The Amazing Spider-Man ASM: Stuff You Didn't Like Thread

[Stringer]

Well, it's not like Captain Stacy is going to know if he kept his promise or not. And while I understand Stacy's feeling on the matter, it's not really his call to make. Does dying really give you the right to suddenly guilt people into doing whatever you want? (Hmmm... I think I'm going to write down a list of wacky requests to use on my death bed.)

So wanting to protect his only daughter from super-villainy torture or death is a wacky request now?

 

[Jexx]

Well, Gwen and Peter ARE falling in love?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well, Gwen and Peter ARE falling in love?

Yes, but death changes things. I think from a dramatic standpoint, her turning away from Peter because her father died and he is in danger of getting himself killed is a much more interesting place to go in a franchise. It makes the pursuit of a relationship more interesting. The fact she just wants that doesn't add as much drama. It just rushes the conclusion, and doesn't make as much sense.

 

[Jexx]

Yea, that would of been a cool twist, but I think it works this way as well.

 

[combocaz]

What bugged me was spidey revealing himself as peter parker to almost everyone.

 

[roach]

The only person in the movie at the end who didn't know he was Spidey was May

 

[Thundercrack85]

Who else is there? This movie is a little short on characters.

The only people who know his real identity are Gwen, Connors, and Norman.

That's really not that many people. Especially given what will probably happen to Gwen...

 

[AF3619]

Who else is there? This movie is a little short on characters.

The only people who know his real identity are Gwen, Connors, and Norman.

That's really not that many people. Especially given what will probably happen to Gwen...

and George Stacy, the kid in the car haha and posibly Aunt May

 

[Leenie]

Yes, but death changes things. I think from a dramatic standpoint, her turning away from Peter because her father died and he is in danger of getting himself killed is a much more interesting place to go in a franchise. It makes the pursuit of a relationship more interesting. The fact she just wants that doesn't add as much drama. It just rushes the conclusion, and doesn't make as much sense.

Agreed entirely. They teased/brought up how Gwen has always been worried about her father ... But there was nothing done about it. One quick mention, and that was it. After Captain Stacy died, I felt that Gwen was more focused on keeping Peter as a boyfriend than her dead father. That felt so sloppy to me.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed entirely. They teased/brought up how Gwen has always been worried about her father ... But there was nothing done about it. One quick mention, and that was it. After Captain Stacy died, I felt that Gwen was more focused on keeping Peter as a boyfriend than her dead father. That felt so sloppy to me.

Agreed. When building a continuing franchise or TV show, you need drama. This film instead turns down potential drama in favor of resolution, and that is poor plannin and the manner they did it was sloppy.

 

[Leenie]

The only person in the movie at the end who didn't know he was Spidey was May

I feel that even May knows ... I think she was smart enough to put two and two together.

 

[stillanerd]

Yes, but death changes things. I think from a dramatic standpoint, her turning away from Peter because her father died and he is in danger of getting himself killed is a much more interesting place to go in a franchise. It makes the pursuit of a relationship more interesting. The fact she just wants that doesn't add as much drama. It just rushes the conclusion, and doesn't make as much sense.

Very good point. It's even evident in the film that Gwen, when she's telling Peter about how stopping the Lizard "is not his job" or when she confesses that her biggest fear has been her dad being killed in the line of duty, doesn't want Peter to get himself killed. That right there should provide tension in their relationship and you would think this would have been brought up towards the end when Gwen comes to Peter's house. But nope, like any potential obstacle to their romance in this movie, it gets pushed aside.

 

[MilkmanDan]

So wanting to protect his only daughter from super-villainy torture or death is a wacky request now?

Did you miss the part where I said I symphatice with Captain Stacy's feelings about his daughter dating Spider-Man? What I meant was that, apart from being a bit of hypocrite about combining adangerous job with a love life, he's making long-term decisions for his practically adult daughter when he really has no right to do so. And he's taking an advantage of the fact that you really can't argue with someone who's dying.

The fact that my children and grand-children will be wearing nothing but polka dot after my death was a completely separate point.

 

[Stringer]

Did you miss the part where I said I symphatice with Captain Stacy's feelings about his daughter dating Spider-Man? What I meant was that, apart from being a bit of hypocrite about combining adangerous job with a love life, he's making long-term decisions for his practically adult daughter when he really has no right to do so. And he's taking an advantage of the fact that you really can't argue with someone who's dying.

The fact that my children and grand-children will be wearing nothing but polka dot after my death was a completely separate point.

I'm sure Capt Stacy would have told Peter the same thing if he was immortal as well. I don't think there was anything manipulative about his request

 

[MilkmanDan]

True, but Peter should not be expected to keep to his word when he gave his "promise" in situation where it's basically impossible to say "no" to a person. I feel for Captain Stacy, but if his wife could agree to going out with and marrying a cop, his daughter can date a superhero. It's not a decision he can make for Gwen or Peter.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Agreed. When building a continuing franchise or TV show, you need drama. This film instead turns down potential drama in favor of resolution, and that is poor plannin and the manner they did it was sloppy.

Yes, but death changes things. I think from a dramatic standpoint, her turning away from Peter because her father died and he is in danger of getting himself killed is a much more interesting place to go in a franchise. It makes the pursuit of a relationship more interesting. The fact she just wants that doesn't add as much drama. It just rushes the conclusion, and doesn't make as much sense.

How do you know Gwen won't change her tune in the sequel after constantly worrying about Peter going out and fighting? People change, especially teenagers. Just because she said one thing in this movie doesn't mean she'll continue to think like that. And what about Peter breaking his promise to Capt. Stacy? He's going to feel so guilty when Gwen dies because of that. Give it time, it'll pay off.

If we just went by first movies exclusively then we would've been enraged that Peter didn't end up with MJ at the end of the first Spider-Man. Little would we know, that they actually do get together in Spider-Man 2... Because Peter changed his mind about what he needed.

 

[chaseter]

It was just a dumb scene to make the movie end on a happy go lucky romance note. The end of SM1 was more powerful for not doing just that and it completed Peter's arc of responsibility in one movie. This felt like X3 where all the major character arcs in the movie were upended for ****ish sequel bait and that feel good ending. Oh Xavier is alive!? Oh Magneto has his powers back!? What was the point of Xavier dying and Magneto losing his powers if 30 minutes later it's upended? Sloppy writing.

 

[Nathan]

I think it doesn't reflect well on Peter that right after Gwen loses her father for doing a similar line of work and makes that promise, he breaks it. I also think it is poor writing that she would want to date him that much after her father died. She earlier said she was hesitant for that very reason. Capt. Stacy's death should have made her feel more strongly questionnable on dating Peter. Not immediately want him. Should have been more conflict. The promise was a good idea, but the ending handles that death in a messy fashion afterward.

I think it makes sense that Gwen wants to stay with Peter, because of the very reason that her father died. A person very dear to her is gone, and now more than ever she tries to keep the people she loves close to her. To fill that void that's now in her heart.

I can easily see her in the sequel, realizing that she just can't do it after all. She loves him, but the constant worrying just makes her a mental wreck, and eventually she'd lose him just like her father.

 

[Spider-Fan]

How do you know Gwen won't change her tune in the sequel after constantly worrying about Peter going out and fighting? People change, especially teenagers. Just because she said one thing in this movie doesn't mean she'll continue to think like that. And what about Peter breaking his promise to Capt. Stacy? He's going to feel so guilty when Gwen dies because of that. Give it time, it'll pay off.

If we just went by first movies exclusively then we would've been enraged that Peter didn't end up with MJ at the end of the first Spider-Man. Little would we know, that they actually do get together in Spider-Man 2... Because Peter changed his mind about what he needed.

Making a total 180 on this for the sequel would just be more bad writing than ignoring it in the first place was. They hinted at it, and then let it go nowhere. The writing in this movie was very uneven.

I think it makes sense that Gwen wants to stay with Peter, because of the very reason that her father died. A person very dear to her is gone, and now more than ever she tries to keep the people she loves close to her. To fill that void that's now in her heart.

I can easily see her in the sequel, realizing that she just can't do it after all. She loves him, but the constant worrying just makes her a mental wreck, and eventually she'd lose him just like her father.

Normally, people avoid things that hurt us most. Her father died in the line of duty. Basic psychology says avoidance is more likely as a response. It's also far more interesting from a writing perspective.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Making a total 180 on this for the sequel would just be more bad writing than ignoring it in the first place was. They hinted at it, and then let it go nowhere. The writing in this movie was very uneven.

Not really, as I said earlier people change the decisions they make all of the time. I even provided proof from the Raimi's trilogy.

 

[ALP]

3. While I appreciate the film including the mechanical web-shooters, if you really think about it, they make even LESS sense in the context of this film compared to the organic ones from the Raimi films. Because while Peter builds the shooters, he does NOT invent the web fluid. It comes from the same genetically-altered spiders that gave Peter his powers. Which means the moment Oscorp ever decides to shut down production of their "experimental cable," Peter's pretty much screwed. And how the heck did he even get all those cartridges IN BULK from Oscorp? Did he steal them? Purchase them online? If that's the case, can anybody buy this stuff on the market? And where did Peter get the money to buy it? And wouldn't Oscorp notice such a large batch of their experimental fluid unaccounted for or purchased? Not to mention some guy in spandex swinging around calling himself Spider-Man using what is obviously their spider-silk. And if the spiders are still genetically altered and capable of producing super-strong silk, why wouldn't Peter develop those powers too?

This one I totally agree with and also brought up. The mechanical webshooter was a service to the comics but the film didn't handle it well. First off, it adds almost nothing to his character because he didn't create the web, only a devise to make it shoot out of. So he will regularly have to steal it from oscorp and they will realize someone is stealing their supply. Can't they just look at their security cameras?

But mostly, like you said, the web in this movie IS organic... it is woven by the genetically altered spiders. So if the spider that bit him could create this steel-like web, why can't Peter if he inherited its powers?

It feels to me like the filmmakers wanted to be closer to the comics but knew a kid creating super-strong silk on his own was too implausible so he just creates the shooters. Most of the reasons that people disliked organics can be placed on this rendition as well. It's closer to the comics, but only in the most superficial reasons. We won't get to see him create different kinds of web tailor made to help him defeat certain villains because he didn't create the web in the first place, he just steals it.

 

[roach]

This one I totally agree with and also brought up. The mechanical webshooter was a service to the comics but the film didn't handle it well. First off, it adds almost nothing to his character because he didn't create the web, only a devise to make it shoot out of. So he will regularly have to steal it from oscorp and they will realize someone is stealing their supply. Can't they just look at their security cameras?

But mostly, like you said, the web in this movie IS organic... it is woven by the genetically altered spiders. So if the spider that bit him could create this steel-like web, why can't Peter if he inherited its powers?

It feels to me like the filmmakers wanted to be closer to the comics but knew a kid creating super-strong silk on his own was too implausible so he just creates the shooters. Most of the reasons that people disliked organics can be placed on this rendition as well. It's closer to the comics, but only in the most superficial reasons. We won't get to see him create different kinds of web tailor made to help him defeat certain villains because he didn't create the web in the first place, he just steals it.

especially since the spider's were bred for this particular purpose...the webbing
which then begs the question...if you genetically engineer a spider to make a special webbing why make them with fangs that can puncture human skin????

 

[El Payaso]

It was just a dumb scene to make the movie end on a happy go lucky romance note. The end of SM1 was more powerful for not doing just that and it completed Peter's arc of responsibility in one movie. This felt like X3 where all the major character arcs in the movie were upended for ****ish sequel bait and that feel good ending. Oh Xavier is alive!? Oh Magneto has his powers back!? What was the point of Xavier dying and Magneto losing his powers if 30 minutes later it's upended? Sloppy writing.

Yes! It's like if MJ kissed Peter, recognized Spider-man's lips right at the end of the movie and then, all of a sudden, she didn't know anything about it in the sequel until Peter unmasks himself. Hey... wait...!

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Yes! It's like if MJ kissed Peter, recognized Spider-man's lips right at the end of the movie and then, all of a sudden, she didn't know anything about it in the sequel until Peter unmasks himself. Hey... wait...!

She doesn't know, she only suspects it and that does carry over to the sequel.

 

[Majmun]

If the spiders were genetically engineered to produce a special type of webbing, why did the spider bite give Peter his powers? It's not like they were radioactive. Next, with so many spiders, someone else could eventually get bitten and also become a Spider-Man persona. It should have been only one spider that had been accidentally involved in an experiment (something to do with radiation or whatever) then that specific spider bites Peter and he squashes it, thereby not allowing any other person to be bitten by it.