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It was a good episode, I think I enjoyed it more then the premier and that ending was very good, two for two on the cliff hangers.
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Does everybody on this show turn into a martial arts expert with just a few training montages/scenes?
Cause after Thea, you know Laurel is next... cue her training montage and soon she too will be a martial arts expert.
I fully expect Barry Allen to be trained by Oliver in a cross-over episode and after one training montage he too will be an expert.
Also, what is everyone's obsession with bow and arrows? They have never successfully explained it on this show. When Oliver was on the island, it made sense he had to create a weapon out of the resources he had there so he made a bow and arrow... but as for all of these villains, what is the deal with everyone using a bow/arrows? lol
You would think at some point Oliver, or more likely Felicity, would say "Jesus, another bow and arrow guy???"
Other than those odd thoughts of mine, GREAT EPISODE. I LOVED IT.
Loved the fight scenes.
Cause after Thea, you know Laurel is next... cue her training montage and soon she too will be a martial arts expert.
I fully expect Barry Allen to be trained by Oliver in a cross-over episode and after one training montage he too will be an expert.
Also, what is everyone's obsession with bow and arrows? They have never successfully explained it on this show. When Oliver was on the island, it made sense he had to create a weapon out of the resources he had there so he made a bow and arrow... but as for all of these villains, what is the deal with everyone using a bow/arrows? lol
You would think at some point Oliver, or more likely Felicity, would say "Jesus, another bow and arrow guy???"
Other than those odd thoughts of mine, GREAT EPISODE. I LOVED IT.
Loved the fight scenes.
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Man, those last five minutes... 
I nearly lost it with Felicity and the handful of dirt. And when Diggle said what the baby's name was going to be.
Great episode.
I nearly lost it with Felicity and the handful of dirt. And when Diggle said what the baby's name was going to be.
Great episode.
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Dat ending just wrecked my feels...
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Eh.....
Suffice to say they haven't sold me anything yet.
It looks like this is going to be a continuing potboiler for the majority of the season.Big mistake not getting us anywhere with the plot.It's just gonna hang over the season like a gloomy cloud.Not letting Lance know what happened also wasn't a great idea,but they obviously couldn't let him know,when they intend to put that storyline on the back burner for the foreseeable future.
I couldn't buy Ollie's sphinx-like demeanor.I mean,I knew they were going to have him as the stoic hero.It's not like he was going to go to pieces,but his reactions lacked anything to empathize with.Give me something to work with.Anger,pain, regret-anything!
The scene with Ollie & Felicity came across as more Olicity pandering to me. Just didn't feel earned.
The part with Laurel interrogating the guy in the hospital was borderline ridiculous.
The flashback was a huge waste.I love seeing Tommy back.Not sure I buy him,as the character he was in the first season,going on a jaunt to Hong Kong to look for Ollie.They have to do something to make this season's FB's worthwhile.They haven't as of yet.
The action was pretty sweet.Liked the motercycle duel and the fight between Komodo,Arrow and his As Yet Unnamed Sidekick.
The dialogue was pretty bad at times."You took the bullets out?!?"It could've sounded a bit more natural if it was mentioned in passing the following scene.
Anyway,I hope they focus on Thea more this season to get the bad taste of this particular storyline out.
Suffice to say they haven't sold me anything yet.
It looks like this is going to be a continuing potboiler for the majority of the season.Big mistake not getting us anywhere with the plot.It's just gonna hang over the season like a gloomy cloud.Not letting Lance know what happened also wasn't a great idea,but they obviously couldn't let him know,when they intend to put that storyline on the back burner for the foreseeable future.
I couldn't buy Ollie's sphinx-like demeanor.I mean,I knew they were going to have him as the stoic hero.It's not like he was going to go to pieces,but his reactions lacked anything to empathize with.Give me something to work with.Anger,pain, regret-anything!
The scene with Ollie & Felicity came across as more Olicity pandering to me. Just didn't feel earned.
The part with Laurel interrogating the guy in the hospital was borderline ridiculous.
The flashback was a huge waste.I love seeing Tommy back.Not sure I buy him,as the character he was in the first season,going on a jaunt to Hong Kong to look for Ollie.They have to do something to make this season's FB's worthwhile.They haven't as of yet.
The action was pretty sweet.Liked the motercycle duel and the fight between Komodo,Arrow and his As Yet Unnamed Sidekick.
The dialogue was pretty bad at times."You took the bullets out?!?"It could've sounded a bit more natural if it was mentioned in passing the following scene.
Anyway,I hope they focus on Thea more this season to get the bad taste of this particular storyline out.
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just tell me Roy has more dialogue and more scenes.....
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This episode?Yeah,slightly.
I liked the way he was expecting Ollie to take his head off after he gave him the letter.And Ollie was just like "...Ok."
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A good episode in my opinion, lots of great character scenes.
Here's my review if you wish to read:
http://www.followingthenerd.com/tv/tv-reviews-ftn-reviews-arrow-season-3-episode-2-sara/
Here's my review if you wish to read:
http://www.followingthenerd.com/tv/tv-reviews-ftn-reviews-arrow-season-3-episode-2-sara/
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DC Comics Easter Eggs and References in Arrow episode 2 "Sara."
http://comicbook.com/2014/10/16/arrow-easter-eggs-and-dc-comics-references-in-sara/
http://comicbook.com/2014/10/16/arrow-easter-eggs-and-dc-comics-references-in-sara/
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Loved it! I enjoyed the various character scenes as they tried to cope with Sara's death and the action was top notch, I loved the shot through the glass panes that Komodo took the second guy out with and the bike duel between Arrow and Komodo was one of the coolest sequences the show has done.
A bit of coincidence that an assassin archer shows up in Starling at the exact same time and archer takes out Sara, but I wonder if she was there to stop Komodo for the LOA. Ollie was also clearly out of touch with how many top archers there are out there.
I liked the scene with Ollie and Tommy in the flashback, I hope Waller's purpose for using Ollie in Hong Kong gets a clearer focus soon.
The final shot with Thea was great, really looking forward to her arc this season.
A bit of coincidence that an assassin archer shows up in Starling at the exact same time and archer takes out Sara, but I wonder if she was there to stop Komodo for the LOA. Ollie was also clearly out of touch with how many top archers there are out there.
I liked the scene with Ollie and Tommy in the flashback, I hope Waller's purpose for using Ollie in Hong Kong gets a clearer focus soon.
The final shot with Thea was great, really looking forward to her arc this season.
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You would think that when guys like Malcolm and Oliver can literally catch arrows people might realise why it is an obsolete weapon, especially if the goal is to specifically kill as it is for people other than Ollie and Roy.
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Well to be fair, Thea has had five months (off-screen) to train like Roy has had, and when you have a intense instructor like Malcom...5 months can do wonders for a person...so I find it somewhat believable.
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My review (cross-posted):
With this episode, the people behind Arrow have officially created one of the best examples of how to handle death and grief on an 'action drama' since Joss Whedon did it twice with "The Body" and "The Gift" during the 5th season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, taking the pathos of the former and fusing it with the frenetic action of the latter to create a phenomenal package that is far and away the best episode this series has produced to date.
From the official opening scene of the episode - where we see Sara's death again - to the last shot of Thea Queen-Merlyn training, the writers of tonight's episode were firing on all cylinders, giving practically every single one of the major characters something meaningful to do and showing just how deeply Sara was connected to most of them. We also got some nice developments for Oliver, Laurel, and Felicity that not only followed up on their individual stories from "The Calm", but also set the table for future storylines.
Laurel's reaction to her sister's senseless death really helped put her on the path towards eventually taking up Sara's legacy as the (Black) Canary, and also helped teach her the lesson that acting out of rage is always going to lead to problems even if you think it'll help. The only thing I didn't like about her involvement in this episode is that she chickened out of telling her dad about Sara's death. That's only going to lead to (unnecessary) angst, and I'm not sure that's an angle they need to be taking. I did like the montage bit of her at the end of the episode holding that stuffed shark and then lifting up Sara's black leather jacket, especially because the latter action serves as a nice piece of foreshadowing for where her story is eventually going to be heading.
Felicity and Oliver had some nice moments in this episode, with Felicity really earning her archetypal status as Oliver's "female confidante", what with her taking Oliver to task for seemingly being all stoic and hard when she felt that the best - and most appropriate - response to Sara's murder was to grieve. I also like that her reaction to Oliver's declaration that he can't let himself grieve was to move on and accept Ray Palmer's job offer, although I'm not sure it's going to turn out well in the end for either her, Ray, or Oliver.
I really liked Komodo as an 'antagonist of the week', and would like to see more of him. His fights with Oliver were really well-choreographed, particularly the motorcycle 'joust'. I would've liked to have found out who hired him, but sometimes a little bit of mystery is good.
I spent most of the episode wondering how John Barroman's Malcolm Merlyn was going to make his presence known, and the final scene was a great (re)introduction for both him and Willa Holland's Thea, particularly since it opens a lot of different story possibilities since she seems to have fully embraced her relationship with him, something that you can bet he's going to take full advantage of.
When I found out that Colin Donnell was going to be showing up in a flashback to Oliver's time in Hong Kong, I found myself more than a bit concerned as to how they were going to make it work without irreparably compromising the integrity of previous events, and I'm happy to say that they handled that particular subplot perfectly, with Oliver demonstrating some of the subterfuge and misdirection tactics that he used to great effect during Season 1.
Even if the producers hadn't said that Sara's death was going to serve as a catalyst for Diggle rejoining Team Arrow, it's something that that seems like it would've been inevitable just because Diggle really isn't the kind of character who could remain on the sidelines for very long even if he and Oliver both thought it was prudent for him to do so.
It was a really nice gesture of Diggle to tell Laurel that he and Lyla were naming their daughter after Sara, and that scene of him watching her in her crib added even more poignancy to what was already a really poignant episode, so kudos to the writers for that.
I liked that Roy was worried that Oliver was going to be pissed off at him for not sharing the note he had from Thea, and it was a nice bit of characterization for Oliver that his only response was a muted 'Okay'. I'm really interested in seeing what Oliver (and possibly Roy) is going to do when he finds Thea next week), and whether or not it'll come out what she's really doing.
Sara's funeral scene was one of the most moving things I've seen on TV in a long while, and was perfectly handled. I do kind of wish we'd seen Diggle, Roy, and Laurel follow Felicity and Oliver's lead in tossing dirt onto her re-opened grave, but it was probably 'too much' for them to process.
I'm giving this thing an enthusiastic 10 out of 10, and can't wait to see what the fallout from tonight's events is going to be both in next week's episode and in weeks to come.
With this episode, the people behind Arrow have officially created one of the best examples of how to handle death and grief on an 'action drama' since Joss Whedon did it twice with "The Body" and "The Gift" during the 5th season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, taking the pathos of the former and fusing it with the frenetic action of the latter to create a phenomenal package that is far and away the best episode this series has produced to date.
From the official opening scene of the episode - where we see Sara's death again - to the last shot of Thea Queen-Merlyn training, the writers of tonight's episode were firing on all cylinders, giving practically every single one of the major characters something meaningful to do and showing just how deeply Sara was connected to most of them. We also got some nice developments for Oliver, Laurel, and Felicity that not only followed up on their individual stories from "The Calm", but also set the table for future storylines.
Laurel's reaction to her sister's senseless death really helped put her on the path towards eventually taking up Sara's legacy as the (Black) Canary, and also helped teach her the lesson that acting out of rage is always going to lead to problems even if you think it'll help. The only thing I didn't like about her involvement in this episode is that she chickened out of telling her dad about Sara's death. That's only going to lead to (unnecessary) angst, and I'm not sure that's an angle they need to be taking. I did like the montage bit of her at the end of the episode holding that stuffed shark and then lifting up Sara's black leather jacket, especially because the latter action serves as a nice piece of foreshadowing for where her story is eventually going to be heading.
Felicity and Oliver had some nice moments in this episode, with Felicity really earning her archetypal status as Oliver's "female confidante", what with her taking Oliver to task for seemingly being all stoic and hard when she felt that the best - and most appropriate - response to Sara's murder was to grieve. I also like that her reaction to Oliver's declaration that he can't let himself grieve was to move on and accept Ray Palmer's job offer, although I'm not sure it's going to turn out well in the end for either her, Ray, or Oliver.
I really liked Komodo as an 'antagonist of the week', and would like to see more of him. His fights with Oliver were really well-choreographed, particularly the motorcycle 'joust'. I would've liked to have found out who hired him, but sometimes a little bit of mystery is good.
I spent most of the episode wondering how John Barroman's Malcolm Merlyn was going to make his presence known, and the final scene was a great (re)introduction for both him and Willa Holland's Thea, particularly since it opens a lot of different story possibilities since she seems to have fully embraced her relationship with him, something that you can bet he's going to take full advantage of.
When I found out that Colin Donnell was going to be showing up in a flashback to Oliver's time in Hong Kong, I found myself more than a bit concerned as to how they were going to make it work without irreparably compromising the integrity of previous events, and I'm happy to say that they handled that particular subplot perfectly, with Oliver demonstrating some of the subterfuge and misdirection tactics that he used to great effect during Season 1.
Even if the producers hadn't said that Sara's death was going to serve as a catalyst for Diggle rejoining Team Arrow, it's something that that seems like it would've been inevitable just because Diggle really isn't the kind of character who could remain on the sidelines for very long even if he and Oliver both thought it was prudent for him to do so.
It was a really nice gesture of Diggle to tell Laurel that he and Lyla were naming their daughter after Sara, and that scene of him watching her in her crib added even more poignancy to what was already a really poignant episode, so kudos to the writers for that.
I liked that Roy was worried that Oliver was going to be pissed off at him for not sharing the note he had from Thea, and it was a nice bit of characterization for Oliver that his only response was a muted 'Okay'. I'm really interested in seeing what Oliver (and possibly Roy) is going to do when he finds Thea next week), and whether or not it'll come out what she's really doing.
Sara's funeral scene was one of the most moving things I've seen on TV in a long while, and was perfectly handled. I do kind of wish we'd seen Diggle, Roy, and Laurel follow Felicity and Oliver's lead in tossing dirt onto her re-opened grave, but it was probably 'too much' for them to process.
I'm giving this thing an enthusiastic 10 out of 10, and can't wait to see what the fallout from tonight's events is going to be both in next week's episode and in weeks to come.
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I super loved this...
This is why I love Arrow; when they show the ramifications and normal daily lives of crime-fighters and heroes. Seeing the effect and emotional heartache of Team Arrow was nice, and very human. Not your typical scorch the earth take comic tv shows/movies go with.
"If I grieve, nobody else gets to."
All of the Arrow cave scenes were so tragic and beautifully written. Huge props to this show for conquering that.
Komodo subplot was solid, didn't like the whole Palmer stuff but Routh is rocking as him so it's ok. Flashbacks were not great by any means but a nice nod to the past and the world this show has built.
This is why I love Arrow; when they show the ramifications and normal daily lives of crime-fighters and heroes. Seeing the effect and emotional heartache of Team Arrow was nice, and very human. Not your typical scorch the earth take comic tv shows/movies go with.
"If I grieve, nobody else gets to."
All of the Arrow cave scenes were so tragic and beautifully written. Huge props to this show for conquering that.
Komodo subplot was solid, didn't like the whole Palmer stuff but Routh is rocking as him so it's ok. Flashbacks were not great by any means but a nice nod to the past and the world this show has built.
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While it wasn't intentional, considering recent events regarding ISIS Terrorists and their execution videos, I feel like the whole scene with Oliver (dressed the way that he was) interrogating Tommy was somewhat in bad taste.
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