The Amazing Spider-Man ASM: Stuff You Didn't Like Thread

[I Am The Knight]

Not this crap again. Raimi overdid the cheese at times, even in the best of his movies, that being SM2. Chinese women singing the Spider-Man theme while Tobey Maguire looks bewildered? Come on.

 

[X Knight]

heh....I liked that scene.....

 

[Thundercrack85]

As someone who never liked the Raimi films (granted, I didn't outright hate them, until three) I get annoyed by people saying it's a recent trend. I was pointing out the flaws of those movies before this movie even got green lighted.

Not to say this movie is perfect (actually has a few problems), but it's a good movie in its own right. Better in most ways. And I just prefer it.

Ironically the scenes in this movie I didn't like, like the one with the crane operator, and all the cranes, seems like it would fit in a Raimi Spider-man film.

 

[Havok83]

I hate how with the release of this movie lots of people are just dismissing the original trilogy and saying how "Cheesy, bad, etc." they were.

People seem to be using Spiderman 3 for comparisons of the whole trilogy. Which isn't fair....

Um no. I just rewatched the entire trilogy within the last 2 weeks with SM1 being the first. I loved it to death when it first came out but watching it now older, I see it for its faults and the move was cheesy with some cringeworthy points. That is my opinion INDEPENDENT on anything from SM3. I readjusted how I felt about all the films. Liked SM1 less than before, liked SM2 more and liked SM3 about the same. That was my conclusion after seeing them again and before viewing ASM

A guy who beats the crap out of weak people for fun isn't going to care when one of them loses an uncle. That's just not believable.

Sounds like you haven't encountered many.

Yes it is. Peter's uncle died. Flash is a human and I find it 100% believable that he'd feel sympathy for the guy. He was a tool, but he wasnt evil. He seemed like one of those guys that put up a big front for attention and so people would percieve him a certain way. I didnt get that he had any actual hate for Peter. He didnt seem to in the beginning during their first encounter. Peter wasnt the object of his bullying. Pete humiliating him probably was a humbling experience teaching him a lesson that hey, maybe I shouldnt mess with him. Alot we dont know about Flash bc he didnt get much characterization but its not too much of a stretch to imagine that perhaps he shares a bit in common with Pete and can relate to him. Maybe he's had someone close to him die as well which made it easier to reach out to him bc he knows what the pain feels like. Who knows? You cant always judge a book by a cover and even the worst bullies can have a heart

 

[amazingfantasy15]

It is cheese. Raimi does cheese and it works because the comics are cheese. Raimi made a comic book movie and he did it splendidly. Avengers is a comic book movie and Whedon did the same. Spider-Man is meant to be light, colorful, fun and exciting...and Raimi nailed it with inspiration from the golden and silver age Spider-Man.

and I like dorky Peter more than jerky Peter.......

I feel the same way, Raimi knew who Peter was, Webb didn't. Peter is/was cheesy and dorky, not some *****ebag who is constantly aruging with people. Or "Edward Cullening" his girlfriend. Seriously what normal person shows up to a first date dinner with the family to the girls bedroom window, how creepy was that!?!?

Nothing is absolute. Most bullies aren’t unrepentant, evil little ****s. They have psychological/emotional issues that cause them to act out. And yes, things CAN cause them to snap out of it, or see that someone is hurting and offer condolences. They may act like jerks, but they’re still human.

In high school, there was a guy who was just a total dick to me. I wouldn’t call him a bully persay, he just didn’t like me for some reason and made sure I knew it on a regular basis. When a family member unexpectedly died of cancer, he laid off and eventually even apologized. We didn’t end up as “friends” but we never had a problems after that. But wait, that’s totally unrealistic, so it must have all been in my head.

After Peter humiliated Flash, Flash saw that Peter was on equal footing – he wasn’t that shy, weird and defenseless kid Flash thought he was. He gained respect for Peter, which allowed him to be more open to seeing Peter’s pain. Remember, this happened in the comics - Flash did become Peter's friend, and in the film, all Flash did was try to apologize (and it sounded like he was even going to sympathize with Peter's grief, which makes it even more understandible).

Peter was shown to be always standing up to Flash, Flash should have seen it as a lucky day or Peter on drugs or something. It shouldn't make Flash think, now Peter's my friend. It took a long time in the comics for that to happen, it took until Flash grew up and matured past high school antics.

and speaking of Flash, since he's a Spidey fan in TASM, don't you think he'd be able to figure out Peter is Spidey, especially after Peter demonstrated some crazy moves when he challenged him on the court.

Ah, all Flash needs to do is show a little more interest in him and this Peter will outright tell him.

 

[Leenie]

I feel the same way, Raimi knew who Peter was, Webb didn't. Peter is/was cheesy and dorky, not some *****ebag who is constantly aruging with people. Or "Edward Cullening" his girlfriend. Seriously what normal person shows up to a first date dinner with the family to the girls bedroom window, how creepy was that!?!?

It was creepy in the movie, HOWEVER, I remember watching a clip from the movie several months ago with Peter trying to get through the front door, but the doorman was being kind of a nazi about it.

Why they cut that part out of the film is beyond me, because without it, Peter is definitely treading on some Edward Cullen territory. So stupid.

 

[Havok83]

It was creepy in the movie, HOWEVER, I remember watching a clip from the movie several months ago with Peter trying to get through the front door, but the doorman was being kind of a nazi about it.

Why they cut that part out of the film is beyond me, because without it, Peter is definitely treading on some Edward Cullen territory. So stupid.

Pete mentions it to Gwen but I had no clue that was even filmed. I hope the BR release contains a directors cut of the film

 

[Leenie]

I have many things that I dislike about this film. In my mind, it's like Watchmen all over again, because I could talk about the things that bothered me all day long (and I could see myself talking about it for years to come) ... But I won't, because that would take too long.

In comparison to how I reacted to Watchmen though, I find The Amazing Spider-Man so frustrating because there are some things in the movie that I liked and was about to get on board with, but then the movie would slap me in the face with something I disliked immediately after. I really wanted to like both movies, but they kept losing me with some very problematic things (in my opinion). Watchmen and TASM: Both very, very different movies that made me react in the same way. Haha.

But anyway, here's the gist of what I have problems with in The Amazing Spider-Man:

-I thought the screenplay was an absolute joke. I think that sums up 90% of the problems I have with this movie without getting into too much detail.

-I felt this was a movie directed by the executives at Sony rather than Marc Webb, because the movie was clearly trying to take from other popular things in pop culture. It was like I could hear the executives in the background talking: "Oooh, the kids like that Dark Knight, so let's make it darker! Oh, and those girls like the Twilight, so let's add some awkward romance and turn Peter into a creepy loner! Oh, and let's not forget the last Spidey movies made money too, so let's add some stuff from them too!" Corporate Hollywood, through and through. Sony had their stamp on Spider-Man 3 when they pushed for Venom (and that was bad enough). I definitely saw their stamp with this movie too.

-I really hate that they told the origin all over again, and I think it was a part of what made the movie feel so muddled. Most people know how Spider-Man became Spider-Man, so how about you start the franchise with Peter already as Spider-Man and then make references/flashbacks of the past? I think the movie would have had much more time for everything else without telling the origin all over again, personally.

 

[SpaceWay2009]

The score could have been better.

I thought we were going to see more of the SWAT Lizard.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Yeah, the whole SWAT thing was dropped. They're born then they return to normal. Like, what did they do? Have donuts time?

 

[Jexx]

I still don't even understand how people saw Peter as a jerk in this movie. :/

 

[chaseter]

I feel the same way, Raimi knew who Peter was, Webb didn't. Peter is/was cheesy and dorky, not some *****ebag who is constantly aruging with people. Or "Edward Cullening" his girlfriend. Seriously what normal person shows up to a first date dinner with the family to the girls bedroom window, how creepy was that!?!?
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**** that made me laugh.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I still don't even understand how people saw Peter as a jerk in this movie. :/

He's more self-absorbed than a jerk. And it's not like they go overboard with it. They even have key moments where he clearly goes out of his way to be a nice guy. Trying to stop Flash from hitting that other guy, saving the kid on the bridge, bringing the eggs for Aunt May, etc.

For the most part, it's just a realistic portrayal of a teenager. I don't get the complaint. Unless people just don't like the way teenagers behave...

 

[chaseter]

Teenagers are the devil.

 

[Nathan]

And didn't the entire self-absorbed behavior start with his dad's briefcase? He was trying to find out what happened to his parents, got to meet his father's old friend and was on the verge of a scientific breakthrough. It's only natural that he lets his responsibilities slide in some other areas, he sees as less important.

 

[stillanerd]

Okay, get ready for my list, most of which all result from the script which seriously needed another re-write:

1. Not a big deal, but I don't think they should have had Peter stand up to Flash prior to getting his powers. Granted, I get why the filmmakers felt it was necessary, but it doesn't make sense in terms of a) Peter's overall character arc from becoming a shy, awkward lonely teen to self-sacrificing superhero and b) it creates a plot hole in the sense that Flash doesn't get the least bit reprimanded by the school for his actions; yet Peter, whose behavior on the basketball court is trivial by comparison, gets sent to the principal's office, forces his Uncle change shifts at work and give him a lecture, AND has to do community service? WTF?!

2. Are we seriously supposed to believe that Peter was able to enter in a top-secret research lab and mess around with the spiders without being detected or alerting any kind of security whatsoever?

3. While I appreciate the film including the mechanical web-shooters, if you really think about it, they make even LESS sense in the context of this film compared to the organic ones from the Raimi films. Because while Peter builds the shooters, he does NOT invent the web fluid. It comes from the same genetically-altered spiders that gave Peter his powers. Which means the moment Oscorp ever decides to shut down production of their "experimental cable," Peter's pretty much screwed. And how the heck did he even get all those cartridges IN BULK from Oscorp? Did he steal them? Purchase them online? If that's the case, can anybody buy this stuff on the market? And where did Peter get the money to buy it? And wouldn't Oscorp notice such a large batch of their experimental fluid unaccounted for or purchased? Not to mention some guy in spandex swinging around calling himself Spider-Man using what is obviously their spider-silk. And if the spiders are still genetically altered and capable of producing super-strong silk, why wouldn't Peter develop those powers too?

4. Thanks to Peter doing a Google search on the internet, he figures out that his parents are dead. Yet, when he arrives home after forgetting to pick up Aunt May and gets into a argument with Uncle Ben, he acts like he still doesn't know what happened to them. And BTW, that was a great scene UNTIL Peter slammed to door and the glass broke. That was not the right time for comedy.

5. The way Uncle Ben's death is handled is completely muddled. Granted, I understand that Peter wants to seek revenge against his Uncle's killer, but you really don't get the sense that he blames himself for what happened--which should be the lesson he takes from his Uncle's death. That's because I think part of the problem lies in the fact that Peter knows the guy he let go was the same one who killed his Uncle BEFORE he was able to confront him. Sorry to those who liked the movie, but Raimi definitely handled Uncle Ben's death much, much better.

6. Sally Fields was very good as Aunt May, but wow! but did she ever get the short end of the stick in this film.

7. I know I complained about the carjacker scene from the special Wal-Mart DVD before by saying it didn't make any sense. Well, having now seen the scene in the film and can thus judge it in its proper context...it STILL doesn't make any sense. Again, how did Spidey get into a locked car before the carjacker? How did he know which car the carjacker would go in? At least Captain Stacy explained that the reason 37 cops were there is because that one carjacker was part of a carjacking ring.

8. Speaking of Captain Stacy, he and the cops know the Lizard has just attacked Midtown High and is rampaging it's way towards the Oscorp building. So why in the world is he wasting so much manpower and expensive Tazer bullets trying to bring down Spider-Man? He poses zero threat at this point in comparison to the 10-foot tall reptile monster causing a "biological attack" on innocent people. Nice priorities he's got there.

9. Once Dr. Connors became the Lizard, he pretty much became a two-dimensional villain. I mean, him going from not wanting to do any kind of human testing to "I'm going to perfect mankind by making them all like me--just like that Magneto guy" simply because he's becomes "crazy" from the Lizard formula is a pretty weak motive.

10. The entire sequence involving the crane operators was, bar none, the most illogical and hokiest scene from all the Spider-Man movies put together. Marc Webb out Raimied Raimi with that moment of pure smaltz and cheese.

11. "Broken promises are the best kind." Wow. Way to send a terrible message to your audience there, movie. Then again, you know very well Peter going back on a dying man's last wish is going to wind up biting him in the ass given what we know what is destined for Gwen.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Exactly. And then he becomes obsessed with finding Uncle Ben's killer. But by the end, he seems to be getting better about it.

 

[AF3619]

He's more self-absorbed than a jerk. And it's not like they go overboard with it. They even have key moments where he clearly goes out of his way to be a nice guy. Trying to stop Flash from hitting that other guy, saving the kid on the bridge, bringing the eggs for Aunt May, etc.

For the most part, it's just a realistic portrayal of a teenager. I don't get the complaint. Unless people just don't like the way teenagers behave...

i agree, but teenagers are sometimes jerks

Teenagers are the devil.

 

[roach]

the more I think about this movie the more flaws I find

 

[AF3619]

the more I think about this movie the more flaws I find

edit

 

[roach]

every movie has flaws even when you don´t see it

wait wha?????

 

[AF3619]

wait wha?????

sorry wrong thread

 

[Leenie]

11. "Broken promises are the best kind." Wow. Way to send a terrible message to your audience there, movie. Then again, you know very well is going back on a dying man's last wish is going to wind up biting Peter in the ass given what we know what is destined for Gwen.

THANK YOU! I'm so glad I'm not the only one that was completely and utterly bothered by this!

I honestly wanted to shout at the screen after hearing that line, because it ticked me off so much. Pete, did you learn NOTHING throughout the movie? Jeez.

 

[AF3619]

THANK YOU! I'm so glad I'm not the only one that was completely and utterly bothered by this!

I honestly wanted to shout at the screen after hearing that line, because it ticked me off so much. Pete, did you learn NOTHING throughout the movie? Jeez.

Well IMHO is a Teenager, and when Stacy makes him promise about leaving Gwen out he tries and fails but again he is a teenager he learns from F****ing things up (probably TASM2) he learns what Capt. Stacy told him that his superhero life endangeres his loved ones

 

[Nathan]

Well, he was going to leave her alone, but you can blame Aunt May for reassuring him that he's a good man. And seriously, he's completely in love with her. It would have been only a matter of time before he broke his promise.