminding us exactly why we used to love Felicity.
Slade not changing at all.

Notes/replies for comments above:
Slade knew that Ivo killed Shado, and that Oliver tried to save both her and Sara, he's just insane (shouldn't be anymore, but whatever, maybe he was mirakurued too long for his sanity to return).
I wonder if they introduced Diggle's brother because he is not dead. The show has a history of people not dying the first time they get killed.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Good episode. Not great, but good. If all of season 3 had been like this it would be fine.

 

[Tv's Phil]

The episode was...fine.
It seemed to be all written just for the Thea/Sara reveal.
And having Slade back was cool but seemed unnecessary.
Like a lot of this season, there's plenty of...stuff...happening ranging from good to seemingly unnecessary but the direction it's heading is unclear.
I'm really betting on the payoff in the last episodes... hopefully... but I've mentioned it before, the result of who the big bad guy is being unclear because their presence isn't really felt is viewers scratching their head and feeling like progress isn't being made. It's one thing to have multiple possible big bads but who it really is is being kept vague. That's not really what's happening because their words say Ras. It could be a giant misdirect where really the finale ends up being focused on Merlyn's past attempts at controlling Team Arrow/Thea and Oliver facing him.
It's not like I'm expecting Ras to be defeated in any real way.

All I'm saying is I'm hoping for the Arrow payoff. Everything locks into place and the stakes get higher. Because they don't really want to lose fans like myself who are generally happy with the show and aren't shippers. We accept the clumsy stuff because we like the characters, action, overarching plots and standalones. You lose those fans and you lose those who were into it even in season 1.

Ideally, this season is all crucible for Oliver to become the Green Arrow.

You know, the amount of girls Oliver have been with, I hate the fact that in the crossover episode, he was telling Barry to forget about Iris, cause guys like them don't get the girls, while he goes around and date every single girl on the show.

Well to be fair it's not like any of them resulted in either a continually existing relationship or them surviving.
It's just advice from experience.
One of those superhero things where they claim they don't want to put their loved ones in danger but still attempt to have relationships because they're people.
Objectively, it's smarter for them to avoid relationships and just fight crime. But they have emotions so...that can't last.

 

[Danielle13]

I liked the episode, finally Thea knows the truth and can see Malcom as the mad monster he is, I loved her speech to him, he deserves it, that is what you get for using your daughter to kill a member of the League to force her brother to fight Ra's in order to save her life. Seriously, Malcom's logic is so twisted, is hard to call it logic.

The best part of the episode for me was the flashback, the plot was good, I enjoyed the hood and grease paint reference, not the vigilante one, that one felt forced, and seeing past versions of the characters was nice. The Diggle cameo was nice, it didn't take long and was used to remind us of his brother, but the Felicity scene was completely unneccessary, that time should have been dedicated to present Slade. It was cool to see flashback Oliver like season 1 Oliver, specially as a contrast to present Oliver, who has got back a lot of his humanity, his face while Thea was threatening Slade with the gun shows how far he has become.


Shrieve is full of s***, the whole "we have to debrief you in China" makes zero sense and Oliver knows it, I feel like he said yes because he knows they will make him go wether he wants to or not.

 

[zenith16]

I mostly liked this episode.

Problems (mostly already mentioned):
Escaping from the cell with convenient button.
Reminding us exactly why we used to love Felicity.
Slade not changing at all.

Notes/replies for comments above:
Slade knew that Ivo killed Shado, and that Oliver tried to save both her and Sara, he's just insane (shouldn't be anymore, but whatever, maybe he was mirakurued too long for his sanity to return).
I wonder if they introduced Diggle's brother because he is not dead. The show has a history of people not dying the first time they get killed.

I don't know man ollie always has this really bad habit of always going quiet or want to keep one extra secret or 3 more unnecessary ones like what he told thea at their apartment about telling Laural what Malcolm made thea do and there's still video that will go out on the web that thea killed sara in the first place, if Malcolm dies. Which will have Nyssa after thea all over again which ollie is holding back from thea her self.

which is why I said all the secrets aren't all out as half the others here who have posted that said so in this thread. I remember during the time sara talked to him while she was in the lair about slade still on knowing oly about certain parts not everything which is what he may be sensing when Ollie shut down like he does he did that same thing with thea couple of times.


he's always holding something from some one which bites him bad later. cause they can sense it.

It's the way he goes silent that gives him away too. they know when he's lying or holding something back at times. it's his bad twitch or his Growing Pinocchio noise when he does that . which was why thea was drilled about sara so much on the island.

 

[Human Torch]

I was also left wondering what becomes of Masao now that Ollie's going back to China? Is Waller "giving him" to the General too? It's just that Ollie seemed to know what happened to their son (at least he never asked about him) so, I'm guessing he and Masao remain partners at least until their son dies.


Another interesting note: Roger Queen also left a message for Thea,that Ollie presumably didn't have time to download. I wonder when that might come into play....

 

[Herolee10]

I was also left wondering what becomes of Masao now that Ollie's going back to China? Is Waller "giving him" to the General too? It's just that Ollie seemed to know what happened to their son (at least he never asked about him) so, I'm guessing he and Masao remain partners at least until their son dies.

Well, we did see China White giving orders on the phone for her people to find Masao's family and kill them in order to get back at him for constantly interfering with her work...so for all we know, her son could already be dead by the time he reunites with them.

You gotta admit, whether it's intentional or not...Oliver really does come off as a curse magnet for a lot of people in this show.

Any woman that falls for him...or even has a thing for him....ends up suffering a bad experience, or death itself...as a result.

And anyone that sheltered or befriended him during his 5 year exile end up either dying or suffering great amounts of emotional agony.

 

[Danielle13]

What about Oliver's friend from the russian mob? he seems to be happy and well

 

[Herolee10]

What about Oliver's friend from the russian mob? he seems to be happy and well

That's because he had the good sense to leave Oliver as soon as the first opportunity arose

 

[Danielle13]

That's because he had the good sense to leave Oliver as soon as the first opportunity arose

Yeah, that's probably true. So, the secret to being a friend of flashback Oliver and staying alive and well is to stay as far as possible from him and drinking lots of vodka. Sounds like a plan.